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Pretty common thing to happen with people suffering from social anxiety. But let's be honest, you don't actually think this story is awful because if you did there wouldn't be any need for your little rant at the grieving family members. If you really did care then you would instead blame a system which for the last decade has been attacking the most vulnerable people in Britain but then again maybe just maybe, I'm giving far too much credit to the conservative thought process.
Dam! The tories bringing us back to the 1970's.
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Hardly a rant.
At some point in life, everyone has to take some responsibilty for their family, their friends or those others close to them. Whether the young, the old, the sick, the unemployed, the unfortunates....
It's been more or less like that for thousands of years and remains like that, still, for most people in this world.
The trouble is that in many countries, the younger generations now either don't want to or can't be bothered
You can't just hand over responsibility for the elderly and sick to the state - if every family in the UK did this, then the UK would have thousands of events like this one every week. They wouldn't make headlines and the problem you argue would become even worse because the ' system ' just couldn't cope.
Harsh, but true.
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No, at least within my lifetime he isn't, there was Harold Wilson refusing to get UK troops involved in the Vietnam War in the early 1960's and even before that Anthony Eden in the 1950's refusing to take US advice on not sending troops to seize the Suez Canal after Egypt's Colonel Nasser nationalised it.
After Wilson's refusal on Vietnam, it was widely believed he became a target for the CIA, and in the mid 70's he resigned as PM quite suddenly, seemingly out of the blue! With Eden the Yanks put pressure on him through the UN and he had to backdown and bring the troops home, he resigned as PM soon after.
C'mon....You know I'm not a full blown Conservative by a long, long way.
Having said that, this event is not wholly a problem of recent Conservative Governments but more an example and problem of Modern Society.
No Political Party in the UK ( as they are today ) could cope if required to take full responsibility for everyone who needs help, especially the sick and the elderly.
It would be a mistake to believe that it would be much different with Liberal, Green, or Labour Governments.
And ditto every other First World country.
Some might say that such hyperbolic commentary and outrageous historical comparisons can be dangerous for those they're supposedly protecting, but then everyone here is much more concerned and active against anti-semitism than corbynite scum like me, so it must be fine.
Firstly its a problem of the last decade of Tory government, I hate New Labour more than well anyone but this sort of stuff didn't happen under their watch. Secondly the problem with modern society isn't a lack responsibility but rather we have become so reliant and responsibly for ourselves as individuals that we are completely alienated from each other(With a big old spoon full of capitalist realism for good measure), which means we find it impossible to imagine something as small as a functioning welfare state.
We are so isolated that we turn to blame grieving family members rather than looking at the active negligence of places like DWP(Individuals can change so of course they should be blamed but change in places like DWP well no that's just ''modern society'.). The DWP knew this person had a history of mental illness and knew he was actively avoiding contact and still cut his benefits. What the feck were they expecting to happen ? But todays welfare system is set with one purpose and that is to get as many people off benefits as possible regardless of the outcomes. They knew what was going to be happen to this man and they didn't care(One of the ''strengths of British conservatism is how openly cruel it is).
The fog of capitalist realism is still pretty strong sadly.
Labour confirms plans for new departments and ‘day one’ scrapping of DWP
https://www.civilserviceworld.com/a...s-new-departments-and-‘day-one’-scrapping-dwp
Election 2019: Labour pledges inquiry into seven years of DWP benefit deaths
https://www.disabilitynewsservice.c...quiry-into-seven-years-of-dwp-benefit-deaths/
If you say so....
Everything is nobody's fault but the Conservative Governments' fault in the Socialists' World.
You'll perhaps grow out of it one day, or end up a perpetual Loony Leftie with only the slightest grasp of how the real world works.
Not sure she understands how these things work....
Also this is childish behaviour.
Also this is childish behaviour.
Public money to get it back up and running and then broken up and sold off to the biggest brown bags. Rinse repeat.
It's beyond belief that there's people out there still oblivious to just how hard the Tories have hit people through the DWP. The cruelty to which they and its outsourced firms have enforced upon the disabled is disgusting.
People just don't care is the truth of it.
The impact of austerity is objectively undeniable and the failure to effectively roll out Universal Credit has contributed to deaths throughout the UK. Public services have been slashed for a period of ten years and the statistics (whether it be mental health, education, NHS targets or housing) all confirm the devastating effect they have had.
That’s the real world, I’m afraid. Perhaps it’s you who should try seeing some more of it. Far too many people (somewhat understandably) live in their little bubble; it’s blissful ignorance.
Not an ounce of sympathy from me. Struggling to care.
Well, I must admit, i'm shocked. SHOCKED.Yeah couldn't give a stuff either. I'd like to envisage a future whereby when someone calls the council to moan about something you can answer "Can i ask who you voted for? Oh the Tories, go feck yourself then."
''Modern Society''
The problem is some of these places when seeing the effects of cuts tend to blame Labour councils, instead of the government. There's such a massive disconnect between people hating cuts to services and blaming the government(There's literally a poster on this page who blames ''modern society'' for the cuts to disable benefits).
Granted this is purely anecdotal but the amount times during the last election I heard stories about people having no idea that Boris had being tory mp for a number of years and not a Trump like ''outsider'' and that it is in fact the tories who are in government, was very worrying.
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Yes I know. I posted somewhere about my imbecile of a brother who blames Labour for the food bank crisis. Common sense left the building a long time ago. People now just bend the facts to fit their own point of view.
You prefer I say First World Countries rather than Modern Society ?
I spent most of the last 20odd years working in West Africa. Still go quite frequently as we employ about 200 people there.
Who do you think looks after the sick and the elderly in Nigeria or Angola ? Where there are no DWP or Social Security or Wefare System equivalents in those countries or in all the African countries where I've worked. Compassionate and enlightened employers apart, nobody does. The elderly, the sick, the unemployed and unemployable are helped by family and friends and charities. Not the State. In fact, almost anyone but the State.
So perhaps you're right - occasional failures in the the DWP, cut backs in Local Government spending, increased waiting times at NHS Hospitals, are actually a First World problem. Like poor broadband in your neighbourhood or the Air Conditioning in your house not working very well. They're all things to bitch about because so much else is taken for granted in First World countries and so I'm going to let rip when they're not perfect.
Of course, alternatively you could go live in a Third World country and all these problems , and your anger against the Tories, would actually seem fairly pathetic.
Yes, you're right and I was wrong. It's not Modern Society causing problems - it all depends where you live and your levels of expectation.
I spent most of the last 20odd years working in West Africa. Still go quite frequently as we employ about 200 people there.
Who do you think looks after the sick and the elderly in Nigeria or Angola ? Where there are no DWP or Social Security or Wefare System equivalents in those countries or in all the African countries where I've worked. Compassionate and enlightened employers apart, nobody does. The elderly, the sick, the unemployed and unemployable are helped by family and friends and charities. Not the State. In fact, almost anyone but the State.
So perhaps you're right - occasional failures in the the DWP, cut backs in Local Government spending, increased waiting times at NHS Hospitals, are actually a First World problem. Like poor broadband in your neighbourhood or the Air Conditioning in your house not working very well. They're all things to bitch about because so much else is taken for granted in First World countries and so I'm going to let rip when they're not perfect.
Of course, alternatively you could go live in a Third World country and all these problems , and your anger against the Tories, would actually seem fairly pathetic.
Yes, you're right and I was wrong. It's not Modern Society causing problems - it all depends where you live and your levels of expectation.
Hold on are you really going to have a go at me for being a socialist and then say the effects of capitalism on the global south is a reason to not give a shit about disable people in Britain ?
Just to show how awful your argument is, its the 1700's and I turn to you and say - ''I'm pretty sure the child labour we have is awful and needs to go'' and then you say - ''Well actually I've just spent 20 odd years in America and if you think child labour is bad, they have people as literally slaves. So you're anger towards child labour seem fairly pathetic''.
The awful suffering in the global south isn't justification to ignore the suffering in the west but hey you know whats brilliant about the ''Loony Leftie'' ? You don't have to chose between helping the global south and helping the west, we can do both. So for example we can stop the selling of weapons that get used in the bombing of Yemen and also get rid of the DWP. What a great idea if you actually care about these things, which brings us back to the original point - You don't, you're arguments are just desperate attempts to argue against trying to change things. Its pure nihilism and actually its pretty dull as well.
Let's make a diary note to discuss this again when you've ( 1 ) lived in Third World countries and ( 2 ) are then able to understand how real life works.
Up to you - in six months, six years, when you're in your 50s ??
Up to you - in six months, six years, when you're in your 50s ??
Pro-tip. If your argument has to rely on "we're not as worse off as other people so stop complaining" then you've already lost.
We're lucky that we have a system in place that allows us to pay into a safety net for ourselves and others. You don't get to turn around and say "tough shit you're on your own" whilst we're paying into it. This is the democracy that we've signed up for in this country and comparisons to other nations mean didly squat.
You most certainly can and must for those in need.
Well, yes, but that's a bad thing. Are you suggesting that you actually want the world to be like that?
If people like you were in charge we'd never make progress.
Well said
I am Nigerian. Born and raised there.
I don't think "first world' countries should be comparing themselves with third world countries.
Saying a generation is lazy or whatever cause young people in Nigeria have to take care of their parents doesn't make sense to me.
It's like that in Nigeria cause of the total failure of the political system to provide anything for its citizens. It shouldn't be like that.
It is nothing to be proud of.
I don't think "first world' countries should be comparing themselves with third world countries.
Saying a generation is lazy or whatever cause young people in Nigeria have to take care of their parents doesn't make sense to me.
It's like that in Nigeria cause of the total failure of the political system to provide anything for its citizens. It shouldn't be like that.
It is nothing to be proud of.
Wonder if there will be a cabinet reshuffle and it's ridiculous that its not until April that we get a new Labour leader
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...sts-boycott-no-10-briefing-after-reporter-ban
Political journalists boycott No 10 briefing after reporter ban
Political journalists boycott No 10 briefing after reporter ban
I wonder where the government got this idea from?
You think that's bad? Jamal Kashoggi got brutally murdered. What are we complaining about?
Must've malfunctioned.
The pattern is the same as Trump .Try and shut out the media .Surprised that Sky News , The Mail, Laura Kuenssberg walked out ,but it shows a solidarity which you don't see in the US.
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Shame they didn't show that same solidarity when it was just The Mirror that it happened to during the election campaign.