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Who here hopes United get spanked tonight?
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I can't hope United lose a match just because it would get rid of Moyes.
I don't have any high hopes that he'll turn it around but a) you never know and b) the pressure on the next manager, and the magnitude of his task, will inevitably increase in correlation with how poor our results are.
I don't have any high hopes that he'll turn it around but a) you never know and b) the pressure on the next manager, and the magnitude of his task, will inevitably increase in correlation with how poor our results are.
And if we had done that, it would have been a flawless approach to the game!
I disagree with that, it doesnt follow. We are likely to lose, but there is losing and there is losing. We lose 2-1, even 2-0, fine, it is all part of our "transition". We lose 11-0 and that is unforgivable. There is a massive difference, it isnt black and white.
I'm one of those who'd field a weakened side in Europa, get our youngsters games at a high level and focus on the league (if Moyes is still in charge) because we'll need all our focus on the league in order to not screw it up again.
The other question concerns whether people worry not only that Moyes is not the man for the job, but also whether the board is clinical enough to see so and act on it. I don't think he'll prove to be a success here (if he stays, of course I hope he proves us doubters wrong) but I'm not sure about the board. I think they've screwed up a hell of a lot in the managerial transition. Last summer a case in point. And I do worry that pride and stubbornness might be a hindrance upstairs. We'll see..
Never wanted Moyes, don't want him now but no way would I hope for a defeat.
Oh yeah, I'll put my hat in the ring for that too. Would definitely want us to lose a game which made the difference between Europa league qualification or not. I think Liverpool's league campaign has been massively helped by the absence of Thursday night games. I could cope with a few less fixtures next season for that sort of a shot in the arm for next season's league campaign.
I don't hope that we get spanked. But we will.
I suppose 11-0 takes the hypothetical example a bit too far. How about 4-0?
Exactly! Well maybe not "unforgivable" but it would put him on seriously shaky ground. I always thought he'd get a couple of years but I never thought we'd be this far off the pace. I'd imagine the board are similarly shocked. Throw in a really heavy defeat to Arsenal and it doesn't look good for him.
Be bloody unlucky IMHO. A lot of what has gone wrong was beyond his control but football's a results business. I don't think we'll continue in free fall much longer without someone pulling the plug, even if he has Fergie's blessing.
Conversely, a good performance/result against Arsenal would be huge. We could lose a bunch more games and the Arsenal result could be referred to as evidence or progress. Green shoots of recovery, if you will.
I see your 4-0 and raise you 5-0...?
More from "the difference between losing and losing after this"
Some people here should watch Fergie's Farewell speech again.
It's alright for you to bring this up as a Chelsea fan, but any of us that dare to venture that things will get better with time if the club stick by the manager get a good flaming in here. People want everything to come together now and simply don't have the patience to wait or understand that it will take 2-3 seasons before we're challenging for the league again.
I don't think the club would really expect us to drop out of the top 4 at all, no matter what line they're spouting officially. It's not just about the CL money, us dropping out of the CL would create doubts from the sponsors and the club will find it hard to attract the money, the timing is especially bad with the kit sponsorship up for grabs.
We're going to get a result tomorrow night. No question. Arsenal have less bottle than we do.
No. But I am prepared for it.
The thing is, most of us already expected Moyes to struggle this season, but to be so far off 4th spot and the players playing like they've never seen each other before is just far too ridiculous.
Precisely.
I reckon a lot of 'Moyes out' people (including me) at this point would take that, on balance.
A win-win situation is where the whole team ignores the manager's tactics and play some decent football through the middle and give Arsenal a spanking. And thus making it clear that he's lost the dressing room and gets the sack. But The players are not gonna do it and we may get beaten tomorrow.
People will tell you that they support Manchester United And not Sir Alex. And they would be right. His choice of Moyes, is proving to be a terrible one and is leading us to mid table mediocrity; with age old style gameplay and tactical buffoonery.
People will tell you that they support Manchester United And not Sir Alex. And they would be right. His choice of Moyes, is proving to be a terrible one and is leading us to mid table mediocrity; with age old style gameplay and tactical buffoonery.
Haha oh wow, look at those people trying to justify their 'yes' with 'greater purpose' shittalk. How desperate and pathetic.
I agree that he's looking bad right now but how about instead of everyone hoping they lose, hope that United win and it kick starts a reivival between now and the end of the season. You should always be hoping Moyes comes good regardless of what has happened so far. If the club don't fire him it's because they believe he will come good in the end. Fans should follow suit.
Yes unforgivable. 11-0? Unforgivable.
Never!
But as much as I want United to win, as I always do, I really don't want a fortunate victory (or even a commanding one) for it to lead to 'see, fuss over nothing - we can beat Arsenal, we're back!"
It'd be a step in the right direction but only a step. My fear is a win will cause a lot of people capriciously dismiss all previous criticism. Certainly here if we win they'll be a good few posters with "LOL Moyes critics" replies. And I just feel what we have to address is too big to be brushed under the carpet.
So do I want us to win? Of course I do. But in many ways I dread the 'anti-backlash' response if we do.
But as much as I want United to win, as I always do, I really don't want a fortunate victory (or even a commanding one) for it to lead to 'see, fuss over nothing - we can beat Arsenal, we're back!"
It'd be a step in the right direction but only a step. My fear is a win will cause a lot of people capriciously dismiss all previous criticism. Certainly here if we win they'll be a good few posters with "LOL Moyes critics" replies. And I just feel what we have to address is too big to be brushed under the carpet.
So do I want us to win? Of course I do. But in many ways I dread the 'anti-backlash' response if we do.
Yeah, but we all know how Wenger reacts when he sees bottle. He smashes the bloody granny out of it.
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Two problems with this. First being, there is no guarantee, or in fact, no evidence this will be the case. He took over the champions and has us out the race for the CL spots by February. The idea he'll have us very close to winning the title any time soon seems farfetched to me. We are now a much less attractive proposition to potential players, the chances of him improving the squad to the extent we need are even slimmer than the 2 transfer windows he's already had.
Secondly, this didn't need to be the case. We could have had instant success under a better manager and still been challenging in 2-3 seasons. It wasn't one or the other. We didn't need to turn shit before we got back on track, we could have stayed on track and continued that.
There hasn't been anywhere near enough time to substantiate this. I guess you'd have been one of those screaming for Fergie out the door when he didn't yield results in the first couple of seasons; it's an attitude that makes me sick. It's not supporting Manchester United at all, it's chasing glory and discarding the long game that SAF and the board are playing with Moyes. He'll learn a lot this season and he'll come back a better manager for it.
I'm hoping we beat Arsenal 15-0 and Rodgers is sacked. And Suarez, Sturridge, Baines, Coleman, Lukaku and Adebayor all get injured.
Oh and one more thing. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm fairly sure the majority of posters on here think Moyes should be sacked if we finish outside the top four. At least the majority was clear when the season started.
Which has to be a lot of posters. Now, assuming all of you think he should be sacked if we finish outside the top, is it reasonable to assume that a lot of you think he will be sacked if we don't get CL football?
With this in mind is it really that outlandish to suggest a heavy defeat tomorrow will hasten his demise? More points dropped, a chunk out of our meagre goal difference.
Amidst that cohort of caftards, there has to be a goodish number who are absolutely certain he is not - and never will be - good enough to manager MUFC.
So why not hope for a heavy defeat tomorrow? Would the cognitive dissonance really be too much to bear? Is it completely out of the question to reassure yourself that it would be for the greater good in the end?
I'm honestly not being a WUM when I say I'm amazed that this thread is 7 pages long and not one caftard has stepped up and said that they feel that way.
Which has to be a lot of posters. Now, assuming all of you think he should be sacked if we finish outside the top, is it reasonable to assume that a lot of you think he will be sacked if we don't get CL football?
With this in mind is it really that outlandish to suggest a heavy defeat tomorrow will hasten his demise? More points dropped, a chunk out of our meagre goal difference.
Amidst that cohort of caftards, there has to be a goodish number who are absolutely certain he is not - and never will be - good enough to manager MUFC.
So why not hope for a heavy defeat tomorrow? Would the cognitive dissonance really be too much to bear? Is it completely out of the question to reassure yourself that it would be for the greater good in the end?
I'm honestly not being a WUM when I say I'm amazed that this thread is 7 pages long and not one caftard has stepped up and said that they feel that way.
Exactly. Moyes can't even set out his team to win at home. I don't think with a top manager we would have lost all those home games.
As for the result tomorrow. At this stage, if we lose I'm not bothered. For me unless a miracle happens in Europe, I want the season to be over fast.
That's awful wishing injuries on players!
That's only this week. Awful to think I have to wish for injuries to players like Jagielka, Henderson, Valencia and Young next week for us to have a chance at top four.
I disagree, a club like United that has had the playing style of one man ingrained in its DNA for 25 years would struggle to find success under any new manager. It just wouldn't happen. It's not a position like Chelsea, or City, where the personnel have become used to managers changing every 2-3 seasons, right from Youth Academy level up, Ferguson has left his mark and style on the way things are done in all aspects. ANY change was invariably going to send us backwards for a time; Gaining Moyes = less of the cause of our current problems than losing SAF.
This thread is disgraceful.
That's only this week. Awful to think I have to wish for injuries to players like Jagielka, Henderson, Valencia and Young next week for us to have a chance at top four.
You're doing it wrong. You're supposed to start threads expressing your amazement at how rarely they get injured.
I want him to be given time. However if he isn't going to be given a chance next season, I want him gone now, and not in the summer. I've said already that bringing in a new manager who has to try and rush into signings during his first month or two of his job isn't ideal. We saw that last summer. If we are going to have anew manager next season, he should be appointed now. The last thing we need is another wasted transfer window.
Of course it isn't reasonable to assume that. It doesn't follow at all.
Personally I'd prefer a draw. The idea of having winners and losers is antiquated.
First of all, van der Gouw was a terrific keeper. I haven't thought about him years but I distinctly recall a save he made -- it might have been his last for United -- where he went to the ground for a goal line save and someone's knee plowed right into his face. He was one brave as feck bloke.
With respect to Moyes, it's not that we want success now. What we want is a reasonable assurance that the manager has a plan to bring us success in the relatively near future. There is no evidence of such a plan under Moyes. Maybe there is and we don't see it, but what we here are reacting to it the absence of evidence of such a plan.
Most of us here freaked out when Moyes fumbled his way through the summer transfer window and then bought Fellaini on panic day. It was overwhelming evidence of incompetence. But we were hoping it was just growing pains.
Since then we've seen shocking tactics, as exhibited most spectacularly against Fulham. It was like watching two midtable clubs from the 1980s English first division. You don't even see those tactics in American college soccer.
Let us hope there is a clearing of the air in Dubai and that Moyes uses his players to their natural advantages. That means no more longball crossing game. That means attractive football on the ground AND sometimes in their air. That means players who are not merely confident, but supremely confident.
What we want to see are signs of improvement. If we came in fourth nobly I don't think we'd see a single poster complaining about that. But to play poor football and slide down the table is not a place United should be content to be in.