Westminster Politics

Pexbo said:
It’s important that he’s held to account for this and if it’s what can be used to get him out of office, even better.
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It wont be partygate that gets him out of office it will be the cost of living raging away out of control.

The problem is Labour is once again being deflected by the media, yes for those who lost loved ones and suffered in not being able to grieve properly the pain will always be there that some one in Government was out celebrating, but you know what, on the street where I live 85% of the households broke the rules. It made my piss boil at the time because of personal matters, but the truth is a very large section of the public at differing times broke the rules, or simply just ignored them, and now these people are just staring down at their feet and saying nothing, because they were doing things they should not have... Boris and his cronies are not the only guilty ones, try speaking to someone you know who broke the rules, see what response you get.
 
Maticmaker said:
It wont be partygate that gets him out of office it will be the cost of living raging away out of control.

The problem is Labour is once again being deflected by the media, yes for those who lost loved ones and suffered in not being able to grieve properly the pain will always be there that some one in Government was out celebrating, but you know what, on the street where I live 85% of the households broke the rules. It made my piss boil at the time because of personal matters, but the truth is a very large section of the public at differing times broke the rules, or simply just ignored them, and now these people are just staring down at their feet and saying nothing, because they were doing things they should not have... Boris and his cronies are not the only guilty ones, try speaking to someone you know who broke the rules, see what response you get.
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My mate got in a heated debate with his dad in the middle of the first lockdown because his dad kept driving from Southport to Lancaster to mow the lawn on his old house, which his dad vehemently argued was allowed under his interpretation of the lockdown rules. Given Barnard Castle and Partygate have come out, it's hard to argue he was wrong now...
 
Maticmaker said:
It wont be partygate that gets him out of office it will be the cost of living raging away out of control.

The problem is Labour is once again being deflected by the media, yes for those who lost loved ones and suffered in not being able to grieve properly the pain will always be there that some one in Government was out celebrating, but you know what, on the street where I live 85% of the households broke the rules. It made my piss boil at the time because of personal matters, but the truth is a very large section of the public at differing times broke the rules, or simply just ignored them, and now these people are just staring down at their feet and saying nothing, because they were doing things they should not have... Boris and his cronies are not the only guilty ones, try speaking to someone you know who broke the rules, see what response you get.
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Lovely whataboutism. How many of those people made the rules, stood up on national TV announcing those rules, sent public letters to little girls explaining why they should follow the rules, stood by and watched police forces enforce those rules handing out fines of thousands of pounds and finally stood up in parliament and swore that they followed the rules?
 
Rams said:
Lying about the parties and now lying about initiating a meeting with Sue Gray. Even if he was just briefly passing by, the PM evidently lied to parliament about not being aware of any partying. To add on this the MET’s independence is also being questioned. And there’s a small matter of the Irish border to be solved. What crisis? BJ‘s turning the UK in to a banana republic.
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Guess who, at the Met, oversaw the complaints about the Downing Street parties? That's right Bas Javid, Health Secretary Sajid Javid's brother.
 
Rams said:
The man needs to go ASAP, he’s a disaster. The real harm being done by Boris isn’t even going to be noticed till later down the line, he needs to go before it gets worse. Unless your Starmer that is, then you want BJ to stay on till the next election.
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I would guess the next election will be 2024 as that seems to be when a lot of the forecasts indicate inflation will be under control

https://www.statista.com/statistics/306720/cpi-rate-forecast-uk/

So whilst it suits starmer to have Boris around it probably suits the conservatives to have him around for the next year or so before giving a new leader a year or so to get bedded in and have that typical year one bounce benefitted by a couple of give away budgets.

Boris might be saved by nobody fancying the job for the next year or so?
 
To have a conversation about this whole debacle and arrive at Labour being the problem is impressive. If tory MPs had a moral compass and the courage of their convictions then this PM would no longer be in post. That's all it really comes down to.

They fear that those who would potentially fill his shoes are even more electoral liabilities than he currently is. That's all they care about.
 
Pexbo said:
How many of those people made the rules,
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Surely you mean how many obeyed them to the letter?
Of course its bad when those in charge are caught breaking their own rules, but partygate has become an 'holier than thou' argument that is being used by the media as some sort of cover up (for the oppositions inability to skewer Boris).

Its political arguments that will remove Boris and the Tories over cost of living and not by putting half the population in the dock with him over issues he already admitted to, paid the fine, and apologised for. People who also broke the rules (at various times) and escaped the law, run into millions, passive sympathy for themselves and by extension the Government, helps to ease consciences.These people are not going to kick Boris for something they did themselves at times, no doubt with their excuses at the ready, the longer partygate goes on the longer Boris will evade skewering!
 
Speaking of cost of living...


Energy bills likely to rise by £800 in October, says Ofgem chief
Jonathan Brearley tells MPs price cap due to rise to about £2,800, blaming soaring cost of wholesale gas and electricty
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ly-to-rise-by-800-in-october-says-ofgem-chief


Ofgem is on course to raise the cap on household energy bills to about £2,800 in October, the regulator’s chief executive, Jonathan Brearley, has told MPs.

The shock increase in the cap would push up the average bill by more than £800, after the regulator increased it by £693 in April to £1,971.


Brearley told parliament’s business, energy & industrial strategy committee that the figure was provisional, but was based on the most accurate estimate at the moment.
 
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Frosty said:
Speaking of cost of living...


Energy bills likely to rise by £800 in October, says Ofgem chief
Jonathan Brearley tells MPs price cap due to rise to about £2,800, blaming soaring cost of wholesale gas and electricty
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ly-to-rise-by-800-in-october-says-ofgem-chief


Ofgem is on course to raise the cap on household energy bills to about £2,800 in October, the regulator’s chief executive, Jonathan Brearley, has told MPs.

The shock increase in the cap would push up the average bill by more than £800, after the regulator increased it by £693 in April to £1,971.


Brearley told parliament’s business, energy & industrial strategy committee that the figure was provisional, but was based on the most accurate estimate at the moment.
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Yet LNG volumes last week in the UK increased significantly - https://www.ft.com/content/71e06abb-b4d1-42a2-95db-430a8977ba69

Ofgem aren't fit for purpose.
 
Frosty said:
Speaking of cost of living...


Energy bills likely to rise by £800 in October, says Ofgem chief
Jonathan Brearley tells MPs price cap due to rise to about £2,800, blaming soaring cost of wholesale gas and electricty
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ly-to-rise-by-800-in-october-says-ofgem-chief


Ofgem is on course to raise the cap on household energy bills to about £2,800 in October, the regulator’s chief executive, Jonathan Brearley, has told MPs.

The shock increase in the cap would push up the average bill by more than £800, after the regulator increased it by £693 in April to £1,971.


Brearley told parliament’s business, energy & industrial strategy committee that the figure was provisional, but was based on the most accurate estimate at the moment.
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Errr… what?

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Maticmaker said:
Surely you mean how many obeyed them to the letter?
Of course its bad when those in charge are caught breaking their own rules, but partygate has become an 'holier than thou' argument that is being used by the media as some sort of cover up (for the oppositions inability to skewer Boris).

Its political arguments that will remove Boris and the Tories over cost of living and not by putting half the population in the dock with him over issues he already admitted to, paid the fine, and apologised for. People who also broke the rules (at various times) and escaped the law, run into millions, passive sympathy for themselves and by extension the Government, helps to ease consciences.These people are not going to kick Boris for something they did themselves at times, no doubt with their excuses at the ready, the longer partygate goes on the longer Boris will evade skewering!
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You did just completely change the question to suit your own views on the matter.

Political arguments will absolutely not remove him. You can't have a constructive argument with someone who just blusters and lies about everything. How do you think that Labour can currently politically argue him out of office?
 
Wasn't inclined to throw Widow a rope but now that one's died down I do feel the need to admit I do find the partygate shit extremely boring.

People should crack on with it, if they think it's doing long term damage to the Conservative Party (I wouldn't rule it out, pretty agnostic on that) but personally it doesn't rank in the top 100 things that have bothered me about the last 12 years.
 
DOTA said:
Wasn't inclined to throw Widow a rope but now that one's died down I do feel the need to admit I do find the partygate shit extremely boring.

People should crack on with it, if they think it's doing long term damage to the Conservative Party (I wouldn't rule it out, pretty agnostic on that) but personally it doesn't rank in the top 100 things that have bothered me about the last 12 years.
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It depends whether you've lost someone during the covid period or not, or whether you had to sit through funerals where limited people could attend. Whilst partygate may be boring, and through a limited lens is a small item, it's the fact that people couldn't bury their family & friends in an appropriate manner won't be something folk can just easily get over, which is why people aren't 'cracking on with it'.
 
F-Red said:
It depends whether you've lost someone during the covid period or not, or whether you had to sit through funerals where limited people could attend. Whilst partygate may be boring, and through a limited lens is a small item, it's the fact that people couldn't bury their family & friends in an appropriate manner won't be something folk can just easily get over, which is why people aren't 'cracking on with it'.
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I meant crack on with talking about partygate.
 
This is leading to pictures of Boris doing lines off Nadine's ass. Mark my words.
 
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The key issue is Boris broke the ministerial code, that is a resigning offence, how can he stay in office, when he broke it??
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61566410

Every day a new leak/allegation. Drip drip drip.
But I do agree with Maticmaker that most people are now numb to this story.
The complete failure to act on the spiralling cost of living could be the death nail, hopefully anyway. Unless that is, they are pursuaded by the enticing prospect of increasing the MoT frequency to every 2 years. And bugger those who don't own a car.
 
Buster15 said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61566410

Every day a new leak/allegation. Drip drip drip.
But I do agree with Maticmaker that most people are now numb to this story.
The complete failure to act on the spiralling cost of living could be the death nail, hopefully anyway. Unless that is, they are pursuaded by the enticing prospect of increasing the MoT frequency to every 2 years. And bugger those who don't own a car.
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I'm afraid that they will likely blame the whole thing on external market forces (Ukraine invasion) until the year before election time when they will cut taxes. This will likely be good enough for the English electorate to give them 5 more years.
 
I don't think it's a democracy if the head of government can only be ousted by their own party when there's no election on the horizon. Johnson can do whatever he wants and they won't do anything to stop him. In the past, even the suspicion of scandal or wrongdoing would be a resigning matter. This guy, though, just lies and lies and lies again, safe in the knowledge that all he has to do is brazen it out and he'll be fine.

Kids in history class 50 years from now are going to be scratching their heads and wondering why there wasn't a revolution.
 
DOTA said:
Wasn't inclined to throw Widow a rope but now that one's died down I do feel the need to admit I do find the partygate shit extremely boring.

People should crack on with it, if they think it's doing long term damage to the Conservative Party (I wouldn't rule it out, pretty agnostic on that) but personally it doesn't rank in the top 100 things that have bothered me about the last 12 years.
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Agree. The only correct answer on partygate or whatever is happening with Starmer is that is funny and stupid.

It captures a very British type of outrage is which getting mad at politicians for doing the exact same thing as most of the British public. Everyone at some stage broke the lockdown rules in one way or another, I still remember the conga lines of death or the boats doing donuts in the river Thames while people clapped on the sidelines.

The current outrage/moralism is just trying to fill the void now that we don’t have a real political alternative.
 
Shinjch said:
I'm afraid that they will likely blame the whole thing on external market forces (Ukraine invasion) until the year before election time when they will cut taxes. This will likely be good enough for the English electorate to give them 5 more years.
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Absolutely. That's why they've done nothing now. Will be a gift to whoever takes over from this blancmange.
 
Sweet Square said:
Agree. The only correct answer on partygate or whatever is happening with Starmer is that is funny and stupid.

It captures a very British type of outrage is which getting mad at politicians for doing the exact same thing as most of the British public. Everyone at some stage broke the lockdown rules in one way or another, I still remember the conga lines of death or the boats doing donuts in the river Thames while people clapped on the sidelines.

The current outrage/moralism is just trying to fill the void now that we don’t have a real political alternative.
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Nope, completely incorrect, I have never broken any of the laws, not rules, laws.

Unlike the PM, I am a law abiding citizen.

Why try and tar everyone with the same brush??

The PM is a criminal, pure and simple, there should be a law that if the PM is a criminal he can't be PM any longer.
Same for any member of Parliament.
 
Dobba said:
Dominic Cummings' go-to outlet pretending this is the first she's heard of any of these incidents. You sure as shit don't get good acting in return for your contribution to her £300k a year wage do you? :lol:
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I'm convinced we'll miss her. Replacement will be just as biased and nowhere near as funny.
 
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