Who was worse, Moyes or Van Gaal?

Who did a worse job?

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Ramshock said:
:lol: Martial, Rashford, Lingard and TFM are no foundation? Okay.
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Just as much as a foundation as Fabregas, Walcott and Wilshere have been for Arsenal. Having good young players doesn't necessarily translate to titles. If you think otherwise you're as deluded as Wenger himself. :wenger: Also you're giving LVG way too much credit for those players with the exception of Martial. I believe the other players were already in our academy system when LVG came along.
 
For me LvG had a plan and a design, his brand of football just wasn't suited to the Premier League. Moyes I still don't understand what he wanted to do, just the Fulham game alone made you realise he was in over his head.
Transfer wise LvG spent more, but Moyes signing's Fellaini and Mata didn't fit our way of playing either and screamed of panic purchases.

At the end of the day LvG also won us a cup, I really don't think Moyes will ever win anything in his career now.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I remember when he was first hired some of the only dissenting voices came from Bayern fans who had lived through his horrible brand of football. To the United fans who were desperate for him to succeed his stint in Germany was spun into unqualified success. The same will happen about his time in charge of United, no doubt. Reading some of the comments in this thread, that process is already underway!
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Well he did win some trophies with them at least. It's not difficult to understand why most were cautiously optimistic about LVG coming in with his CV. Unlike Moyes who literally has nothing and when announced most people even in their most optimistic manner just prayed he could learn fast.

I think you're wrong about LVG's time here being later re-written. It'll always be remembered as a poor tenure that ended on a bright note with the FA Cup. No journalist of any high merit will ever get away with changing the story on that.
 
Minimalist said:
Well he did win some trophies with them at least. It's not difficult to understand why most were cautiously optimistic about LVG coming in with his CV. Unlike Moyes who literally has nothing and when announced most people even in their most optimistic manner just prayed he could learn fast.

I think you're wrong about LVG's time here being later re-written. It'll always be remembered as a poor tenure that ended on a bright note with the FA Cup. No journalist of any high merit will ever get away with changing the story on that.
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I agree with that. Revisionism will not save LVG's legacy at this club.
 
Perrick Dubois said:
In my opinion Van Gaal would have equally face planted like Moyes. That was a bit of a freak season for a lot of teams. For instance, if Van Gaal had have had his first season in the 13/14 league season he'd have finished 6th on 70 points behind Everton. There are a lot of bones of contention in this thread about peoples opinions and at the end of the day it all comes down to personal feeling which is completely fine.

To me Moyes was like a guy who couldn't climb over the brick wall and ultimately fell and perished.
Van Gaal was the guy who set out to convince the fans he could purposely run head first through it instead of adjusting to go over it.

To me, standing still is better than a purposely pursued change for the worse.
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Well i disagree mate, LVG was past his best as a manager but still way better than Moyes. He would have been able to get more out of Fergusons side than Moyes did. Moyes lost the dressing room early into that season in my opinion with the bullshit he was spouting in the media and his daft archaic methods and the players just didn't fight for him.

For all Van Gaal's faults at no point right up until the end did it seem like the players were not fighting for him, he never lost the dressing room and there seemed to be a good team spirit in the squad.
 
Minimalist said:
Well he did win some trophies with them at least. It's not difficult to understand why most were cautiously optimistic about LVG coming in with his CV. Unlike Moyes who literally has nothing and when announced most people even in their most optimistic manner just prayed he could learn fast.

I think you're wrong about LVG's time here being later re-written. It'll always be remembered as a poor tenure that ended on a bright note with the FA Cup. No journalist of any high merit will ever get away with changing the story on that.
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Oh I'm including myself with those fans fwiw. I was optimistic too. It was the notes of caution from posters like (I think) @Balu that had me ever so slightly worried but I did my best to ignore them and focus on the positives. For a while, anyway.
 
LVG killed the game for me. I literally fell asleep watch us play plenty of times these last two seasons.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Might well be a thread about this already but I can't find it. Interested in opinions about who did a worse job. I firmly believe Van Gaal did worse than Moyes, when you take into account the length of their spell in charge, the money invested in the squad and the relative strength of the teams around them.

Anyone else agree?

Anyone disagree?

Oh and for the record, I think Moyes did a very bad job. He was clearly out of his depth and was rightfully sacked.
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Agree on all points. I think it was a rude awakening after the Ferguson Years' and this impacted greatly on his performance in the eyes of the faithful. However considering the money LvG spent and time he was given .. easily LvG. I feel sure Moyes could have done no worse in terms of style or transfers with that large a transfer kitty.
 
bleedred said:
LVG spent around 200 million to get us two/three places above Moyes.
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Not this again... his net spend was close to half that and everyone recognised that Fergie had let the average squad age get too high.

LVG presided over some grim footie and in the end even a patient fan like me was glad to see the back of him.

However, he bought in players like Martial, brought on players like Rashford, CBJ, TFM etc. and generally steadied the ship after the disaster that was Moyes.

Louis left us on a high note with the FA Cup and with some solid defensive foundations with the lowest goals against in the Prem.

Moyes was by far the worst thing to happen to United and no amount of LVG 'philosophy' will change that...
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Rafateria said:
Agree on all points. I think it was a rude awakening after the Ferguson Years' and this impacted greatly on his performance in the eyes of the faithful. However considering the money LvG spent and time he was given .. easily LvG. I feel sure Moyes could have done no worse in terms of style or transfers with that large a transfer kitty.
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This is equivalent to saying Brendan is worse than hodgson because he spent more money and was given more time.
 
Van Gaal.

Came with a big reputation, spent enough money and still complained about lacking a certain type of player.

I had no hope with Moyes, I knew we would be crap and we were. I tell you what, I never felt as out of love with Football as i did last year with LVG.
 
Think this answers the question

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And not to forget

. Jesse's wonder goal to win the FA Cup

. Rashford and Martial

. Martial goal against Pool

. 4-2 at home against City

. Mata's goal at Anfield

. 3-2 win at home against Arsenal with a bunch(One of the best United I've had in years and that includes Fergie time in charge.

Anyone who says Van Gaal was worse than Moyes is talking out of their arse(Sorry @Pogue Mahone)
 
Moyes.

At least LVG had the balls to pretend he was gonna win.
 
stevoc said:
Yeah Evra's goal was a cracker, pity it happened in yet another hammering vs a good team under Moyes.
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True. For a moment we got to experience what it must be like for fans of a lower league team score against a PL giant in the FA cup though :lol::lol:

"feck ye get int here lets ave it feck ye....oh.....cool game anyway"
 
Kudos to @Pogue Mahone for thinking he'd get an answer based on anything other than raw anger caused by Moyes. I seriously considered asking the mods for a ban during the Moyes tenure. Things got that depressing on here. The slightest hint of optimism or joy was snuffed out by the dementors (some who hadn't made posts for years).
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I remember when he was first hired some of the only dissenting voices came from Bayern fans who had lived through his horrible brand of football. To the United fans who were desperate for him to succeed his stint in Germany was spun into unqualified success. The same will happen about his time in charge of United, no doubt. Reading some of the comments in this thread, that process is already underway!
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It must be mentioned that for some weird reason, there was almost universal consensus on the Caf, verging on fanaticism, that LVG was the most qualified. Further proof that we know feck all in the grand scheme of things.
 
Rafateria said:
No it's not. Well it might be in your head.
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Well it is.

Brendan spent more than 200m and spent 3 years and left the club one place above what he took over.

If we consider just time and money factors then that's what you could gauge too. Clearly there are lots of other factors to also consider
 
sullydnl said:
Indeed. "Stabilised a club in free-fall, returned them to the CL in his first season, won their first major trophy post-SAF, brought X, Y and Z into the team, laid the foundations for Mourinho's success". Once memory of his tumescent football fades, that becomes a neat bit of spin.
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Yes. Like how Moyes reign was better than LvG's spin is happening right now before our every eyes.
 
adexkola said:
It must be mentioned that for some weird reason, there was almost universal consensus on the Caf, verging on fanaticism, that LVG was the most qualified. Further proof that we know feck all in the grand scheme of things.
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I was certainly hoping he was the new messiah. I was willing to give him time initially but thank God he's gone now.
 
adexkola said:
It must be mentioned that for some weird reason, there was almost universal consensus on the Caf, verging on fanaticism, that LVG was the most qualified. Further proof that we know feck all in the grand scheme of things.
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He was the most qualified. If I remember correctly, the market for managers wasn't really great that summer.
 
LVG 200mill+ spent, barely got 4th in first season, knocked out in group stages in CL, worst football I`ve ever seen, and then surprised when he was sacked, well deluded

Those praising the prominence of the youth, that was out of his hand , we were totally injury depleted especially in that match against midgetland, when he made his breakthrough, what a match that was though
 
prath92 said:
Well it is.

Brendan spent more than 200m and spent 3 years and left the club one place above what he took over.

If we consider just time and money factors then that's what you could gauge too. Clearly there are lots of other factors to also consider
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We're not comparing BR to Budgie. We are debating Moyes and LvG so those two are totally irrelevant. As I said .. except in your head. God you ready come out with some wummish shite at times.
 
adexkola said:
It must be mentioned that for some weird reason, there was almost universal consensus on the Caf, verging on fanaticism, that LVG was the most qualified. Further proof that we know feck all in the grand scheme of things.
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Who was more qualified and available at the time?

LvG was known to rebuild teams, give youth a chance and win league titles where ever he went. Everything we wanted at the time.

And Moyes was that fecking terrible, we could have had Mohamed Al Fayed and we would have considered it a step up.
 
Van Gaal positives - got 4th in his first season and won the first post-Fergie trophy in his second. His record against the big teams was generally decent.

Van Gaal negatives - tedious football, regression in his second season leading to a 5th place finish, embarassing performances in Europe (both competitions) and, most pertinent for the present, a poor record in the transfer market.

Moyes positives - none, absolutely none. For those basing their argument on the fact Van Gaal wasted a lot of money, I am confident Moyes would have done likewise had he been given a second season given the level of his initial targets (Fellaini and Baines) and the fact he often bought poorly when Everton allowed him to spend biggish (Johnson, Beattie, the Russian guy).

So, it has to be Van Gaal as the better of the two even though it feels like recommending a restaurant on the basis that the food is mediocre and tastless but at least won't give you food poisoning.
 
I would genuinely call it a draw. Too hard to differentiate between the two. Lvg had a better league finish and wona trophy but he spent fortunes too.
The football under the two were as bad as each other.
A nil nil draw between these two for me.
 
Moyes may be the correct answer as LVG signed Martial and won the cup but for me the two years under LVG were just so fcking depressing. I started to dread watching us play. He completely sucked the joy out of everything. Football isn't supposed to be that miserable. Watching United is one of my favourite things. I look forward to it for days. LVG basically took that away from me for for two years. And he did it on purpose. I hate him for it.

So I voted Van Gaal
 
The fact that both of them seemed to be shocked at their sacking and convinced they'd be given more time says a lot about how fecking moronic and delusional they were.
 
LVG for me.

Moyes came into an impossible situation - yes we were shit but he was on to a loser from day one.

LVG spent a king's ransom on players and we were still shit, despite a cup win.
 
It's important to remember that David Moyes took over a side that won the league at a canter and Van Gaal took over a side that had finished seventh and had little confidence as a result.

I think Moyes was much, much worse.
 
Andy_Cole said:
From a Liverpool fan mate of mine:

I like LVG more than I did Moyes!

I think LVG may have been worse! However he did win us a cup so wasn't all bad. Plus promoted a few youngsters.
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Moyes managed Everton and Manchester United. He's probably one of the most despised managers among Liverpool supporters.
 
Moyes was worse. LvG had better league finishes and won a cup despite starting out with a worse squad in a worse condition. LvG's team could also beat anyone whilst Moyes crumbled against the bigger teams.

It's basically some positives vs. zero positives.
 
LvG. He spent huge amount of money and played soul destroying football
 
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