Who here hopes United get spanked tonight?

Cheeky OP.

No, Im always hoping for the result that breathes new life into the season. A convincing win at the Emirates could do more than buy Moyes time, it could boost morale, improve confidence, trigger a decent run of games and see us climb the table to a less humiliating finish. On the back of a strong end to the season we can say to prospective targets, "OK look we wont be in the CL this year but we had a big blip adjusting to the departure of SAF but we have that out of our system now and next season we expect to be right up there." Those targets look at RVP, Rooney, Mata, Januzaj and say yes, this team is not in freefall, I am up for being part of this rebuild... it looks a lot better than us finishing the season in the bottom half of the table and waiting for a turnaround that is nowhere in evidence yet. It sets up the next season much better if we finish this season well and for that to happen we need something big, something to jolt us out of our current malaise. A win away to Arsenal could do that, just as I hoped a win at Chelsea a few weeks ago would. Better late than never.

Moyes Will Never Die.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
That was the original question FFS.
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Yes but that won't decided by our votes here. Moyes will be here even if we lose 5-0 so there is no point of hoping that we'll lose.

However if it is guaranteed that if we lose against Arsenal then Moyes get sacked (and replaced by someone better) then I would hope that we'll lose because this season is over anyway and at-least in that case we can hope that the next season won't be over before it starts.
 
No, BUT....if we were to lose, I hope we get convincingly beaten, not just by a jammy penalty or deflected goal. Don't want to hear Moyes' 'unlucky' excuses.
 
Surely not even the most pragmatic United fan could actually want to lose. To Arsenal of all people?

No chance.

I hope we piss all over them. Realistically though I expect us to get bummed.
 
Thought about it, but no. A win. Might also help him and the lads get some confidence back and maybe play with more composure. It might not be just tactics, it might also be that their composure is severely affected by loss of confidence, as we saw with the eyes-closed crossing against Fulham. And confidence sometimes makes luck, upward spiral, etc.
 
Anybody sane is going to answer no to that Pogue, you need to be more subtle. What about if we're three down after 30 minutes with absolutely no hope of getting a result, would the Moyes out people then want Arsenal to go on and make it a hammering? Anybody sane would still answer no, but this way they aren't sacrificing the points, they've already gone, so a few may well bite.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Nobody?

Really?

That's a surprise. In the past 48 hours or so I've read dozens and dozens of people who are absolutely 100% convinced that Moyes will not turn things round under any circumstances. With this in mind, why on earth would you want him to hang around a moment longer than absolutely necessary? It makes no sense. Why would you want that to happen?

A good result against Arsenal can only mean a stay of execution. Nothing else positive can come of it. Not in the long term. Quite the opposite. A bad result makes his position more tenuous. Which is what you're hoping for. It's as simple as that.

If you're in the camp that is not willing to accept even the slightest possibility that he can turn things round, why on earth would you hope for a result that delays his inevitable sacking? Just so we can cause inconvenience to another team? Or get short-term bragging rights until the next, inevitable, run of terrible results.

Do you realise how irrational that is?
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Yeah I think a lot of people who actually wanted Arsenal to thump us tomorrow would probably rather not go on the record saying so.... that is the only explanation. I think you are right that there must be people out there who want this.
 
Thought so, the OP was hoping we all wanted us to lose to get rid of Moyes. Now he's disappointed because we actually support United. Imagine if Successful or Kevin had made this thread, they'd be lambasted.

United comes first, I was a United fan long before Moyes came along and I'll be a United fan long after he's gone.
 
A more direct way of asking the question is "Who here wants us to get spanked tomorrow if it would guarantee Moyes gets sacked the next day" ?
 
Adebesi said:
Cheeky OP.

No, Im always hoping for the result that breathes new life into the season. A convincing win at the Emirates could do more than buy Moyes time, it could boost morale, improve confidence, trigger a decent run of games and see us climb the table to a less humiliating finish. On the back of a strong end to the season we can say to prospective targets, "OK look we wont be in the CL this year but we had a big blip adjusting to the departure of SAF but we have that out of our system now and next season we expect to be right up there." Those targets look at RVP, Rooney, Mata, Januzaj and say yes, this team is not in freefall, I am up for being part of this rebuild... it looks a lot better than us finishing the season in the bottom half of the table and waiting for a turnaround that is nowhere in evidence yet. It sets up the next season much better if we finish this season well and for that to happen we need something big, something to jolt us out of our current malaise. A win away to Arsenal could do that, just as I hoped a win at Chelsea a few weeks ago would. Better late than never.

Moyes Will Never Die.
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Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for. I'm open the possibility Moyes can turn things round.

Didn't realise so many other people felt the same way. Not the impression I got from reading the assorted "Moyes out" threads these last few days.
 
Absolutely not. I want Moyes to be a success and, let's be realistic, with every passing week and every bad result that's becoming slightly less likely. Going to Arsenal there's always a good chance you'll get beaten, but an abject performance would really ramp up the pressure for the remainder of the season, which isn't what we would ideally want.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Nobody?

Really?

That's a surprise. In the past 48 hours or so I've read dozens and dozens of people who are absolutely 100% convinced that Moyes will not turn things round under any circumstances. With this in mind, why on earth would you want him to hang around a moment longer than absolutely necessary? It makes no sense. Why on earth would you want that to happen?

Only a good result against Arsenal can only mean a stay of execution. A bad result makes his position more tenuous. It's as simple as that.

If you're in the camp that is not willing to accept even the slightest possibility that he can turn things round, why on earth would you hope for a result that delays his inevitable sacking? Just so we can cause inconvenience to another team? Or get short-term bragging rights until the next, inevitable, run of terrible results.

Do you realise how irrational that is?
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I don't think anyone wants to see us get spanked. Or get beat. It's been a clusterfeck of a season and getting a spanking would be the icing on the massive shit cake that this useless cnut has served us.
If we lose 1-0 or 2-1, it's acceptable (that sounds daft I know) but it still doesn't hide the fact that Moyes is clueless and can't win any big games.

He should go regardless of what happens in London tomorrow because he's not up to the job. City and Liverpool will dry bum us at Old trafford if he is still in charge and they are the results that will hurt people the most. The hidings could be avoided by getting rid of this chump and getting someone in who knows how football should be played and who can motivate the quality players we have

We're not a shit team. We are not shit. But Moyes has coached all the good out of this players by making them play Howard fecking Wilkinson football.
 
Raoul said:
A more direct way of asking the question is "Who here wants us to get spanked tomorrow if it would guarantee Moyes gets sacked the next day" ?
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That's silly though. Getting spanked won't guarantee he gets sacked the next day.

It will hasten his exit though. Just like a United win will delay it. I'd say these two outcomes are fairly certain.
 
I admit in the past to hoping England lose/get spanked/go out of tournaments so we could change managers/force things to a head, but it's much harder to feel similar about United, and despite the fact I remain certain in my conviction that Moyes will never implement the football I want to see us play no matter how long we keep him... a heavy loss tomorrow would hardly bear weight with Uniteds longterm thinking.
 
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Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for. I'm open the possibility Moyes can turn things round.

Didn't realise so many other people felt the same way. Not the impression I got from reading the assorted "Moyes out" threads these last few days.
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I think the question itself is somewhat leading, in that people feel that saying yes is somehow wrong and don't want to be seen as saying it. There's an inherent disloyalty in saying it, despite the fact that I think a lot of people would make that particular deal with the devil if it meant Moyes was gone. Maybe if we had a poll and people could vote anonymously, along the lines of the phrasing Raoul used, you might get what I suspect would be a more honest cross-section of answers.
 
If we get spanked and it forces the issue and we sack Moyes on Thursday morning, who the hell guides us through the rest of the season, ensuring we win the games against City and Liverpool? Giggs? I dont think there is a silver bullet out there, that is wishful thinking.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That's silly though. Getting spanked won't guarantee he gets sacked the next day.

It will hasten his exit though. Just like a United win will delay it. I'd say these two outcomes are fairly certain.
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The logic of anyone who wanted us to lose would probably be based on the payoff that Moyes would get sacked afterwards. If they didn't think he would get sacked, no one would want us to lose. There has to be a payoff at the end of a spanking.
 
Talking Vulture said:
I don't think anyone wants to see us get spanked. Or get beat. It's been a clusterfeck of a season and getting a spanking would be the icing on the massive shit cake that this useless cnut has served us.
If we lose 1-0 or 2-1, it's acceptable (that sounds daft I know) but it still doesn't hide the fact that Moyes is clueless and can't win any big games.

He should go regardless of what happens in London tomorrow because he's not up to the job. City and Liverpool will dry bum us at Old trafford if he is still in charge and they are the results that will hurt people the most. The hidings could be avoided by getting rid of this chump and getting someone in who knows how football should be played and who can motivate the quality players we have

We're not a shit team. We are not shit. But Moyes has coached all the good out of this players by making them play Howard fecking Wilkinson football.
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Not sure what you're saying?

You do want us to lose? But not too heavily?
 
Brophs said:
I think the question itself is somewhat leading, in that people feel that saying yes is somehow wrong and don't want to be seen as saying it. There's an inherent disloyalty in saying it, despite the fact that I think a lot of people would make that particular deal with the devil if it meant Moyes was gone. Maybe if we had a poll and people could vote anonymously, along the lines of the phrasing Raoul used, you might get what I suspect would be a more honest cross-section of answers.
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Yes. Our internet-name anonymity is not enough! We need more anonymity. Layers upon layers of anonymity to feel safe to express our darkest desires.
 
Raoul said:
The logic of anyone who wanted us to lose would probably be based on the payoff that Moyes would get sacked afterwards. If they didn't think he would get sacked, no one would want us to lose. There has to be a payoff at the end of a spanking.
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I explained the payoff in the OP. Losing would accelerate his departure. The heavier the defeat, the more damaging to his tenure. Winning would delay his exit. Possibly even represent the first step in him becoming our manager for years and years .

I thought I made that clear?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That's silly though. Getting spanked won't guarantee he gets sacked the next day.

It will hasten his exit though. Just like a United win will delay it. I'd say these two outcomes are fairly certain.
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I don't think that the result will matter. I think that Moyes will get sacked on the summer of 2015 if we don't qualify for UCL and bar a mutiny by more than half of players or fans on OT heavily booing him I don't think that he'll get sacked before. So there is no point to hope that we'll lose cause Moyes won't get the sack anyway.
 
I want us to win, and as unlikely as it seems right now, i really want Moyes to turn it around.
 
Nope, even if the defeat means that Moyes loses the job.

He's not going to get sacked. Moyes is here for the long stay - get used to that idea.
I reckon he'll turn it around too and in years to come a few of you will be in the pub, lying to your mates, how you always stuck by him and believed that he would turn it around.

Don't go slating Moyes, cause when it's 21, it's David Moyes. !
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That's silly though. Getting spanked won't guarantee he gets sacked the next day.

It will hasten his exit though. Just like a United win will delay it. I'd say these two outcomes are fairly certain.
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Yes, but if we take your logic to its extreme you're essentially saying those Moyes out people are hoping he doesn't turn it around, which is definitely not the case. If Moyes won the league next year I don't think they'd be thinking "shit, that means he'll be here next year too", most want to be proven wrong about him, most are still making up their minds about him.
 
Cina said:
Well, Liverpool were in the situation a few years ago where by if they lost (to Chelsea I think?) then we essentially lost the league, and I know a lot of their fans were happy enough for that to happen. it was that Stevie G backpass I believe.

Just saying, you can never account for what situations will arise in football!
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Funny thing is when I typed my response I had included an example of a game where United did not have anything to gain from winning but if we lost to that specific opponent it would mean Liverpool got relegated as one time where I might root for United to lose, lol.
 
I feel nonchalant about the result whatever the outcome. Almost a meaningless match for us. Just a match for bragging right and a chance to derail Arsenal title hopes. But hey, I've already punted some money on United winning. So i hope to get some money out of it to make me happy a few days.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Nobody?

Really?

That's a surprise. In the past 48 hours or so I've read dozens and dozens of people who are absolutely 100% convinced that Moyes will not turn things round under any circumstances. With this in mind, why on earth would you want him to hang around a moment longer than absolutely necessary? It makes no sense. Why would you want that to happen?

A good result against Arsenal can only mean a stay of execution. Nothing else positive can come of it. Not in the long term. Quite the opposite. A bad result makes his position more tenuous. Which is what you're hoping for. It's as simple as that.

If you're in the camp that is not willing to accept even the slightest possibility that he can turn things round, why on earth would you hope for a result that delays his inevitable sacking? Just so we can cause inconvenience to another team? Or get short-term bragging rights until the next, inevitable, run of terrible results.

Do you realise how irrational that is?
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There were one or two on here pissed off when United scored against Fulham, so I have no doubt they are hoping for a spanking. It's just a screwed up attitude, and they'd best find a new team to follow more in keeping with their needs.

Their "support" of United has been tested, and they have failed.
 
I think we'll get something out of tomorrow's match. Moyes has already frustrated them once this year.
 
The only spanking that should happen this week is in the bedrooms of couples across the country.
 
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