Welbeck

Status
Not open for further replies.
My point was about needing Hernandez in tight games. What he did vs Everton was invaluable. He made our dominance count. Which is important in tough matches. I have little doubt he'd have done the same if we had played him vs City from the start.

Indeed. I said after 20 mins vs. City that it was a perfect game for Hernandez because we had so much possession but no cutting edge, Hernandez gives us that.

The way pocco talks it's like we're comparing Messi with Klose, rather than Hernandez with Welbeck.
 
"hate?"

you're surely going overboard there? I seriously doubt anyone "hates" him.

There were plenty of posters who used to openly dislike/hate him. They've all seem to gone quiet lately though :rolleyes:

I cant remember what team it was, but I visited another football forum one day and in their "most hated footballers" list, I was stunned at how many said Welbeck. I genuinely cant see whats to dislike about him. I honestly don't see it.
 
There were plenty of posters who used to openly dislike/hate him. They've all seem to gone quiet lately though :rolleyes:

I cant remember what team it was, but I visited another football forum one day and in their "most hated footballers" list, I was stunned at how many said Welbeck. I genuinely cant see whats to dislike about him. I honestly don't see it.

I think it was his cockiness after scoring that beauty for the first team and then another in the CC (I think), I remember hearing that SAF and the coaching staff didn't like it either. This probably led a few people, especially supporters of other clubs to get the wrong idea about him when in reality it seems he's as nice a lad as you could hope for.
 
Is there a reason you feel this is important to point out? Aside from the comedy value, of course.

Yes, it shows that I rated this player before the masses. I was able to formulate my own opinion without being influenced by the consensus of popular opinion.
 
And yes, often players can look like they have a shit attitude and are disliked by their own fans, only to win them around later on. It's not just fecking logic, it's the human condition.
A common and nonsensical excuse applied by people who know they're being daft: "It's not me, it's my human nature!"
 
I'm saying, "who currently hates him"? It's a pretty simple question really.

And yes, often players can look like they have a shit attitude and are disliked by their own fans, only to win them around later on. It's not just fecking logic, it's the human condition.

He gave you examples of people that 'hated' him a while back. The fact that he found two examples of people that hated him, for no apparent reason, says that Brwned and KM were right in saying it. You're just nitpicking. I don't remember Welbeck ever having a shit attitude or any other flaw that would make people hate him.

My point was about needing Hernandez in tight games. What he did vs Everton was invaluable. He made our dominance count. Which is important in tough matches. I have little doubt he'd have done the same if we had played him vs City from the start.

I'm with you now. I was just showing that both sides of the Hernandez on argument were on display against Everton. He scored the winner, but he was also often sloppy in possession and should have set up a goal for Welbeck.
 
Indeed. I said after 20 mins vs. City that it was a perfect game for Hernandez because we had so much possession but no cutting edge, Hernandez gives us that.

The way pocco talks it's like we're comparing Messi with Klose, rather than Hernandez with Welbeck.

Does there have to be a Messi vs Klose gulf in order for you to recognise it? This is your problem, not mine.
 
he has been excellent so far, no complain about his link up play whatsoever, but just hoping he could be a bit brave to have a go and try to shoot when he gets near the penalty box, i think he often took one touch too many at times and get closed by the opposition defenders...apart from that he has been very good for us..it is easy to forget that he is only 20..if he can just improve and fulfill his potential he will be a top class forward for us..
 
A common and nonsensical excuse applied by people who know they're being daft: "It's not me, it's my human nature!"

It actually is human nature though :confused:

The same way a woman can be repulsed by a man and his actions only to later learn to love the exact things she's hated to start off with.

I thought all people understood this? Being able to change your mind about things/people/places is part of being human.... FACT! It aint up for debate Laphroaig.
 
Hating a 18yr old academy player just because he isn't good enough is not human nature tbf.
 
Does there have to be a Messi vs Klose gulf in order for you to recognise it? This is your problem, not mine.

No mate, but recognize it in the correct sense:

* We play better football with Welbeck in the team

Really? Considering the way we were playing at the end of last season compared to what? 2-3 games we have played well with Welbeck in the team this year?

Welbeck also had a good season last year, though it got interrupted by injuries. Don't get me wrong, I like Hernandez as much as anyone, but I don't let that get in the way of identifying his weaknesses, of which there are a few. It's not always going to be plain sailing for him and when he goes through a bad spell, it is then that these weaknesses will be massively highlighted. He needs to continue to develop his game if he is to be considered first choice. Welbeck is already snapping at his heels.

This is my favorite of all your quotes though. Danny has plenty of weaknesses too you know. IMO right now he has more weaknesses then Hernandez due to Hernandez knack of winning games even when having an off day.
 
I think it was his cockiness after scoring that beauty for the first team and then another in the CC (I think), I remember hearing that SAF and the coaching staff didn't like it either. This probably led a few people, especially supporters of other clubs to get the wrong idea about him when in reality it seems he's as nice a lad as you could hope for.

This was probably bollocks printed in the Mirror though. Personally, I didnt think there was anything wrong with the Usain Bolt celebration, which caused a little stir among some posters.
 
This was probably bollocks printed in the Mirror though. Personally, I didnt think there was anything wrong with the Usain Bolt celebration, which caused a little stir among some posters.

Me neither. I loved it. But then I used to appreciate Henry's celebrations too, and I know that A LOT of poster's didn't! In fact, plenty of posters disliked Henry because of his arrogance.
 
It actually is human nature though :confused:

The same way a woman can be repulsed by a man and his actions only to later learn to love the exact things she's hated to start off with.

I thought all people understood this? Being able to change your mind about things/people/places is part of being human.... FACT! It aint up for debate Laphroaig.
Nonsense. Everything we do is in line with human nature (or else we couldn't do it), so the explanation becomes void. It's also human nature to ask yourself when you hate (or something slightly weaker) a player in the team you support whether it's unfounded bollocks. When you realise that it is, which you would when it came to Welbeck, you let it go. To bear irrational grudges against your team's players isn't any more "human nature" than to not do so, so your "explanation" is simply a rationalisation. "It's human nature" is a cop out for spineless, unthinking people.
 
Nothing was wrong with Danny, wasn't it Macheda with the poor attitude that ppl were complaining about ?

The only thing that was wrong with DW was that he got games on the LW instead of being played as a FWD... As usual it was the progress in Sunderland that made him a man, he didn't have the strength + technique like an 18 yr old Ronaldo thus he needed a bit more time.

He's going to be a big player for us if he keeps developing... Welbeck-Rooney-Hernandez will be a joy to watch in the coming years...
 
Status
Not open for further replies.