Who would you have as our new manager

Have you ever seen Bielsa teams Liam? Do you know why he got sacked in the first place?

Laudrup plays the most boring football ever seen in EPL? Are you serious

Seriously Liam, I understand you, a young guy who tries desperately to act like a 50 years old fan and support the manager when everything is agains it. Don't act like an arse trying to be smart though.
Yes, they were ace against us, but he's knocking on and whilst he put everything into that Europa League campaign it saw them slide well down the league. Then they slid further and he got sacked. There's a reason these people haven't done it at numerous clubs.

Have you watched Swansea? Horrible to watch. No intention of scoring goals, just intent on breaking the record for number of 10 yard passes successfully completed in a match. They're like a really shit version of Spain.
 
Seriously, do you read what are you writing before you post it?

Klopp flower of the month? Kill me now.

Ole having a poor start? Seriously?

Simeone not having achieved anything? Are you for real, or just an extreme version of Pimpy from the other side of the argument?
Flavour* of the month. Yes. Watched much of Dortmund this season? He won't last at Dortmund. Honestly, assuming we get through against Olympiakos, they're the most preferable opponent we could get in the quarters. You make out like he's kept Dortmund at the top of German football for a decade. He got them up there and now it can't be maintained.

Ole's hardly set the world alight has he? It's not so much that he had a poor start as that he's not really done anything that we expected of him in order for him to be a viable candidate at United. If he comes to Old Trafford or City and gets a result, then maybe you can start believing the hype, but in the end, he didn't, and they weren't remotely convincing against Norwich. He's not the saviour you want.

Tell me where all the talk for Simeone to be our next manager was before this season. Nowhere to be seen.
 
Hindsight is wonderful but we should have appointed from within, perhaps Giggs might have been the right successor with the coaching staff staying in place.

But we are where we are, sticking with Moyes is the best option still I'm afraid.
 
Flavour* of the month. Yes. Watched much of Dortmund this season? He won't last at Dortmund. Honestly, assuming we get through against Olympiakos, they're the most preferable opponent we could get in the quarters. You make out like he's kept Dortmund at the top of German football for a decade. He got them up there and now it can't be maintained.

Ole's hardly set the world alight has he? It's not so much that he had a poor start as that he's not really done anything that we expected of him in order for him to be a viable candidate at United. If he comes to Old Trafford or City and gets a result, then maybe you can start believing the hype, but in the end, he didn't, and they weren't remotely convincing against Norwich. He's not the saviour you want.

Tell me where all the talk for Simeone to be our next manager was before this season. Nowhere to be seen.

Every year his losing a top player however he has kept them in the top 4 and won the league. He might be the German Wenger for all we know... but he is a far better manager than Moyes.
 
Flavour* of the month. Yes. Watched much of Dortmund this season? He won't last at Dortmund. Honestly, assuming we get through against Olympiakos, they're the most preferable opponent we could get in the quarters. You make out like he's kept Dortmund at the top of German football for a decade. He got them up there and now it can't be maintained.

Ole's hardly set the world alight has he? It's not so much that he had a poor start as that he's not really done anything that we expected of him in order for him to be a viable candidate at United. If he comes to Old Trafford or City and gets a result, then maybe you can start believing the hype, but in the end, he didn't, and they weren't remotely convincing against Norwich. He's not the saviour you want.

Tell me where all the talk for Simeone to be our next manager was before this season. Nowhere to be seen.
You win the debate Liam. Seriously.

Moyes is excellent and Klopp who became the manager of Dortmund which had a lower budget than Everton won only 2 German leagues, 1 Cup and went into the final of UCL is flavor of the month. Shame on him for not being able to compete against Bayern who have the best manager in the world and by far the best team. He's shit.

What Simeone has done? Winning a Copa Del Rey against Madrid. Being on the first place in the league which has Barca and Madrid. Phew, everyone could do that.

So the only way for Ole to prove himself is to win against us in OT or at City in Etihad. Look in the mirror Liam, Moyes couldn't ever win away against top 4 in 50 games.
 
van Gaal!? So we spend a year trying to implement a new style of football, then get in a new totally contrasting manager who'll spend the next year doing the same thing. He's also 62, Holland manager, and I absolutely hate his face.

Flavour of the month. Dortmund struggling horrendously this year.

Not really achieved anything. His 'achievements' this season don't count as they haven't actually won anything yet. Their squad is far too small to keep it going on all fronts. Something has to give. Also flavour of the month.

Jesus.

Achieved very little. Did very well with Molde, a totally insignificant club. Had a poor start at Cardiff. Not the revolutionary many expected/hoped.

feck me sideways, lads, these are some God-awful suggestions.

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Klopp, flavour of the month. Jesus wept. Have a look at his CV before you go spouting uninformed nonsense round the forum! He's won more than Moyes could dream of!
 
Flavour* of the month. Yes. Watched much of Dortmund this season? He won't last at Dortmund. Honestly, assuming we get through against Olympiakos, they're the most preferable opponent we could get in the quarters. You make out like he's kept Dortmund at the top of German football for a decade. He got them up there and now it can't be maintained.
They're struggling because their squad is decimated by injuries. Their entire back 4 injured, as well as Gundogan. Any team would be struggling with those sorts of injuries.

To everyone saying Klopp will leave because his players get poached by 'bigger' clubs, this is a quote from Hummels:

Mats Hummels in response to the question why Dortmund have been coping quite well with the losses of players:

"Because everyone in the club have been prepared for these consequences. Four years ago, Jürgen Klopp said already to us players that this could happen. But we want to continue proceeding this way with the club and perhaps achieving a level that prevent us from such players leaving. But that's not a process of one or two year, more one of ten years."
He expected the journey to be tough, it takes years before a club can grow to such that their players stop getting poached by other clubs. Dortmund isn't up there financially yet, but if they continue to remain in the CL, and if the Bundesliga continues to grow, then it's not impossible that Dortmund will be viewed as a top tier club in 5-10 years time. Hence why Klopp will not leave just because he's fed up his players are leaving. This is his project. He won't leave it halfway through. He is happy with the people running the club and enjoys a close relationship with the sporting director and the CEO. He is also quite well paid after his recent extension.
 
You win the debate Liam. Seriously.

Moyes is excellent and Klopp who became the manager of Dortmund which had a lower budget than Everton won only 2 German leagues, 1 Cup and went into the final of UCL is flavor of the month. Shame on him for not being able to compete against Bayern who have the best manager in the world and by far the best team. He's shit.

What Simeone has done? Winning a Copa Del Rey against Madrid. Being on the first place in the league which has Barca and Madrid. Phew, everyone could do that.

So the only way for Ole to prove himself is to win against us in OT or at City in Etihad. Look in the mirror Liam, Moyes couldn't ever win away against top 4 in 50 games.

This is one the most worrying aspects of Moyes' track record.
 
You win the debate Liam. Seriously.

Moyes is excellent and Klopp who became the manager of Dortmund which had a lower budget than Everton won only 2 German leagues, 1 Cup and went into the final of UCL is flavor of the month. Shame on him for not being able to compete against Bayern who have the best manager in the world and by far the best team. He's shit.

What Simeone has done? Winning a Copa Del Rey against Madrid. Being on the first place in the league which has Barca and Madrid. Phew, everyone could do that.

So the only way for Ole to prove himself is to win against us in OT or at City in Etihad. Look in the mirror Liam, Moyes couldn't ever win away against top 4 in 50 games.
I'm not saying that Klopp hasn't done a good job. But it's him doing this good job that's got people like you rating him as the second coming. He's been doing it for what, three years?

Roberto Martinez won the FA Cup against Man City. With a far poorer side than Atletico.

He's doing a good job this season in the league but who cares? What if they came fifth? I know they won't, but my point is that you can't just say after half a season that he's doing a job worthy of being United manager. At the end of the season we'll see if they're still in a title race, let alone winning the thing. They won't. The talk of Simeone being United's next manager will stop, too.
 
They're struggling because their squad is decimated by injuries. Their entire back 4 injured, as well as Gundogan. Any team would be struggling with those sorts of injuries.
Thankfully we've had no injuries this year.

It's probably worth mentioning that with the Glazers we can't compete financially either. Or at least we couldn't. Perhaps in the summer they'll have no choice, but my point is that we've probably invested less than Dortmund in the last five years.
 
Dream impossible choices: Mourinho, Pep, Klopp

Possible choices A: Bielsa, Van Gaal, Simeone, Hiddink, Heycknes

Possible choices B: Martinez, Pochetino, Laudrup, Prandelli

Romantic choice: Ole

This list would pretty much sum it up for me, with Gary Nev and Giggsy as romantic choices too, whether they would be brilliant managers is of course a mystery.

I haven't read through this, but what would anyone think of Quieroz coming in?
 
I'm not saying that Klopp hasn't done a good job. But it's him doing this good job that's got people like you rating him as the second coming. He's been doing it for what, three years?

Roberto Martinez won the FA Cup against Man City. With a far poorer side than Atletico.

He's doing a good job this season in the league but who cares? What if they came fifth? I know they won't, but my point is that you can't just say after half a season that he's doing a job worthy of being United manager. At the end of the season we'll see if they're still in a title race, let alone winning the thing. They won't. The talk of Simeone being United's next manager will stop, too.
It's not just because Klopp has won things that people want him. It's the playing style that he brings to the club, he's got a clear idea of how he wants his teams to play and buys specific players that fit into that philosophy. Moyes so far has not shown what his philosophy is or anything remotely close to a playing style.
 
This list would pretty much sum it up for me, with Gary Nev and Giggsy as romantic choices too, whether they would be brilliant managers is of course a mystery.

I haven't read through this, but what would anyone think of Quieroz coming in?

Mourinho didn't have to be a "dream" or "impossible" choice - he was there for the taking and we rejected him on the basis of some outmoded, archaic, romantic mindset.
 
It's impossible to predict who will go on to succeed. AVB looked superb on paper. Mancini seemed a decent choice, and while he did win the league, I bet most here wouldn't have wanted him here. Many of the names listed in this thread don't look better than those two.
 
It's not just because Klopp has won things that people want him. It's the playing style that he brings to the club, he's got a clear idea of how he wants his teams to play and buys specific players that fit into that philosophy. Moyes so far has not shown what his philosophy is or anything remotely close to a playing style.
But even Klopp started pretty slowly there. Obviously he's managing a poorer side, but it still took time to get them playing how they are now. I believe Moyes is warranted the same courtesy.
 
Que? Wrong post I reckon you got there.

You were replying to Revan's list of possible managers - Mourinho is listed as a "dream impossible" option - I am just making the point that he was completely available to us.

Looking at it, the mind boggles. Christ, on what planet is Moyes or suitable than Mourinho? Absurd.
 
But even Klopp started pretty slowly there. Obviously he's managing a poorer side, but it still took time to get them playing how they are now. I believe Moyes is warranted the same courtesy.
So far, I haven't seen any indication of the direction he wants to take the team in. Unless running down the byline and crossing the ball in is his idea of entertaining football.
 
Simeone will definitely be the hottest ascending manager this summer, especially if Atletico win La Liga. The sugar daddy owners will be all over him.
The sugar daddy clubs are successful anyway, so why would they change their manager. Chelsea might of course, Jose then would be free.
 
You were replying to Revan's list of possible managers - Mourinho is listed as a "dream impossible" option - I am just making the point that he was completely available to us.

Looking at it, the mind boggles. Christ, on what planet is Moyes or suitable than Mourinho? Absurd.

Oh. yeah the way he has phrased these managers isn't quite right. No manager is impossible to get here, I'm sure every manager dreams of having this job. I think he was available too, and was quite bemused when he was apparently not even fergie's first choice.
 
Right, well you keep doing that for the sake of it. Invaluable addition to the forum.

For the sake of it? Congratulations, you have literally discovered the purpose of an internet discussion forum. If you don't want to get called out on saying stupid shit, stop saying stupid shit.

In fact, you're the one who keeps the discussion going by keeping arguing about it. If it was that much of a waste of time for you, perhaps you should have let it go.
 
Invent a time machine, go back to the summer and appoint the Portuguese guy who should have got the job in the fecking first place.
 
Thankfully we've had no injuries this year.

It's probably worth mentioning that with the Glazers we can't compete financially either. Or at least we couldn't. Perhaps in the summer they'll have no choice, but my point is that we've probably invested less than Dortmund in the last five years.

Seriusly Liam, read what you post.

BVB has half of our revenue (much less when Klopp took them). Their wage to revenue ratio us the lowest in Europe. They spend in transfers only a fraction of what we spend.

On the other side, we are one of the clubs who spend mosly (around 170m in last two and a half years), our wage bill is on top 5 - top 7 in the world (more than twice of BVB bill).

Do you have your own opinions or you are only a bot who rehashes myths like Glazers don't spend and EPL is much better than anything else?

And yes, Martinez won a cup. Something that Moyes couldn't ever done. And now with Moyes' team is doing better than Moyes ever did.
 
Thankfully we've had no injuries this year.

It's probably worth mentioning that with the Glazers we can't compete financially either. Or at least we couldn't. Perhaps in the summer they'll have no choice, but my point is that we've probably invested less than Dortmund in the last five years.

You sir are amazing!
Dortmund net spend during Klopps time: ~€5m
United net spend in the same time span: ~€150m

But even Klopp started pretty slowly there. Obviously he's managing a poorer side, but it still took time to get them playing how they are now. I believe Moyes is warranted the same courtesy.

Klopp inherited a squad that was called unmanagable and finished on place 13 with 62 goals conceded, let's compare that to the title winning squad moyes inherited.
 
Seriusly Liam, read what you post.

BVB has half of our revenue (much less when Klopp took them). Their wage to revenue ratio us the lowest in Europe. They spend in transfers only a fraction of what we spend.

On the other side, we are one of the clubs who spend mosly (around 170m in last two and a half years), our wage bill is on top 5 - top 7 in the world (more than twice of BVB bill).

Do you have your own opinions or you are only a bot who rehashes myths like Glazers don't spend and EPL is much better than anything else?

And yes, Martinez won a cup. Something that Moyes couldn't ever done. And now with Moyes' team is doing better than Moyes ever did.
:lol: GTFO. I'm done here.
You sir are amazing!
Dortmund net spend during Klopps time: ~€5m
United net spend in the same time span: ~€150m
In fairness, Dortmund's spending rivals are Bayern. Ours are Man City and Chelsea. Our rivals will perpetually beat us to major signings. Bayern on the other hand, just nick Dortmund's players.
 
Do you have your own opinions or you are only a bot who rehashes myths like Glazers don't spend and EPL is much better than anything else?

And yes, Martinez won a cup. Something that Moyes couldn't ever done. And now with Moyes' team is doing better than Moyes ever did.

He also relegated Wigan and getting back from Championship is hell of work to do.

Martinez team is doing better than Moyes ever did ? I'd wait with such claims untill end of the season really, Moyes got Everton to fourth at the end of the season, Martinez is yet to do that.

To be fair, whoever throws names like Martinez, Pochettino, Ole is having a crack imo, those managers wouldn't do much better than Moyes did and I don't want to imagine all the shit Ole would be getting at this stage of the season, it would've been pathetic. Laudrup's name is being mentioned too yet Swans are playing like shit in the league this season.
 
You were replying to Revan's list of possible managers - Mourinho is listed as a "dream impossible" option - I am just making the point that he was completely available to us.

Oh, I definitely agree. We could have got him if we weren't a bit stupid.

Now, he is almost impossible though. Or unless Roman decides to sack him. I was talking about Moyes' possible replacements, not who should have been hired in the summer (in that case I was in favour of Mourinho).
 
In fairness, Dortmund's spending rivals are Bayern. Ours are Man City and Chelsea. Our rivals will perpetually beat us to major signings. Bayern on the other hand, just nick Dortmund's players.

And Dortmund can't do major singings at all.

Not sure if you think that losing your best players every year is an advantage for a manager.
 
Oh, I definitely agree. We could have got him if we weren't a bit stupid.

Now, he is almost impossible though. Or unless Roman decides to sack him. I was talking about Moyes' possible replacements, not who should have been hired in the summer (in that case I was in favour of Mourinho).

Totally agree with you - you're right to say he's impossible now. My point was that it didn't need to be this way.

Romance has taken us to 7th place, playing shit on a stick football.
 
:lol: GTFO. I'm done here.

Exactly what I expected. You don't have opinions that come from you but only rehashes things that some t0p reds say. United should stick with manager because it is a proven science that if you stick with a manager - regardless how shit he is - he'll turn out to be amazing. Glazers are bad despite we have had our best period in history under them, our revenues have been more than doubled, they never have interferred with the manager's job, our wage is higher than of any other team bar suggar dadys clubs and Real/Barca and we spend a lot in transfers. Like it or not, we have spend arounf 170m since the summer of 2011. On 30 months. That is a serious investment.