When the 2022 World Cup is confirmed to take place in Winter...

Blodssvik said:
Don't think they ideally want the tournament in Nov/Dec however. CL group stages would have to be compressed as well or extended until after new year.
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The suggestion was for two consecutive seasons of starting earlier and finishing earlier, so that in the WC year we'd start in, say, beginning of July or late June, and eveything that would usually be done and dusted by mid Dec would be done by the end of Oct. Then probably two to two and a half months off for the tourney (including prep time) and back to business mid to late Jan, running 2 to 4 weeks behind schedule.

Its not just the one year that's fecked. The timings of the CL finals would be something like this

2019 - May (normal)
2020 - April
2021 - March
2022 - June
2023 - May (back to normal)
 
All the European FAs should get together and decide to do an international tournament in the summer of '22, and not bother with the WC. Then if it's all on course and FIFA still don't move the WC, invite the FAs of other continents to join the breakaway tournament and go ahead with it.

This is not only what I want but something I actually see happening in some form or another - a split from FIFA.
 
FIFA is in a shit situation right now. They're muddling on it and try to make something nice or at least less shitty with it.
But the result is still shit. That's what you get whent the whole process is flawed from the very beginning.

But, not in a 1000 years will the FA, La Liga, Bundesliga and Serie A come together and boycott the plans of FIFA.
 
I wish the FA would boycott this tournament along with a few other European nations, but none of them will because none of them have the balls to. Pathetic situation. FIFA and Blatter stick two fingers up at fairness and transparency whilst pocketing nice big cheques, and the rest of the footballing world just blithely carry on as if nothing is untoward.
 
I think this is an absolute sham. Pure corruption.

However a part of me is intrigued as to what will happen to domestic leagues and having a World Cup in winter would be pretty cool (as a one off).
 
Rowem said:
All the European FAs should get together and decide to do an international tournament in the summer of '22, and not bother with the WC. Then if it's all on course and FIFA still don't move the WC, invite the FAs of other continents to join the breakaway tournament and go ahead with it.

This is not only what I want but something I actually see happening in some form or another - a split from FIFA.
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I dont see that the other FAs have the guts. Fifa is hugely powerful, and wont go down without a fight.
 
saivet said:
I think this is an absolute sham. Pure corruption.

However a part of me is intrigued as to what will happen to domestic leagues and having a World Cup in winter would be pretty cool (as a one off).
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It would be interesting to see how England did in a tournament that wasnt at the end of a season without a winter break.
 
What an absolute farce, the European nations should feck it off. Corruption at its finest and they don't care who sees it, Fifa are untouchable.
 
Rowem said:
All the European FAs should get together and decide to do an international tournament in the summer of '22, and not bother with the WC. Then if it's all on course and FIFA still don't move the WC, invite the FAs of other continents to join the breakaway tournament and go ahead with it.

This is not only what I want but something I actually see happening in some form or another - a split from FIFA.
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not going to happen , yes they will kick up a fuss and maybe even threaten to pull out, but when push comes to shove the WC 2022 is going to happen in Nov/Dec.
Qatar getting the WC in the first place was just pure corruption.
 
Dont think Sky will be too happy whoever has the rights for the PL during xmas, which is probably the most watched period during the season.
 
Ridiculous.

Will WC final be on Christmas eve or sthing?

European FAs should boycott this farce, but as many have said here they probably wont.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
not going to happen , yes they will kick up a fuss and maybe even threaten to pull out, but when push comes to shove the WC 2022 is going to happen in Nov/Dec.
Qatar getting the WC in the first place was just pure corruption.
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True that. This is going to happen and everyone will participate. In fact I'd say no one will kick up a major fuss either. All these associations shouldn't have fecking voted for it in the first place. Now they've made their bed, time to lie on it.
 
The ramifications for this are staggering.

1) Most major leagues around the world, including the English, Spanish, German, Italian, French, Scottish, Dutch, Portuguese, Russian, Mexican, etc will have to introduce artificial breaks, move their existing breaks around, or completely change how their season is structured.

2) Likewise, the UEFA Champions League and other continental tournaments will have to be moved about.

3) The Club World Cup will have to be moved... will that now be played in the summer? But the South American Copa Libertadores (and other continental competitions) only finishes in December.

4) Is the Confederations Cup going to go the way of the Dodo?

5) The 2024 European Championships will only have 18 months to do qualification before the tournament starts... Except it's actually worse than that. The final playoff round for International Tournaments tend to take place in November - 7 months before the tournament. For that to continue, UEFA would have to run an entire qualifying tournament from December 2022 to November 2023.... 11 months. Not going to happen!

You can add to that all the broadcasters who will be annoyed, all the players who will be tired, all the fans that won't want to spend December in Qatar.

That doesn't even mention Qatar's human rights record, it doesnt mention Qatar the logistics of building 15 stadiums only to take them down again.

They've fecked up the entire football world for pure greed.
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
If our rivals have a lot of african players in the squad then i hope they're playing the ACON after the World Cup ;)

The ACON would be in January 2021 and January 2023.....so i see no problem
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If it's finished in December it be only a couple of weeks till the ACN starts
 
Mrs Smoker said:
More like every year depending on continent.
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Nah. Players dream of winning the Champions League, not the European Championships. The World Cup is the only international tournament that people really care that much about.
MDFC Manager said:
This is also unlikely to happen, as international teams and tournaments are big money spinners for them individual associations
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Which associations and what's an association? The Premier League, La Liga and the Bundesliga wouldn't be considerably worse off without international football would they?
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
.Which associations and what's an association? The Premier League, La Liga and the Bundesliga wouldn't be considerably worse off without international football would they?
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Not massively worse off, but it's not as if International Football does nothing for them. The incredible growth of football around the world likely goes hand in hand with the world cups. That's not to say that Americans wouldn't have got on board with football without the world cup, but it certainly helps that every country has players to be proud of, and cheer on, and the whole country comes together during the world cup, etc
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Nah. Players dream of winning the Champions League, not the European Championships. The World Cup is the only international tournament that people really care that much about.
Which associations and what's an association? The Premier League, La Liga and the Bundesliga wouldn't be considerably worse off without international football would they?
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I meant the governing associations like FA.
 
rcoobc said:
Not massively worse off, but it's not as if International Football does nothing for them. The incredible growth of football around the world likely goes hand in hand with the world cups. That's not to say that Americans wouldn't have got on board with football without the world cup, but it certainly helps that every country has players to be proud of, and cheer on, and the whole country comes together during the world cup, etc
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Will there come a time we don't need it? It's a pain in the arse...
 
Mrs Smoker said:
Where do you get that? That was not an impression I got from recent AFC, or EC three years ago.
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I dunno. Just haven't got the feeling for a long time that these tournaments matter that much to players or fans, when compared with the Champions League/Premier League/La Liga.

Cup of Nations I get the impression inspires more feeling, for a few, in fairness.
 
If the FA band together and reject this I'm sure FIFA will capitulate.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Will there come a time we don't need it? It's a pain in the arse...
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The thing is...

All of football is pointless. Completely pointless. Why do I support Manchester united rather than someone else. Why do I, a 25 year old man, spend my time watching football, not even my club most of the time, rather than playing with my 18 month old son.

The good thing about international football is that, for a brief moment, everyone supports the same pointless team together. Its horribly nationalistic, it's terribly depressing and not as fun or as high quality as club football, but at least it's something many families and friends can agree on.

Not all. Some people only watch football for the players. They support Ronaldo or Messi or Zidane or Kevin Kilbane. And when you think about it, that may actually make more sense than supporting clubs. You can watch a player's career, like an F1 drivers, and see them improve and develop over time

Others only want club football, they don't want to support the same side as "Bob down the pub". They don't want to suddenly hear from "Shelia in the office" that England cannot win without Gerrard, or that Rooney is England's worst player.

I don't think international football should go away. It's better than supporting your nation (at all costs) in most other activities

One day, all nations foreign policies may just consist of whether to play a 2 or 3 man midfield.
 
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rcoobc said:
The thing is...

All of football is pointless. Completely pointless. Why do I support Manchester united rather than someone else. Why do I, a 25 year old man, spend my time watching football, not even my club moat of the time, rather than playing with my 18 month old son.

The good thing about international football is that, for a brief moment, everyone supports the same pointless team together. Its horribly nationalistic, it's terribly depressing and not as fun or as high quality as club football, but at least it's something many family's and friends can agree on.

Not all. Some people only watch football for the players. They support Ronaldo or Messi or Zidane or Kevin Kilbane. And when you think about it, that may actually may make more sense than supporting clubs. You can watch a players career, like an F1 drivers and see them improve and develop over time

Others only want club football, they don't want to support the same side as "Bob down the pub". They don't want to suddenly hear from "Shelia in the office" that England cannot win without Gerrard, or that Rooney is England's worst player.

I don't think international football should go away. Its better than supporting your nation (at all costs) in most other activities

One day, all nation's foreign policies may just consist of whether to play a 2 or 3 man midfield.
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:lol:

That is by a distance the best case I've ever seen made for it.
 
Any occasion is good to re-post this video which sums up the beauty of FIFA.



It's incredible that they're going to get away with this and apart from a few articles and angry people on the internet, that it won't cause that much of a stir. They're brilliant, they're like a more media-savvy SPECTRE.
 
Rooney in Dublin said:
Any occasion is good to re-post this video which sums up the beauty of FIFA.



It's incredible that they're going to get away with this and apart from a few articles and angry people on the internet, that it won't cause that much of a stir. They're brilliant, they're like a more media-savvy SPECTRE.
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John Oliver is one of the best shows on tv now.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Nah. Players dream of winning the Champions League, not the European Championships. The World Cup is the only international tournament that people really care that much about.
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Thats not true at all. International football is hugely important to many players

I would say that vast majority of the English side would take winning the Euros over the CL
 
@rcoobc , was there some news that prompted you to bump the thread? As things stand, we're still go for Summer 2022, right?


Also, I'd argue that the quality of football in international cups is comparable with club competitions. There's just more quality sides in club football.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Thats not true at all. International football is hugely important to many players

I would say that vast majority of the English side would take winning the Euros over the CL
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I wouldn't, apart from those that have already won the latter.
 
Mrs Smoker said:
@rcoobc , was there some news that prompted you to bump the thread? As things stand, we're still go for Summer 2022, right?


Also, I'd argue that the quality of football in international cups is comparable with club competitions. There's just more quality sides in club football.
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November and December. A 'FIFA taskforce' said today.
 
How about playing it in Qatar in June, with a load of amateurs just rotating 5 minutes a time in the heat; but the real matches are actually taking place in Denmark or somewhere, then just dub the Qatari background on for the telly. It would be like the moon landings, no one would ever know.
 
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