When the 2022 World Cup is confirmed to take place in Winter...

I remember I made a thread about the problems of a Qatari world cup, vs the positives.. it's an interesting idea. Qatar is so small it will be like a 1 month World Cup Disney Land. All the different countries fans in one place. Their human rights aren't that bad either.

Complete idiots though.
 
Why would the hosts want to move the dates of the World Cup? Playing in summer would give Qatar the ultimate home field advantage. I remember what a mere 98 degrees (F) or so did to the German team on June 27, 1994 in Dallas.
 
FresnoBob said:
Why would the hosts want to move the dates of the World Cup? Playing in summer would give Qatar the ultimate home field advantage. I remember what a mere 98 degrees (F) or so did to the German team on June 27, 1994 in Dallas.
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I dont think the calls to move it are actually coming from Qatar - the last comments I can find from them on the matter:

Qatar 2022 World Cup committee secretary general Hassan Al Thawadi says he is open to hosting football's showpiece event during the winter. ​
Since Qatar was awarded the right to host the 2022 World Cup, debate has raged over temperatures which many consider will be a hinderance to players, officials and spectators, despite air-conditioned stadia. ​
However, Al Thawadi insists the tournament will be held at the most appropriate time, and in accordance with the wishes of the game's stakeholders. ​
"There are significant voices in the football community who are saying winter would be perfect," said Al Thawadi at the FT/IFA Business of Football Summit. ​
"We are willing to have that debate to decide which is the best time. It's the World Cup, it's not Qatar's cup. If we don't sit down and listen to what the world wants, we would be doing an injustice to the World Cup. ​
"The way I see it, a number of people have spoken about their preference for it to move. It would have to be discussed with the football community." ​
Many European clubs, meanwhile, have been opposed to a winter World Cup due to scheduling conflicts, and Al Thawadi also moved to ease fears over mid-year temperatures in the Middle East. ​
"When we bid for the World Cup our intention was always for it to be in June. The weather is not very bad in Doha in June, it's not so bad. ​
"I've had many people come to Qatar during June and it wasn't the horror story people expected, that they would burst in flames. It's not armageddon," he joked. ​
 
When?

Why should it be confirmed for winter. Blatter admitted they probably made a mistake when they gave the WC to Qatar, which means either FIFA made a total ballsup of assessing the bids or they deliberately gave them the WC knowing their bid did not fit the criteria needed. Either way the bids should be re-assessed under the originally specified criteria and the WC given to the most suitable bid. After all it's not as if it's too late to revoke their oriiginal decision is it.

Just because FIFA made a ballsup (deliberate or not) doesn't mean the whole of the footballing world should have to rearrange their schedules. FIFA's "mistake" is for FIFA to correct and they should be urged by the national FAs to correct it as soon as possible.
 
For the Premier Leagues point of view, what do they have to lose to try to sue the feck out of FIFA when this gets announced? Obviously England won't ever get to host another world cup, but thats not anything to do with the Premier League.
 
rcoobc said:
I remember I made a thread about the problems of a Qatari world cup, vs the positives.. it's an interesting idea. Qatar is so small it will be like a 1 month World Cup Disney Land. All the different countries fans in one place. Their human rights aren't that bad either.

Complete idiots though.
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Sounds cute but could easily become a disaster: 1 to 2m people arriving for the world cup would almost double the population instantly.

the other attractive aspect of the bid was the whole shipping the stadiums to poor countries after the world cup. Any updates on that? is it technologically feasible?
 
I would have thought instead of having it in Qatar, they'd host it across the gulf, like they did with South Korea and Japan.

That would have changed things a lot, except the weather.

Qatar is smaller than Kuwait for God's sake (Im Kuwaiti) and I have no idea how any tournament of that scale would be hosted in my country.

Some people speak of corruption as if it doesnt reek on your side of the world as well.

Fifa as a whole reeks of corruption, whats new there.
 
Q80 said:
I would have thought instead of having it in Qatar, they'd host it across the gulf, like they did with South Korea and Japan.

That would have changed things a lot, except the weather.

Qatar is smaller than Kuwait for God's sake (Im Kuwaiti) and I have no idea how any tournament of that scale would be hosted in my country.

Some people speak of corruption as if it doesnt reek on your side of the world as well.

Fifa as a whole reeks of corruption, whats new there.
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It's bad enough having one host who won't qualify for the WC as it is, you think it's a good idea to have multiple hosts who are unlikely to qualify?
 
Cal? said:
It's bad enough having one host who won't qualify for the WC as it is, you think it's a good idea to have multiple hosts who are unlikely to qualify?
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Not necessarily.

Hosting it across but allowing one of them to participate instead of all 7.

Which one of them could be figured out with some planning. Playoff? Highest bidder? etc..
 
It just seems deeply unfair to win the World Cup under a set of conditions including that it be played in the summer, and then to turn around and say 'actually, we lied, we can't host it safely in the summer, you'll have to feck everyone else around to make it happen in the winter instead.'

It's such a highly scrutinised voting system, it seems amazing that they can get away with this shit.
 
Brightonian said:
It just seems deeply unfair to win the World Cup under a set of conditions including that it be played in the summer, and then to turn around and say 'actually, we lied, we can't host it safely in the summer, you'll have to feck everyone else around to make it happen in the winter instead.'

It's such a highly scrutinised voting system, it seems amazing that they can get away with this shit.
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They never said that, did they?

IIRC Qatar are confident they can hold a fine WC in the summer(with climate controlled stadiums), and it's Blatter and co. being twats.
 
Fifa's medical chief will tell next month's landmark meeting to decide on the 2022 World Cup in Qatar that the tournament must be moved to the winter to protect the fans.
Michel D'Hooghe, the chairman of the Fifa's medical committee, will advise the executive committee that the risks of hundreds of thousands of supporters moving between venues in the extreme heat are too great.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...g-over-summer-world-cup-in-qatar-8819719.html
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Must be a newly created post this medical chief. Either that or FIFA have never before thought to ask their own medical staff about the effects of extreme temperature on fans/players.

They obviously never thought to consider temperature during the bidding process........hmmm, or did they.
 
Where was this mystery medical chief when the WC was being played in Dallas, TX, during balls hot summer days? Los Angeles and it's 120-degree on-field temperature (and smog)?

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-07-14/news/ss-15690_1_world-cup

ON A CLEAR DAY, YOU CAN SEE ROW 42: For the Argentina-Romania game at the Rose Bowl, the smog was so bad that it was impossible to see the San Gabriel mountains from seats inside the stadium. For U.S.-Romania, with on-field temperature reaching 120 degrees, the smog nearly wiped out the Romanian players, who scored early and labored to hold on, 1-0. Gheorghe Hagi gasped: "I don't remember such a heat." Oh, come on, Gheorghe, AQMD would probably call it a little late-afternoon haze.

IT WAS HOT IN JUNE AND JULY, WHAT'S NEW?: It doesn't take a meteorological wizard to tell you that if you play a game in the United States in the middle of summer in the middle of the day, it's going to be hot. What's the surprise? The teams didn't know Chicago would be hot in June? Or it would be hot at noon in Orlando? Or that the Rose Bowl is one of the best places on the planet on Jan. 1 and one of the worst on July 1?
 
Next on Blatters agenda: the Winter WC v the Summe WC, gives him an excuse to have 1 every 2 years like he always wanted. Qatar will be the first Winter one...
 
Further to the story linked above...


Blatter said last week that "the loudest critics" were "the ones who should know better because they signed the exact same bidding documents as Qatar did", underlining that the June-July schedule was only "in principle".

He added: "It does not say that it 'must' take place in those months, nor is it a 'conditio sine qua non' [a prerequisite] to host the World Cup in June and July. What the document does is express Fifa's wish to host the World Cup in June or July."

However, it has since emerged that the words "in principle" did not in fact appear in the bidding documents.
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Fifa tells Australia to forget about £25m World Cup bid compensation:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/17/fifa-australia-world-cup-2022
 
Hopefully just the threat of compensation claims kills the idea of having the cup in winter. though knowing fifa, they will just ask qatar to foot the bill.

Either way if Australia do go ahead with it, we are never going to host a world cup. Not that it would have been happening in the next 50 years anyway
 
Would the US reps have the power (combined with some other nations/federations) to file suit against FIFA?

The US also lost out for both bids. And FIFA loves the US (i.e. money) and surely a US-led/backed suit wouldn't end any shot of a hosting a future World Cup. Unless FIFA would happily give up the many millions a US-based World Cup would bring.
 
I think the US should go for compo too.I'd love to see them (the US & Oz) make the Qataris and/or FIFA payout big $$ if they want to move to winter time.
 
Q80 said:
I would have thought instead of having it in Qatar, they'd host it across the gulf, like they did with South Korea and Japan.

That would have changed things a lot, except the weather.

Qatar is smaller than Kuwait for God's sake (Im Kuwaiti) and I have no idea how any tournament of that scale would be hosted in my country.

Some people speak of corruption as if it doesnt reek on your side of the world as well.

Fifa as a whole reeks of corruption, whats new there.
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Yep a there is lot of anglocentric/eurocentric sentiments all over the internet. Hurr Durr, Australia, US, England.. Err..no.
 
Q80 said:
That made absolutely no sense.

Well done sir :p
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A lot of people are advocating the world cup to be held in either Europe or an English speaking nation. Despite the fact that many other nations have adequate resources, and a passion for the game to hold the world cup.

A lot of comments when this issue comes up are in the lines of: The world cup should be held in England/Oz/US/A country that's similar to where I live right now..
 
Everest Red said:
A lot of people are advocating the world cup to be held in either Europe or an English speaking nation. Despite the fact that many other nations have adequate resources, and a passion for the game to hold the world cup.

A lot of comments when this issue comes up are in the lines of: The world cup should be held in England/Oz/US/A country that's similar to where I live right now..
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I don't see people up in arms complaining about the WC in Japan/Korea all those years ago. That's further away from Europe than Qatar.
 
I would love for the major European leagues to tell FIFA to feck off and not alter their fixture calendar. All it would take to screw international football is writing all player contracts to deny players wages during periods in which they are unavailable for official matches due to international "commitments". I'm surprised clubs don't already do it for the ACN. Using the players greed against FIFA's corruption would be delightful.
 
Everest Red said:
A lot of people are advocating the world cup to be held in either Europe or an English speaking nation. Despite the fact that many other nations have adequate resources, and a passion for the game to hold the world cup.

A lot of comments when this issue comes up are in the lines of: The world cup should be held in England/Oz/US/A country that's similar to where I live right now..
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Yeh but its called the "world" cup for a reason, not the English speaking cup, or the European Cup. People in other places around the world deserve to watch the biggest spectacle in world football just as much as people living in Europe / Oz / USA.

Including people in the Middle East and East Asia. It doesnt happen often, that it comes to our side of the world, and the one time it has everybody has been whinging about it :p

The same could be said about people advocating for it to be held on this side of the world if it was indeed help somewhere like USA or Europe.

Dont get me wrong, Ive got nothing against either, Im just saying that people should get off the "change the world cup to somewhere else" bandwagon and just accept that this time, its gonna be different and im personally interested in knowing how the feck its gonna turn out.
 
Cal? said:
I don't see people up in arms complaining about the WC in Japan/Korea all those years ago. That's further away from Europe than Qatar.
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The Internet was not as widespread back then; for all I know, no one is protesting on the streets, everyone is a keyboard warrior.
 
beergod said:
I would love for the major European leagues to tell FIFA to feck off and not alter their fixture calendar. All it would take to screw international football is writing all player contracts to deny players wages during periods in which they are unavailable for official matches due to international "commitments". I'm surprised clubs don't already do it for the ACN. Using the players greed against FIFA's corruption would be delightful.
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Absolutely. Blatter says the world does not have to dance to Europe's tune anymore. Which is true, but it works both ways.

Let the European leagues form their own, non-corrupt, competition, and invite other countries to join it if they wish.
 
Blatter protests too much. Clue: Don King didn't take Heavyweight title-fights to Zaire & the Philippines because he wanted to 'bring boxing to the world'.
 
I don't know how significant this could be, but FOX are said to be livid with FIFA over the fact that they paid $425 Million USD for the TV rights in the US, but will be fecked if the World Cup is moved to winter because it will coincide with a crucial part in the NFL season, which they also broadcast and will take priority over the World Cup with most Americans.
 
Everest Red said:
A lot of people are advocating the world cup to be held in either Europe or an English speaking nation. Despite the fact that many other nations have adequate resources, and a passion for the game to hold the world cup.

A lot of comments when this issue comes up are in the lines of: The world cup should be held in England/Oz/US/A country that's similar to where I live right now..
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I have and I'm sure most people on here have no issues with the cup being held in non-english speaking countries, or ones that culture are totally different. In fact having the different culture I feel enhances the cup as it gives a unique feel to it.

What most people are disagreeing with is a total change to the football calander so that fifa can line it's pockets, when there are arguably options that are just as good that can be played in the current schedule.
 
That and the fact that Qatar is ill equipped to host a summer WC or even a winter one for that matter. It's all about the money, that's what pisses people off. It's got nothing to do with anglo centric ideas .
 
Members have just voted on moving it to Winter. Apparently they were 'all agreed' it could not take place in Summer. So why give it to them in the first place?! Farcical how obvious the corruption and poor decision making is at Fifa. Hope the countries with losing bids take some kind of action on this.
 
Yeah, it' not the fact it is in Qatar, it's the fact there bid won when it so obviously wasn't going to work. And with all the corruption that came about around then, then it makes you think. What is the point in putting a proper world cup bid together if it never had a chance anyway due to corruption.

The fact is, there bid was clearly to host it in the summer, and the problems with their climate would be overcome. It's similar to if they wanted to host but then the country went bankcrupt and can't create the stadiums - then there bid would then become void and it'd go to someone else.
 
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