Westminster Politics

ThehatchetMan said:
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I hate the way they keep saying “foreign National” rapists, criminals etc

nationality has nothing to do with it. A scumbag is a scumbag and should be dealt with wherever they are from.

repeating this sand old rhetoric just enables them to keep doing what they are doing
 
Ludens the Red said:
Also @UnrelatedPsuedo
Just an ode to your comment about the transport in the city being incredible. Do you travel using London transport on a daily basis out of interest? Because I can’t actually fathom how anyone who does would think that :lol:
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An ode?…

Yes I used London Transport and have done for two decades. It’s only ever got better at a time that nationals services have got progressively worse.

We have one of the best transport systems on the planet and some of the best cycling infrastructure that’s only getting better. I’ll talk a lot of shit about this godforsaken isle, but we move millions of people round exceptionally well.

We need less car journeys, less pollution, increased public health and money spent on people, not cars.

Sadiq’s point was so simple to understand. Try to listen again instead of just cherry picking and misrepresenting.
 
ThehatchetMan said:
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This is a serious question despite sounding silly but what is the cut-off point with this?

For instance if I'm a 10 year old non-Brit that comes to the UK, live here for 20+ years and then kill someone, am I classed as foreign still and open to deportation? If so, when does it stop?
 
SilentWitness said:
This is a serious question despite sounding silly but what is the cut-off point with this?

For instance if I'm a 10 year old non-Brit that comes to the UK, live here for 20+ years and then kill someone, am I classed as foreign still and open to deportation? If so, when does it stop?
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Is this a silly question? Windrush and Begum (as extreme as her case may be) show that you can be born in this country and still ultimately be deemed an outsider by the authorities.

As I said before, I hate the Tories, always have and always will but this current batch are particularly brutal. I couldn't imagine Cameron, Osborne, May etc, as much as I disliked them at the time, getting anywhere in this current party.

Seems like a new low every day to be totally honest.
 
SilentWitness said:
This is a serious question despite sounding silly but what is the cut-off point with this?

For instance if I'm a 10 year old non-Brit that comes to the UK, live here for 20+ years and then kill someone, am I classed as foreign still and open to deportation? If so, when does it stop?
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africanspur said:
Is this a silly question? Windrush and Begum (as extreme as her case may be) show that you can be born in this country and still ultimately be deemed an outsider by the authorities.

As I said before, I hate the Tories, always have and always will but this current batch are particularly brutal. I couldn't imagine Cameron, Osborne, May etc, as much as I disliked them at the time, getting anywhere in this current party.

Seems like a new low every day to be totally honest.
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Just to add - they also passed some legislation (it might have been under Priti) about how folks with dual citizenship can have their UK passport revoked.

New bill quietly gives powers to remove British citizenship without notice | Home Office | The Guardian

Frances Webber, the vice-chair of the Institute of Race Relations, said: “This amendment sends the message that certain citizens, despite being born and brought up in the UK and having no other home, remain migrants in this country. Their citizenship, and therefore all their rights, are precarious and contingent.

“It builds on previous measures to strip British-born dual nationals (who are mostly from ethnic minorities) of citizenship and to do it while they are abroad, measures used mainly against British Muslims. It unapologetically flouts international human rights obligations and basic norms of fairness.”
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africanspur said:
Is this a silly question? Windrush and Begum (as extreme as her case may be) show that you can be born in this country and still ultimately be deemed an outsider by the authorities.

As I said before, I hate the Tories, always have and always will but this current batch are particularly brutal. I couldn't imagine Cameron, Osborne, May etc, as much as I disliked them at the time, getting anywhere in this current party.

Seems like a new low every day to be totally honest.
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I think it feels like it is because I find it hard to sometimes believe these are questions that need to be asked...

I still find it mad that my partner who is Mauritian/British can just have her citizenship revoked despite being born here.

EDIT: @The Corinthian - that's the one!
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
An ode?…

Yes I used London Transport and have done for two decades. It’s only ever got better at a time that nationals services have got progressively worse.

We have one of the best transport systems on the planet and some of the best cycling infrastructure that’s only getting better. I’ll talk a lot of shit about this godforsaken isle, but we move millions of people round exceptionally well.

We need less car journeys, less pollution, increased public health and money spent on people, not cars.

Sadiq’s point was so simple to understand. Try to listen again instead of just cherry picking and misrepresenting.
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Except it literally hasn’t got better. They’ve cut bus routes down, completely cut out entire bus routes. And we’re literally in the middle of some of the most prolonged strikes in tube and rail history.
We’ve seen the highest amount of cancellations on record in a month since records began. Prices for travel is also at its highest. On what planet is a service getting better when it’s charging people more and factually producing a more unreliable service in terms of delays and cancellations.
Our transport should be the best on the planet, with the amount of fecking money that goes into it. It still needs to be held to a standard.

“Sadiqs point was so simple to understand”
I don’t think it’s me who needs to rewatch the video. He doesn’t make any point . Essentially gaslighting anyone who turned up there with valid qualms against ulez by telling them they’re in cahoots with the far right, covid deniers and anti vaxxers.
A common Sadiq Khan tactic…..

We need less car journeys, less pollution, increased public health and money spent on people, not cars.
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Nobody said that shouldn’t be the case. I didn’t say it, it wasn’t my point with the post either. I don’t drive in inner London, my car would be ulez compliant. Its not personal to me…

however It’s possible to empathise with people who it may effect, and who’s circumstances might dictate that using their car is cheaper than paying up to 300£ on a monthly travel card or that public transport isn’t actually suitable for their job.

You can think this and then ….not expect those people to be called right wing nut jobs by the mayor of London nonetheless…
 
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Bit if a boring PMQs today in my opinion. Seems the tories immigration smokescreen worked exactly as intended. No idea why the WhatsApp leaks over the past week barely got a mention.
 
Also, despite the obvious fact of her being a malicious lying idiot, why is Braverman simultaneously saying the bill is more than 50% likely to be breaking international law, while claiming it's legal at the same time? The ECHR theories aren't enough in themselves, given if the Tories' latest immigration plan fails they'll piss off their base.
 
Imagine if the nazis were to commit genocide on Jewish people today. With no legal routes to the UK they would just be left to their own devices. And if they did somehow manage to get here, they could be used as slaves.

Mental.

I'd love to know Rachel Rileys opinion on this as I know she has been very vocal about politics and antisemitism in the past. As a prominent antisemitism campaigner she must be absolutely outraged.
 
Setting it up nicely to tear up the ECHR. Say the Europe are trying to stop Britain from protecting its borders, every mouth breather will chant "yeah! Get rid of this stupid European law!" And overnight find that their employer can shit in their mouth and sack them without warning. But it's fine because some evil monster with sharp teeth from a weird sounding country won't be moving to a place near you.
 
If the UK leaves the ECHR they'll join Belarus and Russia as the only two other European nations not signed up. What prestigious company.
It'll also break the Good Friday agreement. Right wing people are so fecking thick.
 
Comparing Suella to the Third Reich is unacceptable. But apparently it's ok to dehumanise asylum seekers and call them a "swarm".
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Comparing Suella to the Third Reich is unacceptable. But apparently it's ok to dehumanise asylum seekers and call them a "swarm".
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It's also OK for Alan Sugar to make comparisons between Jeremy Corbyn and Hitler too.
 
ThehatchetMan said:
Imagine if the nazis were to commit genocide on Jewish people today. With no legal routes to the UK they would just be left to their own devices. And if they did somehow manage to get here, they could be used as slaves.

Mental.

I'd love to know Rachel Rileys opinion on this as I know she has been very vocal about politics and antisemitism in the past. As a prominent antisemitism campaigner she must be absolutely outraged.
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She only cares about Corbyn. No mention from her. No campaigns etc.
 
How did we end up here? We have a government waging cultural war in the open.
 
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