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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
End of the party? Give over. It’s part of the fabric of this cursed country. An “institution” is an understatement.
As amazing as this will be, the thought of Reform as ‘the opposition’ is absolutely terrifying!
I don't mean the party literally doesn't exist. But I think if they do this again, you could see an election result where they get 50,60,70 seats. Maybe worse. If that was to happen their role in government has ended for the foreseeable future.
I can actually see Sunak quitting rather than facing a humiliating loss. The guy will take the cowards way out, resign as an MP and move to the US.
Hope he gets sacked Cliff Lawton style.
Hope Sunak makes good on his threat.
No way we have another PM before a GE, it was beyond farcical last time
I want them to incite further rage by putting up yet another unelected PM
Maybe they put up Starmer
Wonder if we'll see some Tory defections to Labour from Cameronite MPs no one as ever heard of in the run up to the election, in a desperate attempt for them to keep their seats. Labour will probably go for it if they think it will force a GE. Plus their ideology isn't going go be an issue.
We'll probably see a few of the knuckle draggers defect to reform in order to boost their new careers as a right-wing shills once they lose their seats.
We'll probably see a few of the knuckle draggers defect to reform in order to boost their new careers as a right-wing shills once they lose their seats.
More dangerous than Suella Braverman?
More dangerous than the party that illegally prorogued parliament?
Maybe, take a break and think about what you are agreeing with.
Weak till the end.
It does seem unthinkable. On the other hand a party needs members to keep joining, and the average age of the Tory membership is 72, so they haven't been getting them recently. Financially they rely on big donors, but many of those are really seeking influence, and if there's no prospect of the Tories governing they might look elsewhere. And the same goes for those joining with dreams of being an MP and the gravy train, a lot aren't hugely ideological, they want the power, and without that will they bother?
There would still be some sort of right wing party though, so how much difference it would make I don't know, a rose by any other name and that, but it would be nice to have a good few years without them at least.
All I would say is that if Galloway represents the first religious party with any real sway or impact then it might be true.
I might be mistaken but I don't see how religion based parties and politics is ever a good thing or advances a country at all.
Its one of the current dichotomies in politics because it used to be the left was about secularism and now because of the Corbyn disaster you hear them cheering Galloway on as an FU to Starmer.
The Workers Party of Britain isn't a religious party.
Having the cushy seat in Westminster trumps all.
The point is that ultimately the Tory party isn’t a fixed ideology, it’s a racket. There’s no way the party doesn’t pull itself together and gets its house in order ready for the following election. Everyone thought Labour were dead in 2019 and look at the polls now. They don’t believe in anything other than looking after their own interests and it’s harder to do that out of power so they will be pragmatic and work alongside the right wing press to position themselves for Starmer’s mistakes.
The sad fact is that ultimately this is a right wing country and the Tory party is home for just enough people to win FPTP elections more often than not. Starmer isn’t going to do anything that will convince a population with short memories that Labour are the long option. A rebranded Tory party promising tax cuts and prosperity will absolutely walk it in 28/29.
That is arguably about support rather than intention. I highlighted the word IF as its not a known fact but one hypothesis of what it morphs into.
What is it they said about the BREXIT party and racists.
You don't have to be a Muslim to vote WPB but...
The worry would be that its a first step towards it and so that would make Galloway dangerous wouldn't it?
No. The fear mongering about GG, a single MP in this thread is really weird.
We've had the Tories run this country into the ground - it's been as bas as it's ever been. The Tory cosplayers have U-turned on pretty much every policy under Keir, so even if they were around, it wouldn't be much better.
This is the exact same rhetoric people, Daily Mail etc come out with when they talk about Corbyn. 'Yes it's shit but can you imagine how shitter it would have been under Corbyn??'. It's a totally nonsensical way to evaluate things. You deal with the reality you have, not the hypothetical one. And in the reality we have, the Tories have ruined pretty much every single public institution going.
Secondly, if Muslims were to vote tactically, this is dangerous because of what exactly?
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Really are just a bunch of Tories.It was more like a decade of asset stripping.
Yep. Sold most of the country's assets to raise funds. Blew the cash on tax cuts and shortterm feel good gains all the while transferring public wealth into private hands. Skipped the opportunity from North sea gas to build infrastructure and plan for the future.
We're living in the era when Thatcher's plans have found their logical conclusion - an infrastructure disaster, stifling those old "one nation" things about education and social mobility. Instead we've got massive housing misery, sewage in the rivers and declining living standards for anybody actually relying on working for a living.
I think Labour are a bit late to the Thatcher party - even if it's supposed to appeal to OAP Brexit voters. I guess this is the current version of appealing to the Dunkirk spirit, but does it actually resonate with anyone they're trying to win over? Unless it's some Tory MPs looking for a new home of course who want a slogan to use in their defection speech.
Short memories indeed, you have forgotten that not long ago Labour were in power for 13 years.
I’ve not forgotten, I’m just aware of the fact it’s only 13 of the last 45 years.
It's amazing how so many Tories wish the country would go back to the good old days in the 1970s, whereas I would gladly accept 2015. And 2015 was fecking awful.
So it could happen again then. Yes, it is perfectly possible that the Tories could win the following election, but to claim as a certainty as you did is simply bollocks.
Not really. The country was in rude national health at the end of that 13 year period. Pretty much everything worked as well as it’s ever done. That probably not saying much, but they should have been the first 13 years of a good run. We needed left wing opposition to a fairly centre left Labour Party that demanded even more for the people.
Instead, we had an ungrateful populace that fell for Cameron’s bollocks. It happens every single time. The people in this country are poorly informed of politics, economics and when paired with the media and bad faith actors in the Tory party… they vote against their own best interests so often.
British people are kind, compassionate, but they are easily led. They focus on the micro day to day of their own lives and even when it’s good, they’re gullible at the macro level. Towns where only ‘The Good Immigrants’ exist, as doctors and nurses and dentists, that see them not have to wait for services… will buy into macro dramas about immigration and pick up a pitchfork. They can have a child in a school rated ‘Good’ that’s raising middle England economy drones where they all get ten GCSE’s and have among the highest percentage of children going on to Uni… and get corrupted by the threat of unisex toilets, or that children at the school are soon to identify as cats.
They routinely vote for a party that makes everything worse. Every. Single. Time.
It’ll happen again. No question.
What country were you living in? The UK was fecked in 2010. Then things were going well under the Tories until somebody decided a Brexit vote would be a good idea.
If you call wholesale cuts to public services while spending increased and the national deficit increased, which was cited as the reason for austerity, going well then yeah it was a rave
Economy was back in growth and the budget deficit was being reduced. For that 5 or 6 years until the referendum everything was going in the right direction.
I’ve heard some takes, but this is insane. The UK wasn’t fcuked. The GFC fecked most countries. Austerity compounded its impacts.
A Labour government would have handled it far better.