Welbeck

fecks sake people it was a fecking great goal!
 
It's the sort of shot Rooney should be trying more often

There's no doubt Rooney can get the power behind them, he just doesn't try them enough...
 
kf said:
fecks sake people it was a fecking great goal!
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It was a goal I enjoyed most this season.

Young local kid developed at United. :drool:
 
tintedsepia said:
Don't understand people saying it was luck. WUMs.

He meant to hit it hard, with the outside of the right foot, and it was meant to end up in the top left hand corner.

It DID end up being hit hard, and it ended up swerving and nestled in the top right hand corner.

Was the luck that he did exactly what he intended. But then you could say that ANY fantastic goal was luck. For starts - Giggs goal vs Arsenal in 99 was luck, or Beckham's half-way line goal was luck.

Get a life people!
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I agree with you but I think you've got mixed up there.
 
I like the strength we have in attack right now. Remember when we only had Rooney, Tevez and a half fit Saha.

For this season we have Berbatov, Rooney, Tevez, Welbeck and Manucho. Thats some frightening ability right there.

But this thread is about Welbeck. He has shown a fearless determination on the pitch that epitomises young players. Brilliant goal for his debut and this will help his confidence greatly. From now on I expect him and Manucho to get more opportunities to play in the first team. A long run in the Carling Cup will ensure that they get a full 90 mins of action at times.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The reason they haven't featured before now was because Welbeck missed most of pre-season with injury and Manucho is still finding his feet in English football and has also only just recovered from a long-term injury.
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Good point about the injuries. I'm just still not convinced that the seven-on-the-bench rule will make all that much of a difference to young players, development-wise. If Welbeck plays like that in training, he's going to get chances to play no matter how many are on the bench. Very glad to see them both play though, would have been over the moon if Manucho could have scored as well. BTW, if anyone hasn't seen the game, the MotD highlights are now available in the video thread .
 
Chris H said:
Good point about the injuries. I'm just still not convinced that the seven-on-the-bench rule will make all that much of a difference to young players, development-wise. If Welbeck plays like that in training, he's going to get chances to play no matter how many are on the bench. Very glad to see them both play though, would have been over the moon if Manucho could have scored as well. BTW, if anyone hasn't seen the game, the MotD highlights are now available in the video thread .
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You're on a verge of being wrong, mate. If we're only allowed 5 subs, chances are Welbeck or Manucho will not be making the bench at all, no matter how good they perform on the training pitch. We'll see the likes of O'Shea getting minutes here and there, just because he makes the bench in the first place. In terms of development, cameos here and there play a significant role.
 
I felt Wellbeck looked incredibly nervous when he came on, mis controlled the ball a few times and looked a bit lost. Then all of a sudden he picks up the ball and scores a great goal. Didn't get to see his dance though, camera's turned away :(

Gibson wasn't bad... really tried to impress, but at times looked like a headless chicken. Few good passes, few bad passes.
 
There is no way Gibson will make it, not saying he is shit on a stick or anything, but he just isnt a good enough player imo
 
Alex said:
There is no way Gibson will make it, not saying he is shit on a stick or anything, but he just isnt a good enough player imo
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Haven't seen enough of him, which suggests he isn't good enough. But when I do see him, he always has given 100% and tries to impress, which is what I like seeing from the youngsters.
 
Yeah he will make it somewhere, but it isnt exactly easy to force your way into the United squad and from what I have seen he just isnt good enough to do such a thing
 
December_16 said:
You're on a verge of being wrong, mate. If we're only allowed 5 subs, chances are Welbeck or Manucho will not be making the bench at all, no matter how good they perform on the training pitch. We'll see the likes of O'Shea getting minutes here and there, just because he makes the bench in the first place. In terms of development, cameos here and there play a significant role.
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If Welbeck only gets a couple of late cameo appearances in the league, it will make far less of an impact on his development than the year he will have spent training with the senior squad every day at Carrington. He's also going to get a few opportunities in the Cups, true, but that's going to happen with or without the seven man bench.

All I'm saying is, I don't believe that the new rule will really make all that much of a difference. I could be wrong, but have yet to be convinced of it from looking at our team, or any other. It's a good idea, but I don't think it will have all that much of an impact on player development. Premiership clubs will still import most of their talent, and the elite clubs even more so, including their academy-age talent. And young players trying to break into those squads will still face the sort of choices that Bentley, Rossi, and Campbell faced or will soon face: stay at a big club and play very little, or go somewhere else and play a lot? Unless you have the talent of an 18-year-old Rooney or Ronaldo, it's not going to be easy, and many players will still be loaned out, or seek greener pastures elsewhere. There is simply no substitute for playing in competitive matches.

Imagine that at the beginning of last season we had two young strikers, same age, same stage of development: Frazer Campbell and, say, Dave Smith. Campbell goes on loan to Hull and plays every week in the Championship, then goes to Tottenham and gets 25 or so matches for a mid-level Premiership club. Meanwhile Dave Smith stays with United, gets a handful of brief cameo appearances in the league, plus a few Carling Cup matches. After two seasons, who do you think will have benefited more? I'd say Campbell, and I'd say it isn't even remotely close. The new rule is good for giving players like Welbeck a taste of something they might not otherwise have seen, but still just a taste, not enough to really change the equation all that much. The expanded bench wouldn't have helped us to keep Rossi here, it won't have any impact on Campbell's future, and with or without it, even a talent like Welbeck will likely still face some time out on loan before (hopefully) making it at United. Look, it's a good rule. I just don't think it warrants the amount of gushing praise it gets.
 
You do make some good points Chris, but if Welbeck can chip in with some good goals throughout the season, he will probably earn more chances. Making it at United comes down to impressing one person and that is SAF, as has been evidenced by Darren Fletcher. It might slow his development by not getting a lot of games, but he is young and learning
 
He will play on the wings to get games, but his future is upfront. Playing alone upfront against Boro really impress me.
 
Unless I missed something I doubt He'd be that effective on the wing,looks more of a striker everytime I have seen Him.Wouldn't be the worst option to have playing winger but when we have giggs/park/ronaldo and nani seems a bit strange.If He can do a solskjaer and add good crossing ability to His game it'd make more sense as a last resort I suppose.
 
looks to me like somebody who could play in the centre of a front 3 or on the flanks...

much like rooney, teveth, ronaldo... not a bad thing...

still think he might be loaned out next season though to get regular premiership experience
 
Our youngest goalscorers in the Premiership:

1 Danny Welbeck 26/Nov/1990 15/Nov/2008 17 / 355
2 Rafael Da Silva 09/Jul/1990 08/Nov/2008 18 / 122
3 Guiseppe Rossi 01/Feb/1987 15/Oct/2005 18 / 256
4 Cristiano Ronaldo 05/Feb/1985 01/Nov/2003 18 / 269
5 Ryan Giggs 29/Nov/1973 29/Aug/1992 18 / 274
6 Wayne Rooney 24/Oct/1985 24/Oct/2004 19 / 0
7 Keith Gillespie 18/Feb/1975 29/Oct/1994 19 / 253
8 Paul Scholes 16/Nov/1974 24/Sep/1994 19 / 312
9 Nicky Butt 21/Jan/1975 31/Dec/1994 19 / 344
10 Luke Chadwick 18/Nov/1980 13/Jan/2001 20 / 56
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Our youngest goalscorers in the Premiership:

1 Danny Welbeck 26/Nov/1990 15/Nov/2008 17 / 355
2 Rafael Da Silva 09/Jul/1990 08/Nov/2008 18 / 122
3 Guiseppe Rossi 01/Feb/1987 15/Oct/2005 18 / 256
4 Cristiano Ronaldo 05/Feb/1985 01/Nov/2003 18 / 269
5 Ryan Giggs 29/Nov/1973 29/Aug/1992 18 / 274
6 Wayne Rooney 24/Oct/1985 24/Oct/2004 19 / 0
7 Keith Gillespie 18/Feb/1975 29/Oct/1994 19 / 253
8 Paul Scholes 16/Nov/1974 24/Sep/1994 19 / 312
9 Nicky Butt 21/Jan/1975 31/Dec/1994 19 / 344
10 Luke Chadwick 18/Nov/1980 13/Jan/2001 20 / 56
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Fantastic, this only indicates the greatness Welbeck and Raf could achieve...Giggs...Scholes...Rooney
 
12th youngest ever Premiership scorer:

1 James Vaughan 14/Jul/1988 10/Apr/2005 16 / 270
2 James Milner 04/Jan/1986 26/Dec/2002 16 / 356
3 Wayne Rooney 24/Oct/1985 19/Oct/2002 16 / 360
4 Darren Bent 06/Feb/1985 24/Apr/2002 17 / 77
5 Francesc Fabregas 04/May/1987 25/Aug/2004 17 / 113
6 Michael Owen 14/Dec/1979 06/May/1997 17 / 143
7 Andy Turner 28/Mar/1975 05/Sep/1992 17 / 161
8 Lee Hodges 02/Mar/1978 30/Aug/1995 17 / 181
9 Martin Cranie 26/Sep/1986 01/May/2004 17 / 218
10 Mikael Forsell 15/Mar/1981 20/Feb/1999 17 / 342
11 Danny Cadamarteri 12/Oct/1979 20/Sep/1997 17 / 343
12 Danny Welbeck 26/Nov/1990 15/Nov/2008 17 / 355
13 Michael Ball 02/Oct/1979 27/Sep/1997 17 / 360
14 Lee Cattermole 21/Mar/1988 02/Apr/2006 18 / 12
15 Victor Anichebe 23/Apr/1988 07/May/2006 18 / 14
16 Alan Smith 28/Oct/1980 14/Nov/1998 18 / 17
17 Francis Jeffers 25/Jan/1981 27/Feb/1999 18 / 33
18 Gareth Bale 16/Jul/1989 01/Sep/2007 18 / 47
19 Michael Branch 18/Oct/1978 07/Dec/1996 18 / 50
20 Gareth Barry 23/Feb/1981 24/Apr/1999 18 / 60
 
It reminded me of the Beckham goal against Spurs.Defence backs away and he had the confidence power and accuracy to nail it into the top corner.I hope he trains on like Beckham did.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Our youngest goalscorers in the Premiership:

1 Danny Welbeck 26/Nov/1990 15/Nov/2008 17 / 355
2 Rafael Da Silva 09/Jul/1990 08/Nov/2008 18 / 122
3 Guiseppe Rossi 01/Feb/1987 15/Oct/2005 18 / 256
4 Cristiano Ronaldo 05/Feb/1985 01/Nov/2003 18 / 269
5 Ryan Giggs 29/Nov/1973 29/Aug/1992 18 / 274
6 Wayne Rooney 24/Oct/1985 24/Oct/2004 19 / 0
7 Keith Gillespie 18/Feb/1975 29/Oct/1994 19 / 253
8 Paul Scholes 16/Nov/1974 24/Sep/1994 19 / 312
9 Nicky Butt 21/Jan/1975 31/Dec/1994 19 / 344
10 Luke Chadwick 18/Nov/1980 13/Jan/2001 20 / 56
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what about of all time?
 
Welbeck concerns...

FERGUSON WORRIED FOR WELBECK
Posted 16/11/08 13:44EmailPrintSave

Sir Alex Ferguson has expressed his concern at Manchester United sharp-shooter Danny Welbeck going away on international duty with England.

Welbeck scored his first goal for United in their 5-0 victory over Stoke on Saturday, fulfilling a childhood dream for the lifelong Red Devils fan.

However, he has immediately been whisked away by the Three Lions to represent England Under-19s in a friendly against Germany at Colchester on Tuesday.

And as Welbeck has only just recovered from a knee injury, Ferguson is worried the Longsight-born youngster might be putting his fitness at risk.

"He has hardly played since he got the injury playing for England in the first place," said the United boss.

"Now he is going away again to play for them again on Tuesday.

"You don't get a break with these things. I would prefer the boy to get some basis of training before he starts playing football all the time.

"He is still a boy. He is growing and maturing in his physique.

"We have to be careful with that. If they keep getting small injuries, it ends up with a big one."

The argument might be lost on Welbeck, who will join up with Brian Eastick's squad scarcely able to believe what has happened.

He made only his second first-team appearance in the Carling Cup win over QPR on Tuesday and has now followed that up with his Premier League debut and a goal in front of the Stretford End, a blistering 20-yard effort after he had collected possession close to the halfway line and exchanged passes with fellow new boy Manucho.

"It is amazing really," said Welbeck.

"For someone coming from Manchester, to come on and score in front of the Stretford End on my debut. It is what every young boy would dream of.

"I have thought about it ever since I started playing football and I can't imagine any better feeling."

Welbeck wasted no time in watching a replay once he got back into the home dressing room after United's biggest win of the season.

And he has assured the Old Trafford faithful he will not be getting too big for his boots.

"I have seen it quite a few times on video analysis already," he smiled.

"But it has just made me hungry for more.

"There is no better experience than to play with top class players every week. I just want to improve as much as I can.

"I am sure I will keep my feet on the ground. I am quite level-headed anyway, so I will just take it in my stride."


http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_4506926,00.html
 
Tibs said:
Welbeck will save us £25 million (not Tevez though). Just as Evans will save us lots of money. This is the benefit of a youth system. Query: Did we buy Evans as a youngster?
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He came to United in 2006, at age 18, from Greenisland FC in Northern Ireland. Don't think we had to buy him though.
 
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Once he regains full fitness, I hope Welbeck gets as many matches as possible here. I think he's the real deal, would hate to see him go out on loan.
 
Chris H said:
He came to United in 2006, at age 18, from Greenisland FC in Northern Ireland. Don't think we had to buy him though.
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I´m pretty sure he came sooner than 2006, he played some pre-season games in the summer of '06 and I find it hard to believe he would have been played in those had he just arrived at the club. According to Wikipedia he came to United in 2004.

Also, he wouldn´t have come from Greenisland FC, who, according to their official website, have only boys up to the age of 16. It would actually make sense if he came to United from there in 2004, when he was 16.

edit: it says in his profile on Manutd.com that he came to United in July 2004 and that he actually traveled a few times with the first team in the 05/06 season.
 
SirAF said:
Once he regains full fitness, I hope Welbeck gets as many matches as possible here. I think he's the real deal, would hate to see him go out on loan.
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Agreed. He wants to stay with us rather than going on loan anyway. He would be a handy player to have on the bench and would give us a different dimension if needed.
 
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