Sounds like a fun event.
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Almost as bad as her passionate speech on cheese
What? Are you talking about me here or the event?
I think the event is fine.
I read your initial post as “I don’t agree with the event but it’s Young Labour not the whole party”.
On rereading I think it was ambiguous as to whether you are disagreeing with the event or disagreeing with Guido’s article. If I guessed / assumed wrong, apologies.
I don't have any problems with the event - it's a solid idea, I just disagree with excluding a particular group of people from said event when it's in the name of equality. Guido is shite as well but was the first source I saw for this one.
Why would anyone who isn't voting for representatives be there?
Surely if you're appointing equalities officers there should be ones for all groups? Naturally white men have a disproportionate number of advantages compared to other social groups but there are still issues they face - suicide rates being higher, poor working-class men struggling economically/professionally etc.
they have online voting where people are elected to positions that deal with those issues, not that it matters, it's young labour, basically a fan club for young nerds
this particular event is to elect people from groups who are historically underrepresented, you could make an argument for lower class representatives, but that is literally the whole point of the labour party to begin with
True, fair point.
So Arlene Foster told May to go feck herself yesterday.
£1.5bn well spent then.
£1.5bn well spent then.
David Cameron would have been much better at negotiating with the EU than May, even though he was the one responsible for calling for the referendum in the first place. Juncker and the others have a good relationship with Cameron. No one particularly likes or has any respect for May, including lawmakers in her own party.
She has so many problems in the Tory caucus that it's actually become a joke. This leadership change at the top has been very bad for everything. It seemed to a lot of people that Cameron continuing as Premier was untenable but maybe, just maybe, there wouldn't be this mess that we're currently seeing.
I'd love to see a Corbyn Premiership. Labour have to first formulate a good Brexit plan and sell it to the Parliamentary Party. After selling it to the PLP, they need to get it out to the country. Do that and you'll see them in office.
She has so many problems in the Tory caucus that it's actually become a joke. This leadership change at the top has been very bad for everything. It seemed to a lot of people that Cameron continuing as Premier was untenable but maybe, just maybe, there wouldn't be this mess that we're currently seeing.
I'd love to see a Corbyn Premiership. Labour have to first formulate a good Brexit plan and sell it to the Parliamentary Party. After selling it to the PLP, they need to get it out to the country. Do that and you'll see them in office.
Obvious attempt to try and engage with the youth.
Corbyn's not learning is he? Come the election he's going to be sat in front of interviewer after interviewer asking him how much will this cost and how will he raise the money for it, and he'll reply with waffle and 'it's an aspiration', except they won't let it go, because his twitter will still be there. He's looking as stupid as Trump when it comes to twitter.
There are open goals to be had on student loans, he should stick to them, such as why should interest rates be higher than inflation, and why is the living element of the loan not large enough to pay for accomodation and day to day living costs.
It was fully costed in the manifesto, wasn't it?
I'm confused, what exactly did Corbyn do wrong there?
I dunno, from where i'm sitting;
1 - Corbyn has remained consistent on his message regarding tuition throughout, unlike May/The Tories
2 - Their manifesto was actually costed, unlike the Tories.
3 - Yes he's not the best interviewee but he doesn't brand himself as such, his best interactions are when he's in public not in a suit & tie in front of cameras, which is more appealing to the youth anyway.
Tories desperately need to do something.The average age of voters are 57
Er.. where you way last June ?
Yeah their ''youth'' problem is really anyone under 50.
A) The 'it's an aspiration' argument was about retroactively writing off student debt not abolishing student loans in the future.
B) The issue here, which no one will address, is where the money comes from. The £9k tuition fees went hand in hand with a cut to HEFCE funding to universities. The universities didn't get more money out of fees per student (they got more money because of a knock on effect which meant that the government was willing to pay for more places, which increased student numbers which increased money, but that's slightly different) it simply changed where that money came form and shifted funding from a central pot to a ponzi-esque scheme where past graduates pay for current graduates and so on. If the Tories' are able to cut tuition fees without stumping up the cash to replace them, which by all indications they are going to try to do, then the outcome is the worst one possible for students.
In all honesty I think the system is entirely broken and is a disaster waiting to happen. I can't see how it can be fixed without the government deciding that they have to stump up more cash to do so.
Did the Tories even have a manifesto?
https://cookingonabootstrap.com/2018/02/17/my-ready-meal-is-none-of-your-fecking-business/
The problem is whether you criticise one party/leader/policy the response is immediately and always:
"Oh so you think X are better?" or "Well what about Y?"
Discussing political issues has become as intellectually stimulating as discussing who your 9 year old's favourite wrestler is. It's ridiculously partisan and often for reasons that aren't even ideological, people just get their backs up if they think you're critiquing their side. There really should be a lot more criticism of every side and every policy, instead people now see it as their job to defend and promote. It's becoming absurd.
It's not everyone but it's certainly massively increased since various political events of the last couple of years have emboldened the hard right and hard left.
"Oh so you think X are better?" or "Well what about Y?"
Discussing political issues has become as intellectually stimulating as discussing who your 9 year old's favourite wrestler is. It's ridiculously partisan and often for reasons that aren't even ideological, people just get their backs up if they think you're critiquing their side. There really should be a lot more criticism of every side and every policy, instead people now see it as their job to defend and promote. It's becoming absurd.
It's not everyone but it's certainly massively increased since various political events of the last couple of years have emboldened the hard right and hard left.
At least we can be sure UKIP aren't making a comeback anytime soon.
The promise to cut tuition fees was costed in the manifesto.
The aspiration was to write off all outstanding student debt. The one thing that is ridiculous about attacking Labour for "how will you fund that aspiration", is how the feck are the Conservatives going to fund that reality either.
The current system is a confusing mess, but given the repayment thresholds and interest rates (you need to be earning £35k plus to just hit the yearly interest payments, let alone touch the balance) most students are going to end up having a huge amount of debt written off in 30 years. It's classic short-termist politics. Make the public finances look better by taking the funding off the current books and kicking it 30 years and many elections into the future, all while attacking Labour for "how will you fill this black hole of debt". No Conservatives/Lib Dems, how the feck will you fill it.
Ben Bradley is my absolute favourite Tory.
Thanks to yourself and others for the correction, I did read Corbyn's tweet as promising to abolish existing debt, in which I was obviously wrong.
I agree with your point about short-termist politics, except I'd add dishonest as well.
What the actual feck?!
I was myself shocked, considering UKIP's reputation as beacons of rationality.
Looks like there is a chance he's about to become Corbyn's lawyers' too.
Looks like the tweet has magically disappeared.
He's part of the Tories' carefully planned campaign to both improve their social media presence and engage young people, you know.Looks like the tweet has magically disappeared.
It's all about the compassionate conservatism.