If it were a CL trophy win that certainly trumps a poor season in the PL every time, but not an FA Cup. United's 23/24 season will be remembered more for the poor quality of play, as well as off-pitch problems, for nearly the entire season than the FA Cup win.
Who had the better season? Arsenal or Man utd?
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The Doc had us playing solid football again. Fun to watch. Liverpool were still strong favourites.
But we felt we had a chance. The lads were buzzing.
Our sign said
The Kop'll topple to Hill and Coppell.
And so it did.
But the real joy was yet to come a few days later when Liverpool won the EC. We had prevented them from doing the Treble.
City are on steroids. No one gave us any chance.
But we contained them and won.
Arsenal, easy. They are a very very competitive team and have shown that they can win the league. I love that we won the FA Cup but I would still rather seriously challenge for the league. It went down to the wire.
The OP asks this question:
Who had the better season? Arsenal or Man utd?
Clearly Arsenal had the "better season", but it is also clear that United lifted a trophy and Arsenal did not. But it does not stand to reason that lifting the FA Cup necessarily allows the conclusion that United had a "better season" than Arsenal.
Who had the better season? Arsenal or Man utd?
Clearly Arsenal had the "better season", but it is also clear that United lifted a trophy and Arsenal did not. But it does not stand to reason that lifting the FA Cup necessarily allows the conclusion that United had a "better season" than Arsenal.
Are we looking at this as a stand alone season or the future?
If Arsenal win the league next season and United win nothing and remain outside of the top 4, then Arsenal. Although that is a weird way of looking at it.
I guess what I was thinking is that Spurs finished second a few years ago, 2017 or 2018? and no one cares. What matters is what Arsenal go on to do, next season. If we win nothing, then United had a better season.
Looking at the season in isolation, I'd take the FA Cup tbh. It's another trophy and record and that is what football is all about. There's no guarantee that because we finished second this year, we will do well next year but a trophy is a trophy.
If Arsenal win the league next season and United win nothing and remain outside of the top 4, then Arsenal. Although that is a weird way of looking at it.
I guess what I was thinking is that Spurs finished second a few years ago, 2017 or 2018? and no one cares. What matters is what Arsenal go on to do, next season. If we win nothing, then United had a better season.
Looking at the season in isolation, I'd take the FA Cup tbh. It's another trophy and record and that is what football is all about. There's no guarantee that because we finished second this year, we will do well next year but a trophy is a trophy.
They have?
This is the key for me.
If you’re looking to build towards winning big trophies, and consistently being there… you say Arsenal.
But if they’re third next year and we’re fourth (after winning a trophy (my favourite) this season and one last season), you’d probably prefer United’s season.
Any team that loses out on the title by 2 points shows they have capacity to win the league, surely? We are nowhere near and they have built on their previous season with another solid season.
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"It's another trophy and record and that is what football is all about."
But is it really all about trophies? Is it a fair trade for club supporters to be in misery and humiliation (such as Palace 4 United 0) for 9 months or dire play and no hope in the PL of even making top four in exchange for a FA Cup? I think not.
Would I trade 9 months of misery a humiliation for a CL trophy? Of course. But not for an FA Cup, which is forgotten pretty quickly anyway.
"It's another trophy and record and that is what football is all about."
But is it really all about trophies? Is it a fair trade for club supporters to be in misery and humiliation (such as Palace 4 United 0) for 9 months or dire play and no hope in the PL of even making top four in exchange for a FA Cup? I think not.
Would I trade 9 months of misery a humiliation for a CL trophy? Of course. But not for an FA Cup, which is forgotten pretty quickly anyway.
Actual trophy 》 top 4 trophy.
Do Arsenal fans happy with the team this season? I would say most of them will say yes.
Do Man Utd fans happy with the team this season? If yes, then that's all that matters.
Who cares whether Arsenal or Man Ud had a better season? I don't.
One could ask whether any one of us cares about anything anyone else writes other than what we ourselves believe, but the point of a forum like this is to banter about opinions -- within reasonable limits of course (no pornography, no racial abuse and so on). The underlying question is whether United fans are "happy with the team this season" and I submit the answer is no, we are not happy with how the season went, the FA Cup notwithstanding. All of us are happy United that won the FA Cup and thus the specific question is whether winning the FA Cup is a greater source of happiness than the happiness of knowing (from an Arsenal fan's point of view) that Arsenal came within a whisker of City to lift the PL trophy.
What matters is what each of us believes. If someone is happy that United escaped relegation, who are we to tell them they shouldn't be happy about that? But objectively speaking, one a club with the burden of expectations of United puts in dire performances month after month for an entire and then pops up with a magnificent performance against City (after a nearly disastrous performance against Coventry...and reasonable minds can disagree as to whether VAR got the offside call right) it's pretty hard to argue that winning the FA Cup outweighs the 9 months of dire performances that preceded it.
How is this even a question.
It's pretty obvious who had the better season.
Arsenal.
A domestic cup trophy does not even make our season ok. The most flattering 8th in the PL, last in the easiest CL group and a FA cup win. We've been horrible. If we were Brentford, we could be happy with a season like this, not with the performances, but the results. To be happy with the performances we've put in this season we'd have to be Sheffield United. We're not.
It's pretty obvious who had the better season.
Arsenal.
A domestic cup trophy does not even make our season ok. The most flattering 8th in the PL, last in the easiest CL group and a FA cup win. We've been horrible. If we were Brentford, we could be happy with a season like this, not with the performances, but the results. To be happy with the performances we've put in this season we'd have to be Sheffield United. We're not.