Daft to even suggest that.
Who here hopes United get spanked tonight?
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Daft to even suggest that.
I was just saying that nobody would admit it even if they were daft enough to think this way. Not commenting on how many people I guessed would hold this view. Which I estimate at 3.5 people. Based on ... erm ... stuff
Daft seems to be the word of the day.
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Because David Moyes is our manager.
No chance I will be cheering for Arsenal to thump us. I want us to come out of the game with respect at the very least. I find it odd that people would prefer to see us murdered in one game in the hope that the manger gets the sack, instead of hoping that United can actually turn things around and start playing well again.
Idea for another anti-Moyes thread, who's the biggest critic on here, I think it's Revan, you or me vying for that for now.
Surely the magic elf guy has you all beat?
In the sad twisted world we live in, yes, I hope Moyes persists with Young, Valencia, Cleverely and Welbeck and his ridiculous crossing tactic and see how far we get against a team that has played quick, direct, football, because it obviously worked against over the weekend against a team at the bottom of the table, with no goals scored in their previous 4 games.
While I am somewhat happy we managed to take the lead over the weekend, i'm also happy we didn't win, because if we managed to do that, playing like we did, it would only encourage Moyes / Round and Neville to think that it actually worked.
Now before you all jump on me and ultimately criticism me into oblivion, can any of you honestly say that you want to continue watching us play in hoof ball for the rest of this season, for all of next season - for as long as Moyes is here?
While I am somewhat happy we managed to take the lead over the weekend, i'm also happy we didn't win, because if we managed to do that, playing like we did, it would only encourage Moyes / Round and Neville to think that it actually worked.
Now before you all jump on me and ultimately criticism me into oblivion, can any of you honestly say that you want to continue watching us play in hoof ball for the rest of this season, for all of next season - for as long as Moyes is here?
Agree with Gannicus's post completely.
This. In any way of life, lesson learned that sacrificing for the greater good is necessary in most of the time.
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would a loss really get moyes the sack???? I highly doubt it , he is here (unfortunately) for the long haul
It's a lot easier for non match goers to sit hoping each game ends in defeat in the hope that they'll do away with Moyes.If you're paying good money,taking the whole day off work and travelling to and from the ground in the blistering cold, then hoping for a defeat is unlikely to be on yr agenda.
Surely most matchgoers would want an entertaining United? Wouldn't it be a pity to spend that much money and time, then was given that Fulham match display?
Yes they do but going to the game and wanting the team to lose does not compute, I am sorry.I can understand getting home and thinking there may be a silver lining after seeing the team lose as I have done but setting out for the game hoping for a defeat and taking pleasure in seeing the ball go in our net is perverse.It may end in Moyes losing his job but it may result in players getting tired and leaving for pastures new.All in all every defeat is damaging for this club and now as much as ever.
How about if our defeat would give Cardiff (while managed by Solksjaer) the league title, instead of the City?
But of course I understand your POV. In other circumstances, no United fans (either the matchgoers, or the armchairs) would want their team to lose.
For tommorow, I don't want us to lose, either. But I prefer not to win, if that win will justify United to play like that Fulham game for foreseeable future.
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I have no personal agenda regarding Moyes, my dislike for him is purely out of my believe that he doesn't have the necessary thing to manage United (when he first appointed), and how he razes Manchester United into the laughing stock of Europe (present)
I don't hate him as a fellow, I didn't even know him personally.
In regards to the OP, I would want what I believe what's best for the club (it's a relative thing to measure), and what I believe strongly is that he is the wrong man for this job, and the longer he's here the heavier the damage and it'll be harder for us to claw back. Therefore if losing is what it takes put pressure on him and hopefully he's sacked / resign then I would want us to lose badly (again because I perceive at this moment it is what I feel best for the club, not because I want to lose).
I know it looks like a straight "glory hunter" and "plastic fans" attitude, but sometimes, to gain something in the long run you'll have to sacrifice things in the short run. I may be wrong, and will be proven wrong, or I may be right, we will never know. But if losing means the manager is getting closer to his p45 then by all means I will root for it, again because that is what I believe is good for the club.
We say things that is correct / wrong in retrospect, we have shit opinions, correct prediction, slating / praising the wrong / right fellow in the past, but I believe every United fans argue vehemently out of their passion and love for the club, and although the end result might eggs us on the face, the intention and passion is always United.
It is because we love this club that we took sides, no matter which sides we're on at this side splitting moment in the history of Manchester United.
I don't hate him as a fellow, I didn't even know him personally.
In regards to the OP, I would want what I believe what's best for the club (it's a relative thing to measure), and what I believe strongly is that he is the wrong man for this job, and the longer he's here the heavier the damage and it'll be harder for us to claw back. Therefore if losing is what it takes put pressure on him and hopefully he's sacked / resign then I would want us to lose badly (again because I perceive at this moment it is what I feel best for the club, not because I want to lose).
I know it looks like a straight "glory hunter" and "plastic fans" attitude, but sometimes, to gain something in the long run you'll have to sacrifice things in the short run. I may be wrong, and will be proven wrong, or I may be right, we will never know. But if losing means the manager is getting closer to his p45 then by all means I will root for it, again because that is what I believe is good for the club.
We say things that is correct / wrong in retrospect, we have shit opinions, correct prediction, slating / praising the wrong / right fellow in the past, but I believe every United fans argue vehemently out of their passion and love for the club, and although the end result might eggs us on the face, the intention and passion is always United.
It is because we love this club that we took sides, no matter which sides we're on at this side splitting moment in the history of Manchester United.
They are not dead woods, they are valuable squad member (rotation if I borrow an FM term)
Nobody expect them to be first teamer, but they make more than adequate back up if played correctly. League is a long run of 38 games, you can't expect them to feature in important matches, but when they played in easier match, it'll give more than a much needed break for our first teamer (whoever that is atm), and that alone is a huge impact on how the year pans with reduced injuries, improved match fitness, longer break in betweens etc.
Name me a team with a better backup than : Rio / Vidic on CBs, Nani on the WIngs, Evra on LB, and Anderson... well.. not so much of Anderson.
SAF left them for the next manager to utilize, they are only in their early 30s bar rio, with multiple medals, experience and stuffs. They're are anything but deadwood.
Mourinho didn't ship Terry, he made them a player again , so does with Eto'o. With Moyes at the helm suddenly half of our squad is deemed as deadwoon. Perhaps Moyes is the thickest wood of all.
But getting someone in would mean he has 1/2 a season to go to iron things out and sort the mess, meaning he can go next season with a fresh start from the get go.
If we sack him next season, then next season will be year 0 all over again and it'll waste tremendous resources (financial wise and point wise), not to mention that some damage will be irrepairable (star players leaving, confidence shattered, etc)
Honestly Id like us to win although I wouldn't be grieved too much about being defeated if that would mean the end of Moyes administration, his crappy tactics and his virtually non existent man management. (I guess I am getting used of bad results).
However the rational part in me tells me that we should wait till Summer. If he isn't able to get us to 4th place then he should be kicked out.
However the rational part in me tells me that we should wait till Summer. If he isn't able to get us to 4th place then he should be kicked out.
confidence is already shattered and star players are already leaving. Actually a new manager may ignite new confidence and unite the team as some players will be given a second chance especially if the manager in question would be a proven winner who players respect rather then some random dude whose biggest tactical achievement was to bombard Fellaini with alot of crosses.
Say you're right, I think by the time we would wake up it'd be too late to make a realistic run for the 4th place. The start of January should've been THE moment to improve performances and results.
We should forget about 4th place. It's gone. We're not going down so let's sort out our tactics and start to play with some kind of plan.
He wont be sacked immediately even if we lose against Arsenal because we still have a Champions League match, and anyone good is not going to be available now. The best thing right now is to ride it out until the end of the season, sack him immediately after that and sign a replacement early. Not that bullshit about only start to work on July. Get him early, paid the previous club to release him early if that's what it take.
A loss against Arsenal would be another day at the office. A win against them at Emirates would actually be quite a shock.
My stance on this is that I don't think Moyes is good enough for United at all.
However, I can never be 100% certain of players/managers never coming good despite how obvious you feel it is.
So yeah, I think he should go at the end of the season but when United play, I will hang on to the remote (in my mind) possibility of it somehow working under him.
At least, at the beginning, after which I'll spend the rest of the 85 minutes looking like I've just walked in on a threesome between Rooney, Tevez and Ribery.
However, I can never be 100% certain of players/managers never coming good despite how obvious you feel it is.
So yeah, I think he should go at the end of the season but when United play, I will hang on to the remote (in my mind) possibility of it somehow working under him.
At least, at the beginning, after which I'll spend the rest of the 85 minutes looking like I've just walked in on a threesome between Rooney, Tevez and Ribery.
Arsenal are a team we have a big psychological advantage over. Despite how things are going I feel quietly confident about tonight.
It will be a game that will suit us IMO, like the one at OT.
I don't want us to get spanked because I don't think us getting spanked will get Moyes the sack.
If there is a defeat then I hope the decision to sack Moyes will taken tonight and executed at the end of the season.
I gave up not because of the 6pts gap (which is nothing if we're still under SAF), but because we have Moyes at the helm, and even when he's faced the risk of being sacked, he still can't come up with anything different than the shit on a stick football we have seen so far.
We have Mata, RvP, Rooney, Kagawa, Carrick, Januzaj on the field and he played long ball all day.
Furthermore, I don't think Liverpool are nervous, they might get nervous about winning the league, but top 4 is not much of an issue basing on their current form and confidence, and nervous about United is just laughable, even Fulham aren't that nervous about us.
You're not actually thatbad....severly under-confident, yes. but Fergie had AW's number in the last few meetings between us, and most of your first team has played and excelled against us in the past.
If we don't come out all guns blazing, I wouldn't be surprised if you nicked this.
If we don't come out all guns blazing, I wouldn't be surprised if you nicked this.
Agreed. I have a sneaky feeling that we might win tonight
At least....At least....Whatever happens tonight, we will not concede another late goal at OT
As a neutral - I hope you do get spanked - just to get rid of Moyes. If you want to become competitive again - get a new manager. Yes he might bring in a load of players in the Summer, but he should be getting more out of your current players, and he is not adventurous enough for you guys - too negative. You need to write this season off and prepare for the next, start playing your youngsters in their best positions too.
Neither would I. But we really are that bad, or at least playing that bad.
Fcuk me, I would have thought most oppo fans would want Moyes to run us into the ground... fair enough.
I want a win and some nice goals please.
Has Moyes even ever won at Arsenal?
Pimpy easily wins. I have yet to make an anti-Moyes thread though I can't help myself to stop criticizing him.
Another humiliation and expect a meltdown from me. Was bosnian-red banned for being too harsh on Moyes or something else?
Nope. He hasn't won a single away game against United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool in around 50 games.