If she 'got it', there would be no book. It can only damage democrats.
What did Hillary do wrong and what's next for her?
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If she 'got it', there would be no book. It can only damage democrats.
Is this legit? I can't tell nowadays.
What did she do wrong?... she lost!
Pure and simple, if Donald is as bad as many on here make out and Hilary couldn't beat him with a running start (her past employment), perhaps the country 'dodged a bullet' ?
What does she do now... what all politicians do when people stop listening to them, write her memoirs!
Pure and simple, if Donald is as bad as many on here make out and Hilary couldn't beat him with a running start (her past employment), perhaps the country 'dodged a bullet' ?
What does she do now... what all politicians do when people stop listening to them, write her memoirs!
Most qualified candidate ever. Apparently no other candidate has ever been so qualified as to have been parachuted into a safe senate seat with no former elected experience, won that solid blue seat twice with huge financial support, and then served one term as Sec State (Presumably based on her vast 2 term Senate background).
That of course was after she lost a presidential primary to a virtually unknown senator with a name only one letter different to the guy who had destroyed the twin towers, managing to alienate millions of people with a campaign rife with racist dog whistles and a complete lack of charisma or connection to voters. Four years later she carefully prepared for her campaign of reining in the banks by accepting vast sums of money for speeches from them. Then she managed to almost repeat the same feat as her last primary, getting only slightly more of the vote than a septuagenarian socialist from the wild north, who was given about as much chance of getting the nomination as ridiculous TV figure of fun Donald Trump was. Speaking of which..
But yay, I'm with her!
Seriously, can she just feck off now please. The fact half the Democratic party treat her like an angel who has been cruelly robbed of the presidency she twice managed to not win despite being the huge frontrunner is frankly embarrasing. Elizabeth Warren would have walked into the Oval Office with both wings of the party cheering her on, but no apparently we're all sexist bastards because we don't bow down at the Hillary altar and offer adequate worship.
That of course was after she lost a presidential primary to a virtually unknown senator with a name only one letter different to the guy who had destroyed the twin towers, managing to alienate millions of people with a campaign rife with racist dog whistles and a complete lack of charisma or connection to voters. Four years later she carefully prepared for her campaign of reining in the banks by accepting vast sums of money for speeches from them. Then she managed to almost repeat the same feat as her last primary, getting only slightly more of the vote than a septuagenarian socialist from the wild north, who was given about as much chance of getting the nomination as ridiculous TV figure of fun Donald Trump was. Speaking of which..
But yay, I'm with her!
Seriously, can she just feck off now please. The fact half the Democratic party treat her like an angel who has been cruelly robbed of the presidency she twice managed to not win despite being the huge frontrunner is frankly embarrasing. Elizabeth Warren would have walked into the Oval Office with both wings of the party cheering her on, but no apparently we're all sexist bastards because we don't bow down at the Hillary altar and offer adequate worship.
Yes, everything by katereadsbooks is a real screenshot of the book. Replies I don't know.
@Kentonio One of the best rants on the subject.mind you it IS Comey's fault.
After all he did advice her to keep a private server And told her to delete 30 thousand odd emails After a Federal Subpoena.
Clever tactic by the DNC running a candidate who was under Federal investigation. A first.
Oh it is the voters fault she lost....and everyone elses.
Platform? No change.
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Criticising Obama was out of the question in the 2016 primary, interesting how her defence of corporate funding completely falls apart at the mildest question when that isn't the case
Clinton does have a point about her getting criticised for a lot of stuff that Obama got a free pass for (at least from majority of liberals/progressives, only a small section frequently criticised him and almost all are still gagging from him to be president again)
- Clinton gets flack for her time as SoS but Obama owns that too.
- Wall Street donations, Obama got even more money than her. And proceeded not to launch any meaningful prosecutions after 2008 debacle.
- Stance on gay marriage, again Obama took time embrace the change as well.
- Being pro establishment, well Obama pretty much argued in favor of establishment during his second term.
I don't disagree, especially about the Wall Street part.* But she had been using him as a shield throughout the primary, and I thought it's telling that that's the only defence she had. It was a defence Bernie could not beat within the primary, because Obama was and remains popular both in general and especially within the party.
Is Clinton judged harshly compared to Obama? Probably, yes. That can partially be explained like this: she doesn't have his star power and speaking charisma, she has a longer history, and he was relative to others a fairly good president. She was a first lady, senator and a hawkish SoS. The biggest moments for her in those posts were a failed health reform when she had House/Senate majorities, enthusiastic support for Iraq, and intervention in Libya, none of which are good in hindsight. But as you said, that's probably not enough to explain the gap in their popularity...
Does she deserve the scrutiny? Yes!
*apart from Thomas Frank and Krugman who have talked about how quickly Obama decided to pursue the softest line against the banks after he got elected, someone recently linked me to this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/06/opinion/06brooks.html?mcubz=1
David Brooks is a centrist Clinton-hater turned supporter, a nobody in real life but I think Serious People read his column. He wrote an article, by next week Obama assured him that he will always fight against the left, to reduce the welfare state and keep Reagan's dream alive.
Shkreli bail revoked for threatening her
http://nypost.com/2017/09/13/pharma-bro-jailed-after-judge-declares-him-a-danger-to-society/
http://nypost.com/2017/09/13/pharma-bro-jailed-after-judge-declares-him-a-danger-to-society/
The part in bold is the funny part and - entirely coincidentally I'm sure - the lines removed from the guardian's article on the passage. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....linton-what-happened-memoir-donald-trump-1984
Shit headed paper, shit headed person.
Who is this woman impersonating Hillary in the Anderson Cooper interview
Different persona and much more likeable.
Different persona and much more likeable.
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She's looking so much younger than last year.Who is this woman impersonating Hillary in the Anderson Cooper interview
Different persona and much more likeable.
Amazing thread
The fecking panda shite.
This for real? 14 mil.?
She's worth about $100 million. Seriously, never mind what happened, what the feck is wrong with her to be doing that voluntarily.
I expect she will spend the next few years pointing to everything bad that happens under the Donald and saying "but if I had been President that never would have happened" and trying to build a narrative that about her mythical Presidency and all it would have accomplished. Something, that we will never know the truth of, since we can yet create an alternative universe where things turned out differently or can't yet visit that alternative universe if it already exists.
Isn't Cersei a bit of an evil cnut?
I haven't seen the show, but I thought this was funny (assuming this is what happened on GoT):
There there.
I’m seeing her live tomorrow!
You are actually paying money to see her?
I know. But I love politics and all that. Whether I like her or not (I don't, as many will attest to on this forum), she's a pivotal part of history.
Also I'm not one of those 'oh I don't agree with you, so I hate you and think you are stupid' people, but rather, am intrigued and am open to the other side of the debate / argument.
Also seeing Obama at a keynote on Friday (yes, also paid money to do that, even though I am very lukewarm his Presidency overall).
Just back from seeing her. Rather cringe tbh.
Main headlines: Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia....
Felt like a cult, some valid points (let’s talk with everyone even those that disagree rather than just mute them - I’m paraphrasing) but I think she’s less introspective than she feels she is.
The format was uber cringe tho: moderator asking cringe loaded questions to her which she had obviously pre-prepared answers for and that’s about it.
Basically sums it up:
Oh God. She's gone to Canada as well for her book tour huh? For a book that is about what went wrong for her in a US election. She will stop at nothing when it comes to making some quid.
I saw Bill live decades ago, not long after he finished as president. Would like to see her if possible
She's appearing on Ireland's Late Late Show tonight for some hard-hitting questioning.
Obama at lunchtime today!
No other interesting tid bits? I suppose it's bound to be stage managed
Have a good time seeing Obama.
Clinton: Russia Russia Russia....
She just couldn't be magnanimous in defeat. Never touched upon her own shortcomings, but seriously went on and on and on about Russia, Putin, 'Assange is a puppet of Putin' etc.
Almost had a cult like feel to it tbh. Huge cheers when 'we won 3m more votes' - but also 'no one likes or feels comfortable voting for a woman' - so tedious. Called out Trump so many times and basically very very childish. Massively cringe q+a session with pandering loaded questions.
article: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...ampaign-story-with-adoring-toronto-crowd.html
Obama: polished and smooth, very insightful
Great presence about him, great philosophical points about the future of society etc. What went wrong, how we need to talk and be retrospective in our thinking and move forwards. Overall very inspiring and didn't get to the gutter re: abusing Trump, but some smart cheeky comments against. q+a was moderated too, but didn't seem pre-prepared word-for-word (ala Hillary).
article: https://torontolife.com/city/toronto-politics/obama-10000-table-visit-toronto/
As if she's on The One Show
Utterly bizarre experience, but understandable as she was trying to reach a mass audience to promote her new book.
Ordinarily, I'd have bought it, but won't as a protest against her .... Im still mad at her by losing the election and enabling Trump to distort all our realities.
Shame i didn't know she was on the One Show, i work for the Beeb and i could of literally snuck around back and met her, ask her a few questions!
She's on the Graham Norton Show next week. That's going to be really interesting.