We are an awfully coached team

Hugh Jass said:
How did Molde play under him when they won things?
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You mean the first time? His second spell they won nothing with him for 4 years. I'm not totally sure but one consistent theme in his managerial history has been his side shipping a lot of goals. Over his entire reign with Molde, the side conceded 296 goals over 241 games. At Cardiff, 57 were let in over the 30 matches in charge. Also followed him here too (we have conceded 162 over 142 matches).
 
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Rhyme Animal said:
When an Elite club employ a manager who has only managed at Cardiff and Molde, and failed miserably at one of those, this is as good as it gets tbh.

Surely this is completely obvious though?
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Get ready for the mental gymnastics from the 100s of Ole Iners coming at you (better known as the united versions of Ty)
 
I love Ole and despise the Glazers, but sooner or later they are going to say "We gave you Ronaldo, Maguire, Cavani, Snacho, Bruno, Telles & Verane to go with inheriting Pogba, Shaw, Martial, Rashford and De Gea etc why are you not getting anything out of this team?"

And you know, they'd be well within their right to ask this.
 
jasT1981 said:
I love Ole and despise the Glazers, but sooner or later they are going to say "We gave you Ronaldo, Maguire, Cavani, Snacho, Bruno, Telles & Verane to go with inheriting Pogba, Shaw, Martial, Rashford and De Gea etc why are you not getting anything out of this team?"

And you know, they'd be well within their right to ask this.
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More like we have by far the highest wage budget in the league, what's going on?
 
Don't know why he isn't sacked yet. We aren't getting Top4 , let alone Top2 or title. Such an Incompetent clueless manager. This is what happens when we make decisions emotionally.
 
For once we need to be proactive and not wait until the car wraps itself around a tree before we think about changing the driver
 
NewGlory said:
Not necessarily. Pep hadn't managed an
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bond19821982 said:
Don't know why he isn't sacked yet. We aren't getting Top4 , let alone Top2 or title. Such an Incompetent clueless manager. This is what happens when we make decisions emotionally.
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then we will go and beat Liverpool and everyone will be singing Ole is at the wheel till we meet another mid table club and we lose.
 
Brought in 2 world class players, and 1 with the potential to become one only to look worse than last season.

Ole doesn't know what to do with this squad, we need to make sure someone who knows what they're doing has a crack at it.

Criminal to waste the talent we now have.
 
Individual screw ups cost us yet again today. Nothing to do with coaching. Bruno’s corner was poor, Fred had another brain fart and only Shaw knows why he got sucked in towards the ball. Pretty sure no player was coached to screw up all those moments. Players have to take responsibility too
 
LJJT said:
Individual screw ups cost us yet again today. Nothing to do with coaching. Bruno’s corner was poor, Fred had another brain fart and only Shaw knows why he got sucked in towards the ball. Pretty sure no player was coached to screw up all those moments. Players have to take responsibility too
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And why we can't seem to attack most the time properly or generally be in a proper defensive shape? Everytime a team attacks us it's almost just hope they don't score
 
LJJT said:
Individual screw ups cost us yet again today. Nothing to do with coaching. Bruno’s corner was poor, Fred had another brain fart and only Shaw knows why he got sucked in towards the ball. Pretty sure no player was coached to screw up all those moments. Players have to take responsibility too
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Considering Ole will never be on the field, we can blame the players for everything.
 
LJJT said:
Individual screw ups cost us yet again today. Nothing to do with coaching. Bruno’s corner was poor, Fred had another brain fart and only Shaw knows why he got sucked in towards the ball. Pretty sure no player was coached to screw up all those moments. Players have to take responsibility too
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Ah yes. Nothing to do with the fact that we havent kept a clean sheet for 9 games in a row now, a new record dating back 50 years since it was that bad. Still I guess every time its down to individual mistakes, as opposed to having a competent manager who can set the team up to actually take the game to the opposition and not be too defensive.
 
LARulz said:
And why we can't seem to attack most the time properly or generally be in a proper defensive shape? Everytime a team attacks us it's almost just hope they don't score
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Thought we attacked well, kept them pinned back, kept the ball, made plenty of good chances. We’ve screwed up big time today and discounting the selection debate the issues all came from individual cock ups
 
Foxbatt said:
then we will go and beat Liverpool and everyone will be singing Ole is at the wheel till we meet another mid table club and we lose.
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I really don't think we are going to beat Liverpool, City, or Chelsea this year. That used to be us before, now we are awful across the board.
 
OGS = Frank Lampard. Club needs to re-establish an identity. Brings in a club legend to get things moving in the right direction, buys some very good players. Club legend can't get from B to A. One club lets go of the club legend and wins Champion's league with same players. The other club..........

Sadly Man Utd leadership is not equal to Chelsea leadership.
 
AjaxCunian said:
Considering Ole will never be on the field, we can blame the players for everything.
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Exactly. If loses are caused by individual mistakes and wins caused by individual brilliance, why do clubs bother with managers?
 
stw2022 said:
Exactly. If loses are caused by individual mistakes and wins caused by individual brilliance, why do clubs bother with managers?
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Ole has a nice smile and is good vibes. Worth the 10million per year.
 
I previously disagreed with this thread but it’s gone past that.

Happy to admit I was wrong, does anyone still disagree with this statement? Beyond debate now in my view, may as well close the thread and tick it off @bond19821982 called it well.
 
AjaxCunian said:
Ole has a nice smile and is good vibes. Worth the 10million per year.
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He really isn’t much more than a mascot. No matter how poor we are there’s zero evidence he’s tried to address anything on the training room, tactics or by addressing issues with individual players

We come out next week and play exactly the same with the exact same issues.

Why?
 
LJJT said:
Individual screw ups cost us yet again today. Nothing to do with coaching. Bruno’s corner was poor, Fred had another brain fart and only Shaw knows why he got sucked in towards the ball. Pretty sure no player was coached to screw up all those moments. Players have to take responsibility too
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You genuinely think that being ‘poorly coached’ means they are coached to make mistakes?

All players make mistakes, the best coached sides are set up to cover for each other and be able to mitigate the impact of those mistakes. It is absolutely ‘coaching’ to teach a player how to deal with a counterattack when it looks like we’re going to get caught out.
 
KingCavani said:
Any club with ambition would have him gone tonight, although they probably wouldn’t have him to begin with.

A sad reflection on the state of the club. Show what their priorities are.
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I don't think it's about priorities. You don't spend the money we've spent and sign the players we've signed in order to just target top 4.

I really think that the club is lost. People there are scarred from the tenures of LVG and Mourinho. They brought in Solskjaer, saw the mood improve, saw periods of upwards trajectory and are now hoping and praying for more of it because if they let him go they have no idea who to appoint and who will offer continuancy to what we've built in recent years.
 
LJJT said:
Thought we attacked well, kept them pinned back, kept the ball, made plenty of good chances. We’ve screwed up big time today and discounting the selection debate the issues all came from individual cock ups
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Every match we talk about individual cock ups.
 
LJJT said:
I agree it’s every bloody game. It’s not the coaching it’s players not concentrating and making bad decisions
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And why does it happens so often at United? Because the coaching is bad. Well drilled teams know much more automtically how to decide in certain situations, because they practise them in coaching sessions.

Obviously individual mistakes can and will always happen, but it just happens too much at United and that is a pretty good hint that the players are not well prepared.

I guess I am saying that "patterns of play" are missing.
 
Amir said:
I don't think it's about priorities. You don't spend the money we've spent and sign the players we've signed in order to just target top 4.

I really think that the club is lost. People there are scarred from the tenures of LVG and Mourinho. They brought in Solskjaer, saw the mood improve, saw periods of upwards trajectory and are now hoping and praying for more of it because if they let him go they have no idea who to appoint and who will offer continuancy to what we've built in recent years.
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Yep.

Certain segments of the fanbase still misunderstand what the Glazer offspring are. They're not evil-super-geniuses. They're really really reaaaaallly stupid. Papa Glazer was the smart one.
 
His recent defensive record is atrocious. Whilst a lot of the themes in this thread are related to the lack of attacking patterns of play and rightly so, the way the defence gets dragged out of position over and over again is quite shocking. It’s literally like Ole never learns assuming the players listen to and follow his orders.
 
LJJT said:
I agree it’s every bloody game. It’s not the coaching it’s players not concentrating and making bad decisions
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And you don't think Solskjaer bears any responsibility when these mistakes keep occurring? Would the onus not be on the coaching and his management to reduce the frequency of those mistakes?
 
LJJT said:
I agree it’s every bloody game. It’s not the coaching it’s players not concentrating and making bad decisions
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We have definitely had a load of absolute howlers so far.

It's cost us points already, needs to be nipped in the bud.

We didn't play badly today but again a mistake from Fred this time allows the opposition to score. He cannot allow Gray to outmuscle him there.
 
hungrywing said:
Yep.

Certain segments of the fanbase still misunderstand what the Glazer offspring are. They're not evil-super-geniuses. They're really really reaaaaallly stupid. Papa Glazer was the smart one.
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They’re really not. They just aren’t football people and don’t care about success. It’s all about money.
 
acrebo said:
They’re really not. They just aren’t football people and don’t care about success. It’s all about money.
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I've posted about it before. You can look up where they went to school, how they failed at business, etc.

Yes, the money thing duh. This is not about that.
 
Stringer said:
And you don't think Solskjaer bears any responsibility when these mistakes keep occurring? Would the onus not be on the coaching and his management to reduce the frequency of those mistakes?
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Pretty sure they all know not to be sucked towards the ball, miss place passes, be sloppy, be weak
 
LJJT said:
Pretty sure they all know not to be sucked towards the ball, miss place passes, be sloppy, be weak
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In theory yes of course. But in reality you need to know where the other players are and move to to place your passes well. It starts with simple things that need to be adressed during coaching sessions.
 
LJJT said:
I agree it’s every bloody game. It’s not the coaching it’s players not concentrating and making bad decisions
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Why do clubs bother paying managers 10 million a year if they don't make a difference? Why do the managers insist on players spending hours on the training pitch every day if it doesn't make a difference? Every bad pass, every bad shot, every missed tackle, every run not tracked, every lack of movement, every poor decision is technically down to the players.

This is not a one off. We're getting battered on the counter attack every game. We're not scoring enough, and we're conceding too many. Our xG for the season extrapolated is just 68 goals, and our xGA is an absurdly bad 44 goals.
 
LJJT said:
Thought we attacked well, kept them pinned back, kept the ball, made plenty of good chances. We’ve screwed up big time today and discounting the selection debate the issues all came from individual cock ups
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«Plenty of good chances». Literally not true, we created very little as was the case against Villa. A Cavani-header that was almost impossible to get power on, Pogba’s shot… after that I can’t remember much. Let’s stop pretending a shot on target is automatically a big chance, the keeper is there for a reason.
 
There is a pattern of play. When we play from the back, both of our midfield tend to be in pivot midfield two. And when we play the ball to wide areas, we often create square link with 4 players and that’s where one of the midfield drifts wide. For example on the right flank, we often have McTominay, Bissaka, Greenwood, and Bruno linking together in square while Fred will stay in the middle. If we switch the ball to left side while Bruno is still on the right then either Cavani joins in to make 4 square link or we just do triangle with Fred, Shaw, Martial, while McTominay will drift to middle as well as Bruno. There are various reasons why we are doing this and one of them is to create space so if we focus on the right, it opens space for the left flanks or others.

The big issue is obviously the lack of technical player in the team. Players like Bruno and Greenwood can play quick one touch football but not for McTominay, Fred and Bissaka to do on consistent basis. As a result, when they try to play one touch football, we end up giving the ball away and that’s where we can be vulnerable on counter and that’s the main reason why we are unable to have total control.

Do you blame it for bad coaching? Or is it more the fact we don’t have enough technical player to play that way or may be we have some of these technical players but we chose to play with the non-technical one, after all, Ole is the one who signed Bissaka and persistent to play McFred over Donny.
 
Please don’t make me hate you Ole.
I’m starting to do it I can feel it.

You are way way out of your depth. Someone, Woodward, Joel, whoever the feck is in charge now just end it now please.
 
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