Westminster Politics

Javid didn't last long- could never tell how much it was him being an idiot versus how much he was just towing the government' line- eg the stuff about 'Johnson's EU departure deal doesn't need an economic impact assessment because it's obviously a good deal.'
 
Javid didn't last long- could never tell how much it was him being an idiot versus how much he was just towing the government' line- eg the stuff about 'Johnson's EU departure deal doesn't need an economic impact assessment because it's obviously a good deal.'

He always looked very uncomfortable with relaying the party lines and i assume this means all his reported clashes with Cummimgs are true.

It's a bad sign for me as it's another testament to the idea that Cummings is running the show and Boris won't run as a moderate.
 
So he does have some principles then.

Difficult to guess the true politics. Cummings hates Javids advisors apparently so that could be behind it. But ultimately, to have a completely separate team each behind the PM and the Chancellor is bound to cause ructions and it makes sense for there to be a single team supporting both.
 
Difficult to guess the true politics. Cummings hates Javids advisors apparently so that could be behind it. But ultimately, to have a completely separate team each behind the PM and the Chancellor is bound to cause ructions and it makes sense for there to be a single team supporting both.

Alternative viewpoint - ministers should be free to choose their own advisors and a healthy functioning democratic government should welcome opinion and debate with a variety of people from various backgrounds who they may or may not agree with. Choosing to pose a united front to the public/media is a given but in order to make decisions for the good of the country it's probably not wise to cull any dissenters. That's what communists do.
 
Difficult to guess the true politics. Cummings hates Javids advisors apparently so that could be behind it. But ultimately, to have a completely separate team each behind the PM and the Chancellor is bound to cause ructions and it makes sense for there to be a single team supporting both.

Yeah it really doesn't and that segregation is an important element of our governmental structure. The treasury being quite an integral office needs some autonomy and the ability to challenge central policy. It seems like Javid and his advisers saying no is the main reason he's got the chop.

We're getting further and further down the populism route. They already constantly attack the civil service and you can guarantee more and more of them will be politicised.

Also how the feck has Sunak got the job beyond being a boot licker over the last year.
 
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Alternative viewpoint - ministers should be free to choose their own advisors and a healthy functioning democratic government should welcome opinion and debate with a variety of people from various backgrounds who they may or may not agree with. Choosing to pose a united front to the public/media is a given but in order to make decisions for the good of the country it's probably not wise to cull any dissenters. That's what communists do.

Chancellor and Prime Minister is so important though. The latter Brown and Blair years were besmirched by conflict while Cameron and Osborne were able to quite effectively implement their legislative agenda as they were in complete alignment.
 
Also how the feck has Sunak got the job beyond being a boot licker over the last year.
Because they don't want a chancellor, they want someone to smile whilst holding a red box, which is why Javid resigned.
 
Well done to Boris for appointing the first and second Asian Chancellors of the Exchequer. This shows the Conservative Party really do care about diversity.
lol
 
Gota hand it to Boris, doesn't want to sack Javid out right, so makes him an offer he's bound to refuse!

Cabinet Ministers be warned, 'feck up' once, answer back, fail to agree or slouch in your chair at meetings and you're out.

Must be great for a PM to have an 80 seat majority and a Dominic (Machiavelli) Cummings in the background
 
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Classic Sajid.
 
No idea why she’s so smug, her and Javid will be our on their arse in the first reshuffle. The positive discrimination is no longer necessary.

Not far off.
 
Yeah it really doesn't and that segregation is an important element of our governmental structure. The treasury being quite an integral office needs some autonomy and the ability to challenge central policy. It seems like Javid and his advisers saying no is the main reason he's got the chop.

We're getting further and further down the populism route. They already constantly attack the civil service and you can guarantee more and more of them will be politicised.

Also how the feck has Sunak got the job beyond being a boot licker over the last year.


Thats a good point I didn’t think of. Thinking it through further I’m not sure that the traditional arrangement offers that much in the way of checks and balances. After all the PM can put a lackey in as Chancellor any time they choose. And set against that is the increased friction you’ll get in the actual business of work. In an environment as time poor as Number 10 that has real world consequences.

But sure, it lowers the scope for dissent of the PM by eliminating a potential power base and while populists are in charge that’s bound to open the door to abuse I suppose.
 

She want to curtail the power of the judiciary.

The Conservatives were so butt hurt that courts insisting that the judiciary voted to invoke Article 50, and the government could not suspend Parliament in order to avoid scrutiny or risking its plans being opposed by Parliament. Now she's on the warpath to dilute their powers.

Basically, more dictatorial government awaits. Fewer checks and balances.
 
He always looked very uncomfortable with relaying the party lines and i assume this means all his reported clashes with Cummimgs are true.

It's a bad sign for me as it's another testament to the idea that Cummings is running the show and Boris won't run as a moderate.

My thoughts as well.
Government by bullying.
 
Cabinet Ministers be warned, 'feck up' once, answer back, fail to agree and you're out.
You've just described the Trump way of ruling.
 
It's a bad sign for me as it's another testament to the idea that Cummings is running the show and Boris won't run as a moderate.
Unelected advisor rules back door. Basically, more power than ministers and probably the cabinet.
 
Unelected advisor rules back door. Basically, more power than ministers and probably the cabinet.

Exactly ministers are supposed to have departmental accountability (i.e. they resign for departmental feck ups) and collective responsibility (they resign as a government for cabinet collective decisions).

Instead we now have ministers afraid to challenge this unelected pillock and being held to account for his decisions!

Even the Tories in here must be worried by how inexperienced the AG and Treasury appointments are.
 
Unelected advisor rules back door. Basically, more power than ministers and probably the cabinet.

Well. The country voted for a strong leader.
So. I give you Dominic Cummings. The unelected leader of the Tory party.

Oh. And Boris. I would watch your back in future. If you don't do as you are told, you could be next (hopefully).
 
Fourth NI Secretary in five years.
In that time we've also seen
7 Work and Pensions Secretaries
6 Culture Secretaries
6 Secretaries of State for International Development
5 Justice Secretaries
5 Environment Secretaries
4 Defence Secretaries
4 Education Secretaries
6 Community Secretaries
 
Fourth NI Secretary in five years.
In that time we've also seen
7 Work and Pensions Secretaries
6 Culture Secretaries
6 Secretaries of State for International Development
5 Justice Secretaries
5 Environment Secretaries
4 Defence Secretaries
4 Education Secretaries
6 Community Secretaries

5 Cantonas!
 
You've just described the Trump way of ruling.

Yes. Theory 'X' style of management, i.e.

*Primary form of man management is to kick everybody's ar*e every day, whether they need it or not;
*take no prisoners;
*adopt permanently the "you are for us or you're against us" stance;
*keep everybody guessing, even your allies, (sometimes especially your allies);i
*"Its my way or the highway" (rule of thumb):
*all the above, etc.

Actually it can work... for a while anyway, especially in emergency situations, or when a politician is consistently in 'campaign-mode' (see D Trump). Enemies fall for it, at least for a while, the more they attack you the stronger you get, eventually they tumble to the fact you are the embodiment of theory X and back off. With no enemy to face, nothing to rally the troops, those suffering the ar*e kicking begin to wonder 'what's it all for'? The rots sets in the end comes quickly( or at the next election if you are a politician).

Donald's and Boris's stars are tied together!
 
Yes. Theory 'X' style of management, i.e.

*Primary form of man management is to kick everybody's ar*e every day, whether they need it or not;
*take no prisoners;
*adopt permanently the "you are for us or you're against us" stance;
*keep everybody guessing, even your allies, (sometimes especially your allies);i
*"Its my way or the highway" (rule of thumb):
*all the above, etc.

Actually it can work... for a while anyway, especially in emergency situations, or when a politician is consistently in 'campaign-mode' (see D Trump). Enemies fall for it, at least for a while, the more they attack you the stronger you get, eventually they tumble to the fact you are the embodiment of theory X and back off. With no enemy to face, nothing to rally the troops, those suffering the ar*e kicking begin to wonder 'what's it all for'? The rots sets in the end comes quickly( or at the next election if you are a politician).

Donald's and Boris's stars are tied together!
Its quite covert in Boris because you wouldn’t assume that his nature is one of a theory X manager.....he’s always had the affable buffoon charisma thing. That’s why Cummings is there, who obviously does all the bastard side for him