What Now For Moyes?

Zoo said:
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TBH it did seem like an odd move, especially when he doesnt speak Spanish. Most coaches that coach in other countries tend to speak the language of said country. Would be a real stubbling block having someone who cant communicate with the players and has to rely solely on a translator... On second thought that would probably suit him to the tee
 
The Man Himself said:
Unless you are Mourinho or Pep, or maybe someone like FSW, who has winning trophies to show, spending year or so out of job is risky for football managers. Every now and then some previously unheard of name will rise to prominence and those who are out of job begin to move down the list. Sociedad is not a bad opportunity for Moyes. Taking up a club near relegation zone, with just a fourth of season done, he has nothing to lose. If he saves them from relegation and gets them back to top half next season, who knows, his stock will rise again. Just sitting around waiting for 'perfect fit' will take him further down the options/priority list as season progresses further.
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I agree to an extent but being an ex-Man Utd manager has quite a lot of stock I'd argue and will make sure his name is "out there" when there's jobs available. He won't just be forgotten about by clubs due to the good job he did at Everton, if a club similar to that needed a manager in 2 years time then I'd be surprised if Moyes wasn't in the frame (assuming he is out of work at that time.)

On the face of things maybe Sociedad wasn't a bad option but again we don't actually know the full story, there could be behind the scenes issues that we're not aware of that put him off. Maybe he does want a good salary, after all he is moving to a new country and lifestyle so it would provide some security. It's easy to judge someone without knowing the full story of it all. The whole point of negotiation is to get what you want if they were miles away from each other then it'll never work.

Kag said:
I don't have a major issue with how highly he personally rates himself. But it doesn't matter what he thinks, it's what potential employers think. If he really wants Champions League football then I don't see him getting that in Spain, England or Germany any time soon. He'll have to go abroad. If this is the case, then he most probably will be on less money, and it's a whole lot easier for a solid British manager to sit on his hands, wait until QPR or Newcastle sack their latest guy, to go and save the day on brilliant wages.
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His opinion on himself is largely irrelevant you're right but then so is the opinion of us lot as well, all that matters is what boards and chairmen think of him. I can see his point in using his mates in the media to make himself look better, it's a good move and 1 which allows him to salvage any damage he did to his reputation at United.

He was rumoured to want to be going to Germany a few years ago. I don't think it's all about money with him really though I'm sure it helps, he always struck me as someone who wanted to be successful with trophies as well. He has had well paid jobs in the past but it's not his fault, he'd be stupid to of turned them down as well.
 
Oggmonster said:
I agree to an extent but being an ex-Man Utd manager has quite a lot of stock I'd argue and will make sure his name is "out there" when there's jobs available. He won't just be forgotten about by clubs due to the good job he did at Everton, if a club similar to that needed a manager in 2 years time then I'd be surprised if Moyes wasn't in the frame (assuming he is out of work at that time.)

On the face of things maybe Sociedad wasn't a bad option but again we don't actually know the full story, there could be behind the scenes issues that we're not aware of that put him off. Maybe he does want a good salary, after all he is moving to a new country and lifestyle so it would provide some security. It's easy to judge someone without knowing the full story of it all. The whole point of negotiation is to get what you want if they were miles away from each other then it'll never work.



His opinion on himself is largely irrelevant you're right but then so is the opinion of us lot as well, all that matters is what boards and chairmen think of him. I can see his point in using his mates in the media to make himself look better, it's a good move and 1 which allows him to salvage any damage he did to his reputation at United.

He was rumoured to want to be going to Germany a few years ago. I don't think it's all about money with him really though I'm sure it helps, he always struck me as someone who wanted to be successful with trophies as well. He has had well paid jobs in the past but it's not his fault, he'd be stupid to of turned them down as well.
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On the first point, yes having United on your CV is worth something however the job he did here puts a huge stain on it. It's not like us, where if we have a big name on our CV it means the world because largely your future employer has very little knowledge about the competence you showed in the job. For Moyes, his failure is public. They know although he was our manager, he also flopped. That will largely negate any positive he has from it. With regards to Everton, yes I agree there. The job he did here won't tarnish that but it will always pose the question on whether he can manage a big club, or take a good club on to being a big club.

To your second point about fan opinion, it does hold weight. Whilst it is just a factor in the selection process, fan opinion plays a role just like any stakeholder. A chairmen wouldn't want to hire a manager who would not satisfy the fans, because it creates problems, particularly of they fail. It could impact their credibility and so the risk of hiring a manager who has just come off such a big humiliation is more risky than other managers who aren't so high profile in terms of ther failings.
 
Oggmonster said:
I agree to an extent but being an ex-Man Utd manager has quite a lot of stock I'd argue and will make sure his name is "out there" when there's jobs available. He won't just be forgotten about by clubs due to the good job he did at Everton, if a club similar to that needed a manager in 2 years time then I'd be surprised if Moyes wasn't in the frame (assuming he is out of work at that time.)

On the face of things maybe Sociedad wasn't a bad option but again we don't actually know the full story, there could be behind the scenes issues that we're not aware of that put him off. Maybe he does want a good salary, after all he is moving to a new country and lifestyle so it would provide some security. It's easy to judge someone without knowing the full story of it all. The whole point of negotiation is to get what you want if they were miles away from each other then it'll never work.
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Ya agree there maybe behind the scene issues and he is best judge for himself but I personally don't have hard feelings for him and hence hope he goes to a club where he can do good and which will help him to move away from constant object of ridicule. Sociedad seems like that kind of club.
 
I doubt he'll get much better in football terms than a biggish Spanish club who were in the CL last season but who are now struggling. Maybe the money is simply too good in the Premier League and he thinks it's better to wait for the sacking season at the likes of Villa or (if Levy's really desperate, which I doubt) Spurs.
 
rpitroda said:
On the first point, yes having United on your CV is worth something however the job he did here puts a huge stain on it. It's not like us, where if we have a big name on our CV it means the world because largely your future employer has very little knowledge about the competence you showed in the job. For Moyes, his failure is public. They know although he was our manager, he also flopped. That will largely negate any positive he has from it. With regards to Everton, yes I agree there. The job he did here won't tarnish that but it will always pose the question on whether he can manage a big club, or take a good club on to being a big club.

To your second point about fan opinion, it does hold weight. Whilst it is just a factor in the selection process, fan opinion plays a role just like any stakeholder. A chairmen wouldn't want to hire a manager who would not satisfy the fans, because it creates problems, particularly of they fail. It could impact their credibility and so the risk of hiring a manager who has just come off such a big humiliation is more risky than other managers who aren't so high profile in terms of ther failings.
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I'd agree it's not exactly something he would brag about, rather the point I was making is that United took a chance on him so I'd expect others may well do as well, it's not as if he failed at every club he's been at. Its just one big stain on his career. I don't think coming here completely ruined his career. He won't be getting the Barcelona job any time soon but I don't think he'll be forgotten about either.

True their opinion does mean something I suppose. I'd be interested how many fans would REALLY object to Moyes though, obviously your massive clubs will do as it'd be a huge step backwards but abroad and smaller teams in England may not view it all as ad as we did. Stranger things have happened in football than Moyes working at a big club again.

The Man Himself said:
Ya agree there maybe behind the scene issues and he is best judge for himself but I personally don't have hard feelings for him and hence hope he goes to a club where he can do good and which will help him to move away from constant object of ridicule. Sociedad seems like that kind of club.
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I'd agree that he could do with a club that wouldn't get much press (in England particularly.) Maybe take a leaf out McClaren's book and rebuild your reputation elsewhere if his idea of getting a CL team fails.
 
Oggmonster said:
I'd agree it's not exactly something he would brag about, rather the point I was making is that United took a chance on him so I'd expect others may well do as well, it's not as if he failed at every club he's been at. Its just one big stain on his career. I don't think coming here completely ruined his career. He won't be getting the Barcelona job any time soon but I don't think he'll be forgotten about either.

True their opinion does mean something I suppose. I'd be interested how many fans would REALLY object to Moyes though, obviously your massive clubs will do as it'd be a huge step backwards but abroad and smaller teams in England may not view it all as ad as we did. Stranger things have happened in football than Moyes working at a big club again.



I'd agree that he could do with a club that wouldn't get much press (in England particularly.) Maybe take a leaf out McClaren's book and rebuild your reputation elsewhere if his idea of getting a CL team fails.
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Fair points, I don't think I disagree with any of that.
 
Confirmed manager of Sociedad apparently.

 
He is going to ruin Sociedad, his style of long ball football wont go down well in La Liga i would imagine.
 
Seems a weird move for him to be honest.
 
OneUnited24 said:
TBH it did seem like an odd move, especially when he doesnt speak Spanish. Most coaches that coach in other countries tend to speak the language of said country. Would be a real stubbling block having someone who cant communicate with the players and has to rely solely on a translator... On second thought that would probably suit him to the tee
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Exactly, a translator will be too hesitant translating some of his schocking and negative quotes word for word and therefore will use his own language which can only be a plus!
 
Excellent move for him. He will learn massive amounts from his time there (regardless of how long it is, the standard of coaching and technique is miles ahead of England). Sociedad should comfortably finish top 10 once they get a bit of confidence and he has been brought in with the initial aim of steering clear of relegation, which should be a breeze given how good their team is in comparison to those currently around them. I think he will try and play more intricate football now. I genuinely think he will have learnt more in his few months at United than in the rest of his career combined. Despite his time at United being a failure it will still help him massively in the new job. Be interesting to see how quickly he picks up the language but given it has been rumoured for months that his next job will be abroad I'd be surprised if he hasn't learn a small amount of Spanish in preparation.
 
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