They've put some whoppers in charge of this PR ad campaign.
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There’s not even an offence of “possession of a firearm with intent to harm”.
If you fast forward six years and say Labour wins the GE next year.
From the outside Labour look like a very slightly less incompetent and evil version of the current Tory government.
However, when you're approaching the subsequent GE in say 2029 is Starmer going to reverse all or any of the things that have been and will be put in place before the next GE.
As the next few years are going to be much tougher than the last few years, yep good old Brexit amongst other things, Starmer is unlikely to get re-elected in 2029 - so is all this Tory-lite and daren't mention Brexit going to be complete waste of time as the Tories will undoubtedly be back in 2029. Or is it because Starmer just wants to be PM and couldn't give a t*ss about principles or the country and spend five years trying to placate the same people who voted to get the UK in this mess?
Both parties are awful and nobody has the guts to do anything about it. In fifty years time future generations will be having the same discussions and nothing will have changed.
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I fear that unless everyone votes strategically this time around, splitting the vote is not going to be enough
Labour putting out unsubstantiated claims in ad campaigns has got everyone talking about it... as intended I'm sure.
I don't really get or like the ad- there are so many better attack lines, eg the NHS.
A large part of me doesn't give a shit though, particularly when you remember stuff like this.
A large part of me doesn't give a shit though, particularly when you remember stuff like this.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...tarmer-after-unproven-savile-claims-br0nd67cv
Aye, similar thoughts here. I'd rather they didn't try and label it as a Sunak thing rather than a Tory thing as well.
But when Sunak comes out with the following every week it's hard to care: https://www.upday.com/uk/rishi-sunak-pmqs-amid-asylum-seekers-criticism
The good thing about this ad fiasco is that from now on we'll surely finally see high levels of scrutiny over unsubstantiated and/or calumnious claims made by all political parties and their members.
Benton must've really pissed someone off at the Times
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If you don't know by now that Starmer will say anything, but then renege on it at the first opportunity, then you need to look into all his broken promises over the last 3-4 years.
In addition to that, the policies are weak - hardly a large vision. Just a slight tweak on the Tories.
We have a choice, Victorian era Tories or Authoritarian liar Starmer who silences and purges any voices who dare to question him. Not to mention he now has the same corporate funding sources as the Tories after alienating many Labour members.
Yes, we need the Tories out, but within a few years of Starmer as PM the dissatisfaction with him will be just as large. The fault lies with Starmer for this lack of trust in him.
Way I see it, starmers job is to get the foot in the door and get labour elected. I don't see him lasting as PM but I do see him getting labour elected, then eventually standing down. Think someone more "left" will take over at that point and we'll see more left policies.
Home Office admits no evidence to support key claim on small boat crossings
UK government concedes it cannot substantiate assertion that majority crossing Channel are economic migrants
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-to-support-key-claim-on-small-boat-crossings
UK government concedes it cannot substantiate assertion that majority crossing Channel are economic migrants
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-to-support-key-claim-on-small-boat-crossings
If the tories are the benchmark we're using to judge starmer then god help us all. You may as well replace Starmer with Lord Buckethead in your sentence.
When others suggest they’d happily have another 5yrs of this story government because Starmer isn’t squeaky clean then you have to highlight issue like those above.
When others are happy to have starmer simply because he isn't a tory then this also needs to be highlighted.
Without the promise of the dramatic reforms we need, a Labour government headed up by Starmer could very easily lose the election after next. And the classic lines "they're all as bad as each other" will never be truer.
What is it about Starmers vision that has you in such strong support?
"Don't vote for Labour because if they win they might not win again in five years" is certainly a new one for me.
She probably printed off the only copy and ate it under her bridge, the fecking troll.
I haven't said not to vote Labour.
All I'm saying is that this election is being handed to labour on the plate. Labour are where they are in the polls through tory incompetence rather than through Starmers supiority.
I reckon labour could change leader tomorrow and still be well ahead in the polls.
There are many things starmer has said and done which I don't agree with and I don't believe his views are what id call left wing either.
Labour lost the last election primarily due to media manipulation and as such the tories have alot of power through the right wing press. But even this isnt enough to cover up the recent corruption and get the public on side. But boy oh boy they still do try their damnest.
I don't have confidence in starmer delivering what is needed. And as such I believe the election after next, and those there after, could be a real challenge. Having just experienced 13 years of tory austerity, this is something to be concerned about.
Too many people are too fixated on labour winning the next election and little all else. Boris Johnson could be leading the party and certain individuals would still vote them.
As Starmer has said many times on PMQs "country over party" for me.
Both can be big cnuts.
I wouldn't vote Tory. I'd like to be able to hold my nose and vote Starmer, but he makes it more difficult with every passing month.
Not voting for Starmers Labour does not mean others would "happily have another 5 years of this Tory government". It means Starmer has either not done enough to win their vote or has alienated historical Labour supporters.
I’m afraid in the two-party, FPTP system that we have, not voting Labour / not voting strategically to get the Tories out is ‘happily having another 5 years of this story government’.
No fringe party is getting in to a coalition with any meaningful say.
Yeah, sure, we’d all like Starmer to be better than he is, but he’s what we’ve got right now as the only alternative to this gang of corrupt scumbags.
So you ask, is Starmer’s Labour an improvement (no matter how small you think it might be. I personally believe getting the government to actually do its job would be a marked improvement)?
If it is then you vote for it.
Then at the next election you vote for the next best option, then the next and the next.
This country does not do radical shifts, especially to the Left. The best we can hope for is incremental improvement.
A perfectly normal government in perfectly normal times!
I don't think that's the case. If all Starmer is offering is a slightly different version of what's happening under the Tories, you could imagine the people he's trying to suck up will say, we may as well have the real thing.
If the country aren't sick of what has been happening with the Tories and Starmer only wants to please the xenophobes and Brexiters and hopes he can win their votes, the country's a lost cause anyway.
Why not be radical and do things that are good for the country and if the leader had any gumption or character, he could try and convince them. Still 18 months to go, wasted 3 years so far. Starmer is probably the most hopeless leader Labour have had since the war. And that's saying something.
Appropriate...
Raw sewage being dumped in environment secretary Therese Coffey’s own constituency
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sewage-dumping-therese-coffey-b2315522.html
Raw sewage being dumped in environment secretary Therese Coffey’s own constituency
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sewage-dumping-therese-coffey-b2315522.html
Well said.
Well said also.
Those who vote starmer simply because he's labour are no better than the tory voters who will vote a tory simply because they're tory.
I'm still yet to here Jeri come through and tell us the reasons to vote starmer.
Starmer is not a particularly likeable person in my view.
But to give him credit, he has done a lot to make Labour more electable than for a few years.
He is very well aware that his party has to appeal to a much wider proportion of the voting public.
That is just the reality.
Didn't Macron try to do something radical with the pension age and got something of a kicking.
Modern politics in the UK and I get the impression in so many other countries is run by pretty awful grey politicians. No character and lacking in morale standards.
But I am afraid that the old saying is still true.
You get the government you deserve.
Macron did what many governments for years in France have tried to do which is to bring the pension age in line with the modern world. He had the guts to follow through with it. Voted for Macron and would vote for him again if he could run. The problem France has is the morons in opposition like Mélenchon and Le Pen who are populists and are of no substance, one far left and one far right and never the twain shall meet. Fortunately neither of them have got to power, thus far. That would really be a disaster if anyone like them got into power.
Thats what politics is nowadays.
" the party X in power is shit, vote against them voting for us"
Is not about voting for but voting against. Because all politi al parties are shit
" the party X in power is shit, vote against them voting for us"
Is not about voting for but voting against. Because all politi al parties are shit
I’m voting Starmer because he’s the competent option of the two.
One is currently, actively bleeding this country dry and has been for 13yrs. Hospitals, libraries, sure start programs, all closed down. The basic tenets and covenants of being in government are not being met.
I believe Starmer would take the office of Prime Minister more seriously than any of the last 3 PMs and any member of the current cabinet.
I believe Starmer would TRY to have the government commit to its purpose, within the economic framework we’re in right now.
I believe, with his Shadow Cabinet, that there are enough honest politicians to TRY to implement policies they’ve laid out (FSM extensions etc).
I believe that Starmer would implement tougher windfall taxes on oil companies to stop them gouging us, because he and the entire Party have been calling for it for over a year.
I believe he would TRY to make his government work for people, not just HIS people like Sunak, Truss, Johnson, May and Cameron have done.
And I don’t k or how people can’t see that.
I’d highly recommend the episode of Full Disclosure that James O’Brien did with him, you get a much better look at his as a person.
Bodes well for the GE dunnit?
Yvette Cooper was ‘not told’ about Labour’s Sunak attack ad in advance
Shadow home secretary was not consulted about the widely criticised advert that claims Rishi Sunak did not believe in jailing child abusers
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...told-about-labours-sunak-attack-ad-in-advance
Yvette Cooper was ‘not told’ about Labour’s Sunak attack ad in advance
Shadow home secretary was not consulted about the widely criticised advert that claims Rishi Sunak did not believe in jailing child abusers
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...told-about-labours-sunak-attack-ad-in-advance
Absolutely. £58.8bn is an unimaginably large sum of money, whether it was stolen or only lost. How is it not the number one discussion topic? What a world.