Westminster Politics

£86k is a take home of £4800, if your mortgage goes from 16% of your take home to 41% of your take home I can see why you might have to look for more money.

Not that I have sympathy
“Well he shouldn’t have stretched himself when he took out a huge mortgage. He knew interest rates couldn’t stay low forever”

Is what Tories have been saying to homeowners since Truss’ disaster budget decimated the mortgage market.
 
Get Lee around to teach him how to cook three 10p pieces up into a hearty meal. He will be grand.
 
£86k is a take home of £4800, if your mortgage goes from 16% of your take home to 41% of your take home I can see why you might have to look for more money.

Not that I have sympathy

No sympathy here, but sounds like he’s still paying off his divorce and ongoing child maintenance/education as well as some care for his parents based off what I was reading this morning.
 
£86k is a take home of £4800, if your mortgage goes from 16% of your take home to 41% of your take home I can see why you might have to look for more money.

Not that I have sympathy

The job he quit was that of Minister, so the operative wage is £118k, not £86k. That's £6,200 a month, or £4,200 a month after mortgage repayments. £600 shy of his total take home from just being an MP.

Like F-Red said, bloke must have had other payments to make. I guess there's also the chance he's out on his arse at the next election.
 
No sympathy here, but sounds like he’s still paying off his divorce and ongoing child maintenance/education as well as some care for his parents based off what I was reading this morning.

If he couldn’t afford child maintenance…
 
The job he quit was that of Minister, so the operative wage is £118k, not £86k. That's £6,200 a month, or £4,200 a month after mortgage repayments. £600 shy of his total take home from just being an MP.

Like F-Red said, bloke must have had other payments to make. I guess there's also the chance he's out on his arse at the next election.
OK, well it's likely cover as he wants to earn more etc.
 
“Well he shouldn’t have stretched himself when he took out a huge mortgage. He knew interest rates couldn’t stay low forever”

Is what Tories have been saying to homeowners since Truss’ disaster budget decimated the mortgage market.
Agree
 
No sympathy here, but sounds like he’s still paying off his divorce and ongoing child maintenance/education as well as some care for his parents based off what I was reading this morning.
I've got child maintenence to pay and a mortgage that his party helped to inflate by 40%, but I don't earn a third of what he's on. Zero sympathy for these feckers.
 
No sympathy here, but sounds like he’s still paying off his divorce and ongoing child maintenance/education as well as some care for his parents based off what I was reading this morning.
He shouldn't have got divorced or had kids then. Sometimes in life you just have to dig in for the greater good. Weather the storm. British flags blowing in the wind. 10p meals.

Just trying to reply with the same shit the Tories do whenever someone poor complains about their hardships.
 
No sympathy here, but sounds like he’s still paying off his divorce and ongoing child maintenance/education as well as some care for his parents based off what I was reading this morning.

as a tory mp, they’ll also be the rent boys.
 
£86k is a take home of £4800, if your mortgage goes from 16% of your take home to 41% of your take home I can see why you might have to look for more money.

Not that I have sympathy

According to the tweet it is 118,600 what is slightly more than 6000 pounds. that is 72000. You spend 24000 in mortgage. That is 48,000 pounds left for the rest of your life. And as someone else points out, his wife has a job also contributing to the mortgage. Also, this mortgages will go down in a couple or 3 years, so nothing that a person in his position and accumulated wealth can't wing it.

Sure, your lifestyle might resent, but hardly a problem to quit the gig
 
According to the tweet it is 118,600 what is slightly more than 6000 pounds. that is 72000. You spend 24000 in mortgage. That is 48,000 pounds left for the rest of your life. And as someone else points out, his wife has a job also contributing to the mortgage. Also, this mortgages will go down in a couple or 3 years, so nothing that a person in his position and accumulated wealth can't wing it.

Sure, your lifestyle might resent, but hardly a problem to quit the gig
Likely a cover/excuse
 


Does this twat and that snake Lammy not realise it's ALREADY too late to worry about us Muslims not voting for them? They could practically give Palestine their own land, government and help rebuild thousands of homes and we would tell this #£*& to feck off. Can he bring back the babies? Yes him specifically, bring back the babies?

He might as well double down and help the Tories and Genocide Joe bombard Syria and Lebanon too.
 
Does this twat and that snake Lammy not realise it's ALREADY too late to worry about us Muslims not voting for them? They could practically give Palestine their own land, government and help rebuild thousands of homes and we would tell this #£*& to feck off. Can he bring back the babies? Yes him specifically, bring back the babies?

He might as well double down and help the Tories and Genocide Joe bombard Syria and Lebanon too.
They're in damage mode.

'We've got a responsibility to recognise a Palestinian state...'

'…and we need to work around the Israeli government because they have shown they're not partners for peace',
 
They're in damage mode.



They're in damage mode.




It’s pretty fair to be honest. With my girlfriend being ethnically Jewish, and a descendant from a Holocaust death-camp survivor, our relationship has taken a hit since October 7th. She’s a politically motivated trailblazer and is 100% behind Palestine and resolutely anti-Zionist and hates Netanyahu…. But me wading in with big stompy boots after two weeks… nah. She wasn’t having it.

She’s taken her time to reset and we’ve attended the last 4 London marches together.

That’s two people, working out their tricky shit, in private.

Trying to wrangle a political party that’s spread across the totality of the UK, talking, deciding on next steps… it’s impressive that the party has been able to (mostly) sing from a neutral hymn sheet (a garbage hymn sheet In my opinion) and not react and change tact day to day. Thatwhat I need, want and expect from my government.

Streeting… I blow hot and cold on. Hearts in the right place but not in the same place as mine.

I don’t much like the fact that their responses seem to be dictated by polling. But also understand that they need to get elected.

I do truly believe that if they were in power right now, they’d be condemning Israel in the strongest terms. I actually think that we might be leading the western world in that opposition too.
 
Labour would have fundamentally different views if they held government power isn’t exactly a positive argument.

We all correctly laughed at Tory voters for thinking Boris solve brexit. But centre left people thinking Starmer will turn into Olof Palme when elected is just as laughable.
 
Labour would have fundamentally different views if they held government power isn’t exactly a positive argument.

We all correctly laughed at Tory voters for thinking Boris solve brexit. But centre left people thinking Starmer will turn into Olof Palme when elected is just as laughable.

Honestly I wonder if he's the opposite and could actually be more right wing than he's letting on.
 
Labour would have fundamentally different views if they held government power isn’t exactly a positive argument.

We all correctly laughed at Tory voters for thinking Boris solve brexit. But centre left people thinking Starmer will turn into Olof Palme when elected is just as laughable.
I see him more as the man to get labour in who one way or another will leave and make way for someone more left eventually.

Personally I'm fine with that.
 
I see him more as the man to get labour in who one way or another will leave and make way for someone more left eventually.

Personally I'm fine with that.
They will get absolutely feck all done because they will spend their term pandering to the right, terrified of losing their vote next time and guess what… both the right and the centre will have incredibly short memories and forgive the Tories anyway at the following election and the entire Labour government will have been a total waste of time.
 
If Labour condemns Israel, the right wing media and the Tories would be queuing up to bang the anti sematic drum. Rachel Riley would be writing attack tweets all day every day. Labour can do that if it is power but whilst trying to win an election? No chance.

My wife is a Muslim and she gets it, I find it difficult to believe that Muslims in the UK are going to let the Tories win the next election over an opposition party not condemning Israel, which would have no impact on Israel as Labour is not in power and has no power to do anything at this point.
 
If Labour condemns Israel, the right wing media and the Tories would be queuing up to bang the anti sematic drum. Rachel Riley would be writing attack tweets all day every day. Labour can do that if it is power but whilst trying to win an election? No chance.

My wife is a Muslim and she gets it, I find it difficult to believe that Muslims in the UK are going to let the Tories win the next election over an opposition party not condemning Israel, which would have no impact on Israel as Labour is not in power and has no power to do anything at this point.

it’s people wanting excuses to vote conservative or being unable to do anything other than be influenced by the media. happens every election. there’s a reason they keep getting in, because people keep voting for them, even if they say they won’t.
 
Honestly I wonder if he's the opposite and could actually be more right wing than he's letting on.
Yep I’m thinking the same.

I see him more as the man to get labour in who one way or another will leave and make way for someone more left eventually.

Personally I'm fine with that.
If he gets to be PM I don’t think he would leave at all. And imo the issue isn’t just Starmer but the amount of right wing MPs and “left” mps who don’t believe in anything.

Tbh the years between 2015 - 2020 were both a failure at national elections and a failure to fundamentally change the party. It really showed the structural barriers to changing the party. Plus a membership base which is vaguely progressive but has no strong ideological stances.Voting in a knighted sir/former CPS director and expecting left wing policy is very labour brain.
 
Yep I’m thinking the same.


If he gets to be PM I don’t think he would leave at all. And imo the issue isn’t just Starmer but the amount of right wing MPs and “left” mps who don’t believe in anything.

Tbh the years between 2015 - 2020 were both a failure at national elections and a failure to fundamentally change the party. It really showed the structural barriers to changing the party. Plus a membership base which is vaguely progressive but has no strong ideological stances.Voting in a knighted sir/former CPS director and expecting left wing policy is very labour brain.
Yep and Starmer is just basically another Cameron and Johnson empty vessel who has no personal values, just sails along with the prevailing winds of the overwhelmingly right wing press, just in the other side's colours. It's more depressing when you post those old clips of him, which put together made it look like there was potentially a decent leader in there once.
 
Yep and Starmer is just basically another Cameron and Johnson empty vessel who has no personal values, just sails along with the prevailing winds of the overwhelmingly right wing press, just in the other side's colours. It's more depressing when you post those old clips of him, which put together made it look like there was potentially a decent leader in there once.
He was sailing with the prevailing winds of the overwhelmingly left wing Unions to reach Labour leader.
 
Yep I’m thinking the same.


If he gets to be PM I don’t think he would leave at all. And imo the issue isn’t just Starmer but the amount of right wing MPs and “left” mps who don’t believe in anything.

Tbh the years between 2015 - 2020 were both a failure at national elections and a failure to fundamentally change the party. It really showed the structural barriers to changing the party. Plus a membership base which is vaguely progressive but has no strong ideological stances.Voting in a knighted sir/former CPS director and expecting left wing policy is very labour brain.

The day he gets elected his priority becomes re-election. He won't think he can do that by suddenly changing his opinions back to the lies that got him the leadership, he'll absolutely double down.

At least the bankers will be okay.

 
He was sailing with the prevailing winds of the overwhelmingly left wing Unions to reach Labour leader.
Certainly seems that way. My choices this year are voting for a candidate I dislike versus a candidate I despise. I'm sure many others feel the same or despise vs despise more.
 
Labour have been pretty inconsistent with their views on Israel. My local MP Kerry McCarthy has been asking for a peace deal from day one and is still the shadow secretary for climate change. I guess she just hasn't caused a headline on Twitter yet, but that's hardly a reasoning for the party to clamp down on the party line sometimes, but not always.