Westminster Politics

sun_tzu said:
Sitting this one out
Will be in the BBC one .... Suspect at least a couple of candidates might drop out by then
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Would be surprised if Raab lasts too much longer, could end up being the first to go. Right now I'd expect an eventual three-way battle between Boris, Hunt and Stewart.
 
Seems like none of these would actually see a no deal through, you can see they are terrified of it. I liked what Rory said, if you admit no deal would be a disaster for our economy, how is it a bargaining tool?
 
LuisNaniencia said:
Seems like none of these would actually see a no deal through, you can see they are terrified of it. I liked what Rory said, if you admit no deal would be a disaster for our economy, how is it a bargaining tool?
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Javid then claimed No Deal is something the EU might 'want to do to the UK', making it one of the worst bargaining tools in the history of civilisation.
 
Dobba said:
Unless he has an absolute shocker, Gove will be in the final 3 ahead of Stewart.
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Gove's likely to poll better than Stewart but I'm thinking how he might approach it from a tactical POV because if he isn't going to win, it may work better for him to drop out and back the candidate he wants to get in.

Stewart hasn't got a chance but may make it further than expected by virtue of being the sole voice on his sort of 'wing' of the party. Even if said wing isn't particularly popular.
 
LuisNaniencia said:
Seems like none of these would actually see a no deal through, you can see they are terrified of it. I liked what Rory said, if you admit no deal would be a disaster for our economy, how is it a bargaining tool?
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Yeah that's the bizarre thing - the very same people who are trying to push no deal as somehow being empowering and a viable solution are the same ones who spent years trying to negotiate a decent deal. If no deal was viable from the start, why was it never considered back then?
 
In the 20 minutes after heralding himself as the man who lead the Leave campaign, Michael Gove has said leaving the EU is about more than 1 man (after someone in the audience suggested Farage led it) and is now talking about the importance of not placing people into groups.
 
Cheesy said:
Would be surprised if Raab lasts too much longer, could end up being the first to go. Right now I'd expect an eventual three-way battle between Boris, Hunt and Stewart.
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Suspect Stewart will finish last in the next round of votes... And I can see javid and raab both withdrawing with the assurance of a good cabinet post from boris
Then it's between hunt and gove to be the anybody but Boris candidate... Suspect it will be gove and then Boris simply has to get through the next few weeks without saying something so bad he looses his massive headstart with the membership .... Not impossible he messes up as it's Boris but I think he really would have to out do himself
 
sun_tzu said:
Suspect Stewart will finish last in the next round of votes... And I can see javid and raab both withdrawing with the assurance of a good cabinet post from boris
Then it's between hunt and gove to be the anybody but Boris candidate... Suspect it will be gove and then Boris simply has to get through the next few weeks without saying something so bad he looses his massive headstart with the membership .... Not impossible he messes up as it's Boris but I think he really would have to out do himself
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I think you're right, yet he seems the most popular with this audience. Probably not Tory enough.
 
Dobba said:
Hunt has seemingly declared war on the elderly.

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Having watched the Tory debate on channel 4 .Just give it to Boris, best of a useless bunch which is not saying much.
 
The thought of a Hunt/Tory death policy is marginally less appealing than Bruegel's skeleton army.
 
dumbo said:
The thought of a Hunt/Tory death policy is marginally less appealing than Bruegel's skeleton army.
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The fact they’re targeting their largest voter base is comforting.
 
Interesting to see Raab use the Maduro/Venezula comparison attack on Rory Stewart. It just shows how transparent and thin their playbook is that even within their own party they jump straight to failed socialism for any non hard right suggestion

Hunt on Corbyn's tweet about the tankers is the same. Claiming he's unfit because he won't side with their ally, well the rest of europe said the same as Corbyn so are they all unfit?

These people are simpletons.
 
Smores said:
Interesting to see Raab use the Maduro/Venezula comparison attack on Rory Stewart. It just shows how transparent and thin their playbook is that even within their own party they jump straight to failed socialism for any non hard right suggestion

Hunt on Corbyn's tweet about the tankers is the same. Claiming he's unfit because he won't side with their ally, well the rest of europe said the same as Corbyn so are they all unfit?

These people are simpletons.
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Maybe, but they are one step away from power and the other 600+ simpletons in the HoC have contributed to that situation, so where do we go from here?
Boris the 'benevolent dictator' looms large, apparently willing to 'do the will of the people' and slay the EU dragon with one blow of his mighty 'No deal' sword (wonder if it will get thrown into the lake afterwards like Excalibur) … wait are we sure this isn't a J K Rowling script?

I feel sorry for Stewart, he has the advantage of being a relatively new face, relatively young (which is where the next but one Government of the UK will go) but everyone outside the Tory party is singing his praises thereby almost guaranteeing whatever chance he might have had will be damaged.
 
Smores said:
Interesting to see Raab use the Maduro/Venezula comparison attack on Rory Stewart. It just shows how transparent and thin their playbook is that even within their own party they jump straight to failed socialism for any non hard right suggestion

Hunt on Corbyn's tweet about the tankers is the same. Claiming he's unfit because he won't side with their ally, well the rest of europe said the same as Corbyn so are they all unfit?

These people are simpletons.
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He must have regurgitated that at least three or four times last night.
 
Smores said:
Interesting to see Raab use the Maduro/Venezula comparison attack on Rory Stewart. It just shows how transparent and thin their playbook is that even within their own party they jump straight to failed socialism for any non hard right suggestion
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It's not socialism that has brought down Venezuela it's corruption. You should read up about it, Raab too.
 
Smores said:
Interesting to see Raab use the Maduro/Venezula comparison attack on Rory Stewart. It just shows how transparent and thin their playbook is that even within their own party they jump straight to failed socialism for any non hard right suggestion

Hunt on Corbyn's tweet about the tankers is the same. Claiming he's unfit because he won't side with their ally, well the rest of europe said the same as Corbyn so are they all unfit?

These people are simpletons.
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On positive side it really shows the tories have nothing at all. In the long term they are completely fecked without huge changes.
 
TheGame said:
Boris also chickening out of the lobby hustings today and people actually want this man to be PM:wenger:
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You wonder how he is going to handle the tough negotiations with the EU when he is too scared to go face to face with his leadership rivals.
 
Stanley Road said:
It's not socialism that has brought down Venezuela it's corruption. You should read up about it, Raab too.
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I know that (although i admittedly don't know that much about it) but it's used to represent failed socialism in tory land. It must resonate with the public too as they wouldn't repeat it otherwise.
 
BobbyManc said:
And he will still be treated by the media as a credible figure. Utterly spineless, devoid of any principles and motivated by nothing other than his own personal prestige. So far Umunna has stated that we should leave the Single Market, he has rejected the idea of a second referendum, and condemned the Lib Dems unequivocally as a party he could never align himself with.

And yet where is he today? A member of the Lib Dems, having spent the past year or so on an "ultra-Remain" platform championing a second referendum. It also exposes a glaring weakness in our political system that he can be voted in by his electorate as a member of the Labour party, leave to form a new party, and now change his mind again and join the Lib Dems, all without triggering a by-election.
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I agree. I also find it hard that we are going to have a new PM without a General Election. We are going to have a PM that was only voted in by a small minority of the population.
 
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