Aye. From what my far more qualified friend tells me, getting to a 3 year threshold gives him oodles more pension and privileges.
I’ve been too busy to check it. But his 3 years is just a few weeks away.
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Aye. From what my far more qualified friend tells me, getting to a 3 year threshold gives him oodles more pension and privileges.
I’ve been too busy to check it. But his 3 years is just a few weeks away.
Huh? He torches the reputation and standing of every single person around him, whenever he needs to. All the time. Who has he been loyal to exactly? Ever?
The full sentence “ And he’s done that either out of loyalty, or not caring or naivety etc even when he could have turned on so many and secured his own position and popularity.
Pay attention to the “or”.. I can’t read his mind so don’t know why he carried on doing something even when it became detrimental to himself and if he couldn’t see it any advisor would have told him, especially with the final case.
My only guess is that for whatever motive it’s a part of his character that he can’t strategically utilise and implement when it’s right and go against at other times.
Completely unrelated, not making a moral equivalence. Like people who never accept financial help from anyone. Can be a good thing stops them getting into debt etc. But when they are really in a bad situation and they refuse help, from say a wealthy family/friend, it can become detrimental to themselves if they end up losing their house or getting involved in crime
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but if he resigns as PM does he lose all his PM pensions and such, so it's in his interest to allow the next Tory cnut to replace him at number 10 than walk?
Nope. If he hangs on until July 24th he gets a pension bump. As I understand.
Yes he is that. But even he is less damaging to the country than Boris, who in his speech today was blaming everyone else for his own failings
Just goes to confirm how dim they actually are.
They couldn't wait to get rid of him only to say that they want their jobs back, under Boris.
Meanwhile, Paul Bristow, Tory MP for Peterborough and member of the Government, has had other priorities today:
Alastair Campbell on Question Time tonight should be good craic.
Thought that was Michael Gove.
Nothing is forever and politics is cyclic. People have very short memories.
And the Tories are still in power with a new leader to be elected.
Much as I detest the Tories, detest them with a passion, they are very good at winning elections.
So they are still very much alive and very much kicking.
Labour has a very long way to go yet.
Are the BBC going to be filling the QT audience with Boris fans to be neutral?
Hypothetically speaking. If Boris refuses to leave number 10 when the next PM is in place. Does the government have to go through normal court process and wait months and months and months to get him evicted? Or do the armed police just go in and drag him out?
Oh, I was criticising the opposition. Forever making the Perfect the enemy of the good.
All of them are out for themselves. It’s unbearable.
Don't they always?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/tomp...t-leaders-act-like-strong-leaders/amp/?espv=1
Authoritarians almost always surround themselves with weak, incompetent, often compromised (i.e. in some way blackmailable) people. They know these people will be loyal to them because they know they wouldn't get the same opportunities and loyalty from a strong, open leader. Someone like Nadine Dorries is a classic example of this in action - she's so thick, so incompetent, so appalling on both a personal and professional level, that nobody else on earth will ever appoint her a minister again. That is how you know she has to be loyal to you.
They are foolish to let him carry on. It was unbelievable that he was ever considered suitable to lead the Conservative party never mind the country. I've had the unfortunate experience of dealing with people like Johnson. There is only one way to deal with them. People who pander to people like him will always be treated with contempt, that includes his fellow MPs and the electorate.
Today is a proud day for us Peterborians
I wonder if Chris Pincher will ask to see The Worm?
80 seat majority. These people care about power. Not popularity. In their terms, they’re doing what’s beneficial for them. Not what’s best for us.
Without doubt. These MP's who have stuck with him, for their own individual careers, yes, but who have been and will continue to be treated like fools by Johnson protecting him in the media etc. He's surrounded himself by incompetents and lapdogs deliberately. Their future careers after Johnson may be non-existent in future cabinets by sticking with him now.
Edit: The other reason I said that was, like your other posts, Johnson will string this out as long as he possibly can and also still has the same powers. People like him are capable of anything if not stopped. The Conservative Party would be wise to finish him off next week for their own sakes, never mind the electorate.
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Looks like May is enjoying herself!
Politicians, what a load of cnuts.
Gove getting sacked amongst the wave of resignations will always be hilarious.
Feels less like he's resigned and more he's given his notice. One month for every year as PM?
Feel like BJ could have been a bit more creative with his makeshift cabinet. Give May the Agriculture job, Hancock home office, Mogg Northern Ireland. You know, have a bit of fun with it like it's the end of term.
Good lord I forget every week that Fiona Bruce is the absolute pits.
Sad but this is exactly what happens.
You seem to be overlooking the fact that in that time, Boris did a lot of shit that “his boys/gals” backed him on. And they did it for the same reason he did it. It was politically useful. The idea that Boris’ downfall is because of his unfailing loyalty in his people is demonstrably wrong on so many levels…fecking commendable behaviour ffs
Can you imagine the Tories choosing Ben Wallace. The guys a dour sod and Starmer suddenly comes across as bubbly and charismatic if you compare the two.
Personally think this country needs boring in leadership.
General elections are pretty much popularity contests, when they should be about policy and how said policies effect you. We are literally a society in which how you eat a bacon sandwich makes news and effects your campaign.
You seem to be overlooking the fact that in that time, Boris did a lot of shit that “his boys/gals” backed him on. And they did it for the same reason he did it. It was politically useful. The idea that Boris’ downfall is because of his unfailing loyalty in his people is demonstrably wrong on so many levels…fecking commendable behaviour ffs
I’m not a fan of Boris but the things usually levelled at him directly are mostly to do with him lying about the £300m for the NHS, broken promises regarding the Brexit deal, and his personal life, his offensive writing and comments etc but none were deemed bad enough to oust him from PM. There might be other things I’m not aware of.
There was the lockdown violation that he got a fine for and most people quickly forgot about, granted Ukraine happened so that might have actually diverted peoples attention.
If Boris had handled Cummings, Priti, Rishi and obviously above all else Pincher differently and the way he should have been handled. I don’t think anything Boris has done himself is deemed offensive or incompetent enough by a sufficient amount of people to force him out. If it was he would have already been out.
It’s actually a sad state of how low this country has come when such incompetence and support for corruption was allowed to lead for so long.
Huh? Even people I know that voted Tory want him gone.
No because the Tory party is filled with equally odious and immoral wankers who were prepared to turn a blind eye until his feckwittery looked like costing them government and/or their seat.
Agreed but it should hardly be a surprise. Then again many seem genuinely surprised that Brexit turned out to be a clusterfeck of epic proportions and that a know liar carried on lying when made PM.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I just couldn't forgive him for his antics during the EU referendum. We know that:
- He only campaigned to leave, as he noted that around / at least two thirds of Tory party members supported leave at the time, and so he determined that it was better for his chances of winning a party leadership contest and becoming PM. Numerous people within the party who have known him for a very long time confirmed that before his public announcement he never once indicated that he wanted to leave the EU.
- He didn't actually want to win the referendum and leave the EU. He was hoping for the expected outcome which as a narrow remain win. Cameron's authority would still have been heavily weakened following the bitter in-fighting within the party during the campaign (he wouldn't have resigned immediately but his expected departure would still have surely been brought forward from 2019-2020), and he'd be in pole position to replace him without having to clean up the huge mess of a leave victory.
He is worse than Farage (who I also despise) as far as I'm concerned. At least Farage genuinely wanted to leave the EU, and for at least 2 decades before the referendum including when is nothing more than a fringe movement. Johnson didn't
So he treated the most important UK-wide democratic event in many of our lifetimes, far more important than any general election (for people in Scotland the 2014 Indy Ref was of course bigger and maybe the 1997 devolution one as well), as a political game, and contributed massively to leading the country to a castrophic act of unnecessary self harm.
I just couldn't forgive him for his antics during the EU referendum. We know that:
- He only campaigned to leave, as he noted that around / at least two thirds of Tory party members supported leave at the time, and so he determined that it was better for his chances of winning a party leadership contest and becoming PM. Numerous people within the party who have known him for a very long time confirmed that before his public announcement he never once indicated that he wanted to leave the EU.
- He didn't actually want to win the referendum and leave the EU. He was hoping for the expected outcome which as a narrow remain win. Cameron's authority would still have been heavily weakened following the bitter in-fighting within the party during the campaign (he wouldn't have resigned immediately but his expected departure would still have surely been brought forward from 2019-2020), and he'd be in pole position to replace him without having to clean up the huge mess of a leave victory.
He is worse than Farage (who I also despise) as far as I'm concerned. At least Farage genuinely wanted to leave the EU, and for at least 2 decades before the referendum including when is nothing more than a fringe movement. Johnson didn't
So he treated the most important UK-wide democratic event in many of our lifetimes, far more important than any general election (for people in Scotland the 2014 Indy Ref was of course bigger and maybe the 1997 devolution one as well), as a political game, and contributed massively to leading the country to a castrophic act of unnecessary self harm.