What are the odds he'll resign if we lose to Olympiacos badly, and lose to City. He seems overwhelmed and could well just give in.
Who here hopes United get spanked tonight?
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This United team will get absolutely dicked by a decent side even if we get through, so in some ways we'd be better off not winning. But of course I still want us to, even if I inevitably end up with some hope, which will be utterly dashed.
Every loss hurts, so NO!
I´d sure like to know whats going on in the dressing room, cause something aren´t right. But i don´t. I simply need to trust MUFC to handle this right, and I am pretty sure they will in time. In the meantime, I will keep on supporting my team and wish for the best. I am really looking forward to take back the throne whoever that throne holder may be. It would be great if Moyes is the one who achieves this for us, but i would also welcome mr. Klopp to give it a go. I really like the Dortmund way.
I´d sure like to know whats going on in the dressing room, cause something aren´t right. But i don´t. I simply need to trust MUFC to handle this right, and I am pretty sure they will in time. In the meantime, I will keep on supporting my team and wish for the best. I am really looking forward to take back the throne whoever that throne holder may be. It would be great if Moyes is the one who achieves this for us, but i would also welcome mr. Klopp to give it a go. I really like the Dortmund way.
As unfortunate as it is, I think any resigning/sacking will hold off for all the bonuses/penalties that are potentially involved.
A loss wont matter anyway. So we should best them atleast 4-0.
The best case scenario would be, players ignoring Moyes completely and play the way they want and win the game. This him getting sacked.
The best case scenario would be, players ignoring Moyes completely and play the way they want and win the game. This him getting sacked.
I feel like the more we lose and the manner of it just does more damage that will take longer to heal. And gives the players more excuses to leave in the summer. Gives the fans no value for their ticket money and so on.
I'd like to think we'll let go of Moyes without having to suffer a heavy defeat or two to force the club to do it. Moyes might not be up to the job, we've probably got even worse problems if the club arent up to the job of knowing to let him go without a couple more awful results.
I'd like to think we'll let go of Moyes without having to suffer a heavy defeat or two to force the club to do it. Moyes might not be up to the job, we've probably got even worse problems if the club arent up to the job of knowing to let him go without a couple more awful results.
He won't resign, he will just sit there all relaxed looking and grinning as if his job is fine even though it isn't. You have seen it a million times with managers of other clubs, you know when they are under pressure and about to be sacked, they will be interviewed the day before getting sacked and will say everything is fine, has full suppport, talk about the future etc, it's all standard practice.
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No chance. I am pretty sure that Moyes believes that none of this is his fault. I think that he firmly believes that if he can get to the end of the season, get rid of half of the squad (the ones who do not like what they see from him) and get 200m to buy players that he wants; then he will be able to get us competing for a Champions League spot again!
There is also the issue of him waiving and severance payments by resigning. You sometimes see some managers resigning like Keegan and Zola but they are generally the more passionate, emotional and impulsive types. Their feelings at a given time will override the logic of waiting to be sacked. David Moyes is not one of those kind of managers.
I think that Moyes is proud too. Walking away would be limp. I don't think that Moyes is up to the task of managing United but I give him credit for his self belief and pride.
No chance. I am pretty sure that Moyes believes that none of this is his fault. I think that he firmly believes that if he can get to the end of the season, get rid of half of the squad (the ones who do not like what they see from him) and get 200m to buy players that he wants; then he will be able to get us competing for a Champions League spot again!
There is also the issue of him waiving and severance payments by resigning. You sometimes see some managers resigning like Keegan and Zola but they are generally the more passionate, emotional and impulsive types. Their feelings at a given time will override the logic of waiting to be sacked. David Moyes is not one of those kind of managers.
I think that Moyes is proud too. Walking away would be limp. I don't think that Moyes is up to the task of managing United but I give him credit for his self belief and pride.
They will have plenty of patience, just wait and see. They will sit there waiting for him to come good, which he evidently won't, because it'd make them so proud if he eventually turned out to be a success.
Then again in a years time top 4 finish after 200M outlay will be considered a success - that's how much he has dropped our standards.
Exactly. I can see him coming out after we spent 200M and finished 4th next season saying that HE'S MADE IT, being incredibly proud of himself, in spite of the fact that the squad he inherited won the league comfortably.
Yeah, don't see him resigning any time soon.
Financial prudency aside, I'm sure he believes he can eventually turn things round.
Financial prudency aside, I'm sure he believes he can eventually turn things round.
It's borderline delusion at this stage.
This is my worry. No matter what we spend in the Summer, the expectancy for next season is fourth place. And that is ridiculous.
ah the old cry baby thread
Of course. At the beginning of next season Moyes eyes will be on top 4 and I can see his smug face enjoying top 4 battle and pretending to be a messiah when he achieves it. It will be horror.
Nah, it's not ridiculous at all. Even before we had this horror season, it was not unreasonable to expect that a new manager would take a couple of seasons to win the league. Fourth would be a big improvement on the current season and not a terrible season, even in the grand scheme of things.
Or are you saying that anything other than winning the league next season (i.e. finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th) is unacceptable? Because that really is ridiculous.
Think his point is if you spend £200m in a summer then you ought to be challenging for the league which is fair. I think a season similar to what Liverpool are having now should be a minimum unless we want to cede that Rodgers is a far superior manager to Moyes.
Of course he does. People at the top level like him always believe that they'll be able to do the job. What would be more interesting to me is knowing whether he gets the same tiny, nagging doubts as the rest of us when he has a few bad days at work, or whether he just sees being successful as the inevitable product of being given the time he feels he needs to do the job. It'd surely take super-human positivity not to have had your belief shaken by a season like this.
My point exactly.
I'm really creeping towards the Moyes has gotta go bus tbh lads.
The turning point was not using any subs til the 75th or so minute against Liverpool. Danny was so needed early in the 2nd half, Adnan wasnt gettin a look in, and Danny would have boosted us. Bringin him on with 15 mins to go puts so much pressure on him & that will always lead to desperation with any player in a game of that magnitude.
I cant see how Fergie can expect us to get behind the manager, when its clear he doesnt have the "United way" mentality & cannot motivate the team in play. You only have to see Fergie at OT - he spent most of the time in the stands. He didnt need to be down on the touchline shoutin orders all the time - the players knew what to do already.
feckin miss the aul codger!
The turning point was not using any subs til the 75th or so minute against Liverpool. Danny was so needed early in the 2nd half, Adnan wasnt gettin a look in, and Danny would have boosted us. Bringin him on with 15 mins to go puts so much pressure on him & that will always lead to desperation with any player in a game of that magnitude.
I cant see how Fergie can expect us to get behind the manager, when its clear he doesnt have the "United way" mentality & cannot motivate the team in play. You only have to see Fergie at OT - he spent most of the time in the stands. He didnt need to be down on the touchline shoutin orders all the time - the players knew what to do already.
feckin miss the aul codger!
We just want to at least to be in the mix every year like - er - Arsenal. But if Arsenal dont drop out of the top four, who will? Dont say Liverpool because their owners have proved to be very astute and once there they will invest to stay there. And of course they have a brilliant manager to do that.
One question everyone. Why Moyes is being discussed in this thread of all threads and why is it being bumped up? Such thread titles are really embarrassing no matter what is the context.
But then you're basically saying that money buys success immediately. Otherwise you're ignoring the fact that three really important defenders are going to leave during the summer, all of whom are regarded as massively important in the dressing room. There'll also be a huge turnover of players, I suspect. So when people assume that this £200m spend (I bet we don't even get near that figure) will transform us into challengers again, I think that's making massive assumptions about the way the new players are going to blend in and settle.
Liverpool's season is an unusual yard-stick, as they're only competing on one front.
It would also be unusual to finish in the top four and not challenge for the league at some point.
Why? What makes you embarrassed?
It depends entirely on how much you rate the squad as it is. Personally, I think a competent manager could have a good crack at every single trophy with this current squad. I thought it last season, I thought it at the start of the season and I still vehemently believe it to be the case now. A few players, given who is leaving, is now imperative, but this unprecedented £200 million spend - I agree, we won't hit that mark - would just add to my belief that this squad should be challenging for every honour. We didn't need this money to buy success, a good or great manager, and we should have hired the best, would have improved the players at his disposal anyway.
The problem is the manager, and it has been from the outset. Improve on him and fourth will be a piece of piss.
We'll likely only be competing on one front at the current rate unless we bypass Everton so again it's not an unfair assumption. But you are right it is unusual to finish in the top four and not challenge for the league although it's something Arsenal have mastered over the years quite regularly.
I don't really equate challenging as buying success. But a huge investment into a team has generally lead to a team challenging for a league in the past it's not a "massive" assumption. Most of the turnover of players will be players who are barely playing right now so I don't see why if an "Important defender" like Rio Ferdinand is let go it will lead to a massive downfall. Or is this the next excuse for Moyes?
Have to say, I think that's complete nonsense. No matter who is in charge.
Arsenal have finally taken out their cheque book and will be spending big. City and Chelsea will always be tough to get past. Liverpool are unlikely to regress much and are right up there with City/Arsenal/Chelsea this season. I'm hoping that European football will cost them points but I don't know how many. Top four will be real a challenge next season, for all five of the clubs vying for CL football.
It will go down as one of many testaments to Fergie's ability that he so consistently secured CL football but in the days of a "double sugar daddy" league that is an increasingly tricky challenge. Just need two other clubs to have a really excellent season and you're in all sorts of trouble.
Hopefully the scousers will lose Bucky O'Hare and plummet.
A bit optimistic no?
Fingers fecking crossed. Painful and all as the Moyes fiasco has been to endure, the bloody scousers league campaign is giving me ulcers.
Shit teeth racist cnut won't be leaving if they get in the top 4 IMO.
Unless Madrid come calling.
He will probably celebrate 6th if it takes us into Europa and procaim himself a saviour.A bit optimistic no?
Fair enough. But like I said, I firmly believe in the squad and think it's easily good enough for a comfortable title challenge. Before this season we hadn't finished outside the top two in seven seasons. Things have changed, but with the right manager and a couple of tidy signings I still believe next season can be a great one. That's up to the people in charge, though.
He doesn't look like a man who believes he can turn it around to me. He looks like a man who wants to believe he believes he can turn it around.
Its a shitty situation for Moyes. He must be feelin pretty low in private to be honest. He got the job of a lifetime & its gone tits-up. That must be horrible for him & his family. He's a real nice guy from what i've seen over the years & especially since he took over at United. Its sad to see the dream job become the nightmare job of expectation, but maybe that was always gonna happen to whoever came in to replace Fergie.
I said it from day one that he shouldnt change anything at United in terms of backroom staff. Him cleaning us out & bringing in his mid-table staff is beyond belief. The Glazers should have said - "just you David & maybe one other", but its obvious Fergie had that call for Moyes to have complete reign.
What baffles me tho is, how the feck did he think his Everton staff were equal or better than Fergies staff. That shows a helluva lot of arrogance & delusion on his part.
I just dont see things improving anytime soon & i dont think Moyes spunkin £200m in the summer will get us back on track either. I dont see us gettin those big game players we're constantly linked with tbh. Moyes' rep is goin down the pan fast - negative manager headlines feed back to prospective players agents & then to his clients. I wouldnt wanna play for him if i was a top class player!
I hate ranting about Moyes, but no-ones bigger than the club & he's no Fergie back in '86 either!
If he spent £200-250m on player's over a 12 month period (already at £65m) I'd expect nothing less than a title challenge and probably a cup win.
If we are 10 or 15 points back this Xmas I'd still consider it a failure, even if we are comfortably fourth. Spending that sum of money on an already very good squad would mean he has the same success criteria as Chelsea and City's current and previous managers.
If going out tomorrow means the end of Moyes I'll gladly take that. However it is pointless even if we go through as we will go out in the QF anyway.
We'll go out tomorrow and he won't be sacked.