Westminster Politics

jeff_goldblum said:
I think a party with those policies in a General Election setting would basically guarantee a Labour government.

From 2010 - 2017 we saw a pattern of voter migration in the non-metropolitan North and Midlands from Labour to UKIP in the 2015 election and from UKIP to Tory in 2017. I'd therefore argue that the reactionary right has already largely abandoned Labour and that the impact on their vote-share from the rise of the right has already happened. The vast majority of people who would support the policy platform above were Tory voters in 2017, and in the marginals a decent proportion of them have no partisan allegiance to the Tories, having only voted for them in 2017 as they were the most Brexit-y option.

On that basis, I think an organised Farage-led populist party would hit the Tories a lot harder than it would hit Labour.
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Possibly... Though a unified green libs **** on a remain / rejoin Europe campaign might equally hit labour if they are still playing 4d unicorn chess over brexit
 
sun_tzu said:
So a friend just suggested to me that the brexit party might be a movement set to hang around long after the EU elections
Initially I dismissed it thinking it's a single issue party and once brexit is resolved it will lie dormant again...
He challenged me on that and suggested several populist positions he could see farrage and his party taking and that they would in his opinion poll incredibly well.
He's a fairly smart chap and heavily involved with companies and political parties about how to get their message over and connect with people.
In short a brief manifesto something like this and we may see them as a major political force in Westminster elections
1. 100k immigration visas a year (NHS have priority)- no more under any circumstances
2. Can't hire a foreign worker without first having tried to recruit for a UK citizen
3. NHS is only free for UK citizens all others have to have private insurance or pay in advance if treatment
4. 350m extra to NHS (brexit bus etc)
5. Immigrants convicted of a crime are automatically deported
6. Death penalty reintroduced for certain crimes (e.g. terrorist offences)
7. Benefits only available to UK citizens

Not that I agree with the policies... Indeed I think some would be almost impossible to successfully implement... But that said I think they would be popular amongst some and in a first past the post system possibly popular enough to win a lot of seats

Tldr: farrage is going to be pm and it's gonna be a nasty place to live
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-48327335
Farage will make mincemeat of anyone that doesn't have a robust policy on this one.
 
More funding for the NHS and social care coupled with strict controls introduced for non-healthcare-related migration would sweep a lot of votes from tories and from labour imo. Cuts to foreign aid and reduced/no access to healthcare for non-UK citizens would also be strong goers.

Farage surely has given away too much ammo to use against him on the NHS to be the leader of such a party though, hasn't he?

Then just dangle the no-tuition fee nugget for the kids and hey presto, you're in number 10.
 
esmufc07 said:
There's 206 other countries in the world, I'm sure one of them will take me :)
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Having gone through the visa process in several countries I'd just say good luck with that ... Unless you have a professional qualification that's particularly sought after... Have fek tons of cash or genuinely don't care where you go

Perhaps get out to Europe whilst you can as I think Boris is fairly inevitable in the next 6 months
 
Looking like May could be out by the end of today :eek:





 
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Judging by PMQs i wouldn't be suprised if she was gone this week. I don't think the rest of the party want the vote to happen so they'll act soon.

She's run out of options.
 
Raulduke said:
Looking like May could be out by the end of today :eek:

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Wait, what's the purpose of rules if you can just change them the moment they become undesirable?

No wonder these numpties want to leave the EU.
 
Abizzz said:
Wait, what's the purpose of rules if you can just change them the moment they become undesirable?

No wonder these numpties want to leave the EU.
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Why wouldn't you be able to change a rule? :wenger:
 
Smores said:
Why wouldn't you be able to change a rule? :wenger:
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What's the purpose of the rule if it's changed the moment it becomes relevant? What's the worth of any Tory rule/commitment if they just change it at a whim?

If they fundamentally want to change rules like these they should do so in times when they aren't going to use them. (If they want to maintain any integrity in the public eye at all).
 
Abizzz said:
What's the purpose of the rule if it's changed the moment it becomes relevant? What's the worth of any Tory rule/commitment if they just change it at a whim?

If they fundamentally want to change rules like these they should do so in times when they aren't going to use them. (If they want to maintain any integrity in the public eye at all).
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Conversely what's the purpose of maintaining an irrelevant rule?

The rule is there to stop constant attempts at leadership change to provide stability. Just because there's a majority against the PM doesn't mean they'll be a majority to override the rule (although in this case i expect it will).
 
Adisa said:
Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
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probably - but quite possibly not till August / September - once the leadership contest is done... not leaving any time for any renegotiating and allowing a wto terms hard brexit by default (or machiavellian design)
Its hard to imagine him bringing back any version of the WAB which would then allow people to ammend and try to block brexit...
plan must be get the bill pulled by booting may and use the leadership election to run the clock down
Even if May makes it through today (and she might not) the EU election results will finish her off on thursdy / friday
seems the only real question is does she remain PM whilst a new leader is elected or immediatley step down and they put an interim in charge... at a guess leadsom?
 
Smores said:
Conversely what's the purpose of maintaining an irrelevant rule?

The rule is there to stop constant attempts at leadership change to provide stability. Just because there's a majority against the PM doesn't mean they'll be a majority to override the rule (although in this case i expect it will).
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But the rule is relevant because of your second sentence... They had a vote to get rid of her a couple of months ago. If Boris becomes PM via this will his detractors start leadership challenges every other month?

At some point the UK will need a functional government again.
 
esmufc07 said:
If Farage becomes PM I would genuinely move out of the country. Him or Boris, in fact.
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No chance of Farage. His Brexit Party are only interested in that issue.
Now. Boris eh. You may have to start packing soon. Just the kind of stupid thing that the Tories would vote for to replace TM.
Someone with integrity and leadership skills.
I might join you...
 
Abizzz said:
But the rule is relevant because of your second sentence... They had a vote to get rid of her a couple of months ago. If Boris becomes PM via this will his detractors start leadership challenges every other month?

At some point the UK will need a functional government again.
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A functional government. That would be nice.
 
Sky reporter Jon Craig:
Very senior MP tells me the word from the Cabinet corridor in the HoC is that the PM will resign tonight, Andrea Leadsom is poised to resign to launch a leadership bid, others may also resign & David Lidington will take over as acting PM. Unconfirmed!
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Do not mention the “C” word.
Could he get in? My god that would spell utter disaster for this country, you think the last couple of years have been entertaining with May, I fear we have seen nothing yet if Labour get in thanks to the incompetence of this current bunch of Tory idiots led by the prime incompetent herself.
 
Melville Red said:
Do not mention the “C” word.
Could he get in? My god that would spell utter disaster for this country, you think the last couple of years have been entertaining with May, I fear we have seen nothing yet if Labour get in thanks to the incompetence of this current bunch of Tory idiots led by the prime incompetent herself.
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Zero chance of him becoming Prime Minister.
 
711 said:
Well a party normally gets a 'bounce' from a new leader votes-wise, almost irrespective of who it is. Difficult to imagine at the moment of course, but I wouldn't rule it out. Especially with Jeremy on the other side.
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Doesn’t mean it will stick. Look at Theresa!
 
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