They're going to sign lots of outrageous deals for their mates in the next year. It's horrible to watch, real scorched earth stuff.
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It just goes to show that it's bever been about policy or the what's best for Britain. It's all about staying in power. I can not stress how much I fecking hate the Tory party right now.
At least with Thatcher (another one I disliked) you knew she believed in the policies despite the fact they fecked a lot of us. Now days the Tory party don't seem to believe in anything, just a desperate attempt to grab votes. It's very Trumpesque.
How much Russian cash is sloshing around in the Tory party coffers Rishi?
The only jobs the tories give a feck about are their own.
I just see it as an establishment handover. Look at the frame.
Ban new oil and gas licences
Rely 100% on imports
Protect Russian jobs
Risk UK security
Starmer will then, knowingly, say that he is not "protecting Russian jobs", will diversify (look at all available options) when it comes to oil and gas, and therefore protect UK security. And then people will say, Starmer has betrayed the climate cause (just stop oil). After which, what? Someone else will say, "he doesn't really mean any of it, he just has to say these things because the country is so far right-wing". Predictable clownshow nonsense.
That's pretty accurate to be fair. I'm not saying they've given in as such but I don't think the Tories expect to win anymore. They're trying to minimise seat losses whilst pushing Labour in it's direction.
Ridiculous desperation. Even among Tories 'war.on green' is a dubious policy at best.
The environment is the next battleground for the Tories to distract people from their shit record on pretty much everything they've done to this country. Fanning the culture war flames. ****ing parasites.
Tories basically going full gmb news
His tweets are getting increasingly desperate.
Don't we have an office of fair trading in this country? Probably under the Tory thumb?
People from the Kier Starmer thread, remind me again why you’d prefer more of this to a non-revolutionary Labour leader…
They are swill.
You can think they're both cnuts. One being worse than the other shouldn't really offer too much comfort to those stuck between a rock and a hard place. Not holding the future leader of the country to account doesn't make you clever, it makes you complicit. Demand better from everyone, you owe nobody unquestionable loyalty. Turning a blind eye to one person's lies and u-turns because you prefer them to the other guy isn't the adult behaviour you think it is.
The Tories are so toxic right now that Starmer would still be leading in the polls without trying to emulate their every policy. I don't know why we're pretending the only way Labour can win the next election is by becoming the Tories but just without corruption.
Because it seems large swathes of this country vote for these utter ghouls, not because of loyalty but because of niche issues or personal politics, rarely ideology. Honestly, speaking to the average voter will make you lament democracy, most people are uninformed, thick, and fairly malicious.
Combine all of this with a hostile right-wing press who want to leap on any policy proposal you put forward to these dimwitted masses, lambasting you as out of touch, profligate with the nation's finances, a saboteur, or that you will open the borders to terrorists, etc. What can you do other than not expose your policy positions?
Seriously, the lack of political instinct on "the left" really illuminates why they suck at winning elections and become perpetual campaigners. More comfortable jostling for position for their own benefit than actually obtaining power to be able to legislate. You need to win and the country, so far as I can see it, has large swathes of it that are racist, bigoted, transphobic, xenophobic, despise JSO campaigners, ULEZ, etc.
If the more vocal critiques of the left had their way, they'd promote policies consistently that poll horrifically with the public but are popular at demos and rallies and then act all confused/blame someone else when the population of middle england, flag shaggers rejects you at the ballot box.
There is a lot of truth in this unfortunately. I've said it before on here but my brother wouldn't countenance voting for Labour at the last election because "they want to give free broadband to everyone".
Is being transphobic popular though? It is with some horrible cnuts for sure but I really don't think they're the majority, and even many of the minority won't rank it near the top of their list of things they're worried about when inflation is rampant, energy prices a stitch up, public services are fecked and we're constantly getting robbed by our own government.
Immigration is genuinely something many people care about because they see it as affecting their ability to access services and get well paid jobs. That is reasonable although wrong - public services would be a lot shitter without immigration in fact. It's something that should be addressed by improving public services and investing in the economies of deprived areas, not by cowering away from any sort of fight.
Precisely, trouble with politics is most policies that benefit people are unpopular and you're sharing them in an inherently unfair space (hyper-capitalist, unequal right-wing media, etc).There is a lot of truth in this unfortunately. I've said it before on here but my brother wouldn't countenance voting for Labour at the last election because "they want to give free broadband to everyone".
Well, the Tories will just tell people that Labour will raise their taxes to pay for the broken state and working people will hate this (rightly) because they are at the end of the rope.
There is a Facebook friend of mine. He is had steady work for a number of years but gave it up as he couldn't be arsed and spent a few years on the dole/living off his wife. He then scraped together the cash to buy the lease on a shop. He basically ponsed off people to get the shop fitted out, offering goods in exchange. He is a blagger and would batter people down claiming how great a mate he was.There is a lot of truth in this unfortunately. I've said it before on here but my brother wouldn't countenance voting for Labour at the last election because "they want to give free broadband to everyone".
He despises socialism and is constantly moaning about people getting something for nothing..
Usually the accusation is a confession
I don’t disagree with you, but unfortunately in the political system we have, there are two electable PMs - Sunak & Starmer.
I’m appalled at the roll-backs and u-turns Labour are making but ultimately it’s a binary choice for PM between the two:
- one who made millions taking advantage of the last economic crash and appears to be just as happy with cronyism as Boris Johnson
- one who isn’t a politician really and is doing a bad job of offering anything different policy wise, but offers an expectation of competence in office (rather than Sunak who for example claimed his kids inspired his climate change policies before flipping and doing the exact opposite).
I am a Labour member and part time activistUsually the accusation is a confession
I meant your mate who scrounges but hates scroungers.
So you pull up your big boy pants and go after the Tories for being liars and thieves. Which they demonstrably are. The last manifesto threw out all kinds of random policies - the broadband one being a peak airy fairytale sounding example. It doesn't mean you can't have actual policies though, just keep them limited in number, sensible sounding and fully costed. The Tory mask has slipped even further since then as well.
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The fact is Labour were leading by a huge margin before the latest swings to the right from Starmer. It instantly disproves your points because they were already baked in so there was no need.
People will vote Labour because they're not the Tories. Yes it makes sense not to go with any extreme policies but people had already made peace with Labour traditional values even if they didn't like them.
Ahh with you. Yeah, he is bang at it. I suspect he is under declaring at his shop at the very least.
Yes because polling isn't fickle and swings massively depending on different factors.
Now that the SNP have imploded and also shat the bed (which would be an explosion I suppose?) I really only have the option of voting for Labour. I'm not entirely happy with it but it's definitely not a case of "at least they're not as bad as the Tories". They're far from perfect but they're not at all close to the Tories.
I have yet to hear a Labour politician proudly claim that they're proud to send toddlers to a detention centre because they escaped with their parents from a war torn country. I have yet to hear a Labour politician tell me that the facts I can see with my own eyes are false, that their vested interests in businesses they help fleece the taxpayer during COVID aren't in the public interest, that the independent investigations they failed to quash that show they committed dishonourable acts are just a smear campaign, that treating our fellow humans with respect is "woke".
I haven't heard a Labour politician state that I'm ruining the country because I want a fair pay rise after years of sub-inflation increases (or pay freezes in some cases), whilst simultaneously protecting their rich mates from blame for squirreling away massive profits year on year and driving inflation to eye watering levels in the middle of a crisis. I haven't heard a Labour politician say that I should keep more than I need, and feck anyone who could desperately could do with just a little bit of what I have to feed their families.
I haven't seen a Labour politician bring the House of Commons down to the level of a vicious playground, breeding an echo chamber of hate-filled remarks that demonise and denigrate normal working people who are guilty of simply being different from whatever a "normal" person was twenty years ago.
Labour and the Tories are the same?
I have yet to hear a Labour politician proudly claim that they're proud to send toddlers to a detention centre because they escaped with their parents from a war torn country. I have yet to hear a Labour politician tell me that the facts I can see with my own eyes are false, that their vested interests in businesses they help fleece the taxpayer during COVID aren't in the public interest, that the independent investigations they failed to quash that show they committed dishonourable acts are just a smear campaign, that treating our fellow humans with respect is "woke".
I haven't heard a Labour politician state that I'm ruining the country because I want a fair pay rise after years of sub-inflation increases (or pay freezes in some cases), whilst simultaneously protecting their rich mates from blame for squirreling away massive profits year on year and driving inflation to eye watering levels in the middle of a crisis. I haven't heard a Labour politician say that I should keep more than I need, and feck anyone who could desperately could do with just a little bit of what I have to feed their families.
I haven't seen a Labour politician bring the House of Commons down to the level of a vicious playground, breeding an echo chamber of hate-filled remarks that demonise and denigrate normal working people who are guilty of simply being different from whatever a "normal" person was twenty years ago.
Labour and the Tories are the same?
Hashtag ownthelibs
Labour urges Suella Braverman to ramp up asylum seeker deportations
Labour has urged the government to speed up the process of deporting failed asylum seekers and criticised "12 years of Tory failure" in the immigration system.
Rachel Reeves, the shadow chancellor, said the government needed to clear a backlog removals aimed at people "who have not got a right to be here".
Asked whether she welcomed the Home Secretary's plan to ban the asylum claims, Labour's Ms Reeves told Sky News:
"The problem is the government are not deporting people today, even when their claims have failed.
"What the government need to do is get a grip of the system, process claims quicker, and ensure people who have not got a right to be here are sent home.
"That is not happening today and that is 12 years of Tory failure."
She added: “The Conservatives have been in government for 12 years now and illegal immigration is on the increase, so this is a problem that's been made under their watch.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...eves-immigrant-suella-braverman-b2195904.html
Keir Starmer has said a 19% pay rise for nurses is unaffordable for the government.
Kirsty told him that while MPs have had a near 28% salary increase over the last decade, she has only seen an uplift of two or three percent leaving her struggling and ‘actually losing money’.
Keir replied: “Firstly, thank you for what you do as a nurse, I know how tough it is. My wife works in the NHS so this is a discussion we have almost every night so I do know how hard it is.
“I want to see nurses paid well, under the last Labour government we had two things: fair pay for workers and we didn’t have strikes. Now here we are a few days before Christmas facing the possibility of a strike on Thursday.”
While he confirmed that he wants to see this issue resolved, he added: “I think 19% is more than can be afforded by the government,”
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-sta...or-nurses-is-unaffordable-for-the-government/
Sorry.
So he acknowledges it has a lot to do with energy bills, but wont do anything about their record revenues
Labour urges Suella Braverman to ramp up asylum seeker deportations
Labour has urged the government to speed up the process of deporting failed asylum seekers and criticised "12 years of Tory failure" in the immigration system.
Rachel Reeves, the shadow chancellor, said the government needed to clear a backlog removals aimed at people "who have not got a right to be here".
Asked whether she welcomed the Home Secretary's plan to ban the asylum claims, Labour's Ms Reeves told Sky News:
"The problem is the government are not deporting people today, even when their claims have failed.
"What the government need to do is get a grip of the system, process claims quicker, and ensure people who have not got a right to be here are sent home.
"That is not happening today and that is 12 years of Tory failure."
She added: “The Conservatives have been in government for 12 years now and illegal immigration is on the increase, so this is a problem that's been made under their watch.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...eves-immigrant-suella-braverman-b2195904.html
Keir Starmer has said a 19% pay rise for nurses is unaffordable for the government.
Kirsty told him that while MPs have had a near 28% salary increase over the last decade, she has only seen an uplift of two or three percent leaving her struggling and ‘actually losing money’.
Keir replied: “Firstly, thank you for what you do as a nurse, I know how tough it is. My wife works in the NHS so this is a discussion we have almost every night so I do know how hard it is.
“I want to see nurses paid well, under the last Labour government we had two things: fair pay for workers and we didn’t have strikes. Now here we are a few days before Christmas facing the possibility of a strike on Thursday.”
While he confirmed that he wants to see this issue resolved, he added: “I think 19% is more than can be afforded by the government,”
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-sta...or-nurses-is-unaffordable-for-the-government/
Sorry.
Dammit.
Yeah it’s very grim. I mean the Labour Party membership is million miles better than the Tory party and if Labour winning the next means the Tories getting destroyed than it might be a positive.
But overall I can’t see any massive difference’s in policy between the two parties.
Labour urges Suella Braverman to ramp up asylum seeker deportations
Labour has urged the government to speed up the process of deporting failed asylum seekers and criticised "12 years of Tory failure" in the immigration system.
Rachel Reeves, the shadow chancellor, said the government needed to clear a backlog removals aimed at people "who have not got a right to be here".
Asked whether she welcomed the Home Secretary's plan to ban the asylum claims, Labour's Ms Reeves told Sky News:
"The problem is the government are not deporting people today, even when their claims have failed.
"What the government need to do is get a grip of the system, process claims quicker, and ensure people who have not got a right to be here are sent home.
"That is not happening today and that is 12 years of Tory failure."
She added: “The Conservatives have been in government for 12 years now and illegal immigration is on the increase, so this is a problem that's been made under their watch.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...eves-immigrant-suella-braverman-b2195904.html
Keir Starmer has said a 19% pay rise for nurses is unaffordable for the government.
Kirsty told him that while MPs have had a near 28% salary increase over the last decade, she has only seen an uplift of two or three percent leaving her struggling and ‘actually losing money’.
Keir replied: “Firstly, thank you for what you do as a nurse, I know how tough it is. My wife works in the NHS so this is a discussion we have almost every night so I do know how hard it is.
“I want to see nurses paid well, under the last Labour government we had two things: fair pay for workers and we didn’t have strikes. Now here we are a few days before Christmas facing the possibility of a strike on Thursday.”
While he confirmed that he wants to see this issue resolved, he added: “I think 19% is more than can be afforded by the government,”
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-sta...or-nurses-is-unaffordable-for-the-government/
Sorry.
Sorry but this isn't comparable
Labour urges Suella Braverman to ramp up asylum seeker deportations
Labour has urged the government to speed up the process of deporting failed asylum seekers and criticised "12 years of Tory failure" in the immigration system.
Rachel Reeves, the shadow chancellor, said the government needed to clear a backlog removals aimed at people "who have not got a right to be here".
Asked whether she welcomed the Home Secretary's plan to ban the asylum claims, Labour's Ms Reeves told Sky News:
"The problem is the government are not deporting people today, even when their claims have failed.
"What the government need to do is get a grip of the system, process claims quicker, and ensure people who have not got a right to be here are sent home.
"That is not happening today and that is 12 years of Tory failure."
She added: “The Conservatives have been in government for 12 years now and illegal immigration is on the increase, so this is a problem that's been made under their watch.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...eves-immigrant-suella-braverman-b2195904.html
Keir Starmer has said a 19% pay rise for nurses is unaffordable for the government.
Kirsty told him that while MPs have had a near 28% salary increase over the last decade, she has only seen an uplift of two or three percent leaving her struggling and ‘actually losing money’.
Keir replied: “Firstly, thank you for what you do as a nurse, I know how tough it is. My wife works in the NHS so this is a discussion we have almost every night so I do know how hard it is.
“I want to see nurses paid well, under the last Labour government we had two things: fair pay for workers and we didn’t have strikes. Now here we are a few days before Christmas facing the possibility of a strike on Thursday.”
While he confirmed that he wants to see this issue resolved, he added: “I think 19% is more than can be afforded by the government,”
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-sta...or-nurses-is-unaffordable-for-the-government/
Sorry.
Sad but true.