Why dont we shoot from outside the box?

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Van Gaal said this after the match.

'I have said at half-time "We can shoot from outside the box. Why you don't shoot?".'

I honestly thought the lack of shooting was a management decision. Turns out its not. Rooney especially used to have a hell of a shot on him, but seems to hate shooting now.
 
We don't even shoot inside of the box, there was certain moment in the game when somebody played it to Schweiny, he controlled it, had all time and space to shoot and he decided to kill it on the ground and pass it on, trying to walk in the ball into the fecking net.
 
izec said:
Thats one of the weirdest things. We want to pass the ball into the net it seems
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Without getting anywhere closer to the goal. That can be difficult at times.

Mata does attempt a few every now and then but that's about it. We do lack good long range shooters.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Van Gaal said this after the match.

'I have said at half-time "We can shoot from outside the box. Why you don't shoot?".'

I honestly thought the lack of shooting was a management decision. Turns out its not. Rooney especially used to have a hell of a shot on him, but seems to hate shooting now.
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Wow. Really surprised Van Gaal has said that. I'd noticed the lack of shooting outside the box, and assumed it was part of the philosophy. Keeping the ball is more important than taking audacious potshots that give away possession.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Van Gaal said this after the match.

'I have said at half-time "We can shoot from outside the box. Why you don't shoot?".'

I honestly thought the lack of shooting was a management decision. Turns out its not. Rooney especially used to have a hell of a shot on him, but seems to hate shooting now.
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And if he does he shapes to put it in the far top corner about 5 minutes before shooting, so easy to read, like you said he can really lash it and needs to return to basics a bit I think.
 
Kostur said:
We don't even shoot inside of the box, there was certain moment in the game when somebody played it to Schweiny, he controlled it, had all time and space to shoot and he decided to kill it on the ground and pass it on, trying to walk in the ball into the fecking net.
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Yeah remember that moment. Sat up perfectly to be hit, edge of the box, worked it wide instead.
 
thejtrain said:
Without getting anywhere closer to the goal. That can be difficult at times.

Mata does attempt a few every now and then but that's about it. We do lack good long range shooters.
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Schweini, Rooney, Mata, Herrera, Schneiderlin all have decent shots on them. We lack the courage. We dont even try. Memphis tried it too at the beginning, but now his confidence is shot.
 
surprising, i like everyone else assumed this was part of the philosophy
i reckon schweiny could've swung at the ball that fell to him in the box, mata had half a sight in the first half where he tried a cute inside pass instead
then wayne wound up to hit one just before the end, it took him about 30 secs just to pull his foot back and the defender basically just walked away with it.
 
I think they maybe a bit of a catch-22 here. van Gaal seems to want us to take a few more risks, however, at the same time, the players are afraid they maybe dropped for losing the ball in a good position, hence why we look to play safe more often than not.
 
Yeah a few shots from outside the box could have opened things for us or got us a goal too... Hope we would work on it in the training
 
RedStarUnited said:
Van Gaal said this after the match.

'I have said at half-time "We can shoot from outside the box. Why you don't shoot?".'

I honestly thought the lack of shooting was a management decision. Turns out its not. Rooney especially used to have a hell of a shot on him, but seems to hate shooting now.
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Well that's interesting. I thought he'd drilled it into us that we couldn't risk taking a shot and losing the ball. Rooney did attempt one towards the end but it was very well blocked right a few feet off him.
 
It's a bit more frustrating knowing that they were specifically told to, but still didn't.
 
Better question would be why don't we shoot.

We average 10.5 shots per game - in the five European leagues, that puts us at 80th place! Behind the likes of Villa, Levante and Sassuollo.
 
Herrera shifting to his weaker foot when he was in an excellent postion to shoot got me angry.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
I think they maybe a bit of a catch-22 here. van Gaal seems to want us to take a few more risks, however, at the same time, the players are afraid they maybe dropped for losing the ball in a good position, hence why we look to play safe more often than not.
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I know LVG hates losing the ball p, he's said it in his post match conference many times. About how a play did or did not lose the ball. But it seems the number one culprit gets a free pass.
 
I was wondering this myself after the game. There were decent openings to do so today and took the seemingly safer pass option every time. Each time however, it was the wrong decision.
 
Memphis did that a lot but he was pretty wasteful. It's an area he needs improving, because the fact is that despite he can hit the ball with power, he still has to learn how to keep it down and how to put a little more curve to the ball when he's on the edge of the box.

Mata is good at dead ball situations but i can't really remember him scoring many goals from distance from open play. I always felt that he's better at spotting spaces in the box, operating as a SS and using his good technique to finish moves. I don't know about Martial yet but i see that he prefers to go 1v1 and get in the box rather than shoot the ball from distance.

Rooney is good at it but as a forward i doubt he'll find many opportunities to do that. His primary objective is to stretch the CBs and create pockets of space for the three players behind him in between the lines. Anyway, nowadays he couldn't hold onto the ball when closed down even if his life depended on it, how the hell would he find space and time on the ball to attempt a shot?

That leaves us with the CMs and Herrera. Morgan and Bastian play much deeper and are forced to stay deep most of the time cause we use the FBs a lot to build up attacks and they have to support and cover for them. They are the first ones who try to press and close down the first attacker when we lose possession. It's difficult for them to find many shooting opportunities.

I think something similar happens with Herrera. Whenever he's on the pitch, he eventually ends up operating as a third holding player because of our inability to keep the ball in the final third.
 
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Barkley's goal yesterday is a prime example of why it's worth taking a long range punt now and again.
 
The manager may ask you question of the players but then if I were playing under him I'd challenge back.

I'd be asking if I'd be dropped for giving away the ball because that's what seems to happen. Or I'd be asking why is Rooney still in the team every week.

See its one thing for the coach to ask these things but there's a lot that the coach needs to be challenged back on.

But it is a wonder why we don't shoot from outside the box. Especially with players like Rooney, Schweinsteiger and Mata! Then again probably our best striker of the ball from outside of the box is currently sat on the bench! To accommodate Rooney.
 
I noticed Rooney trying to set up a shot couple of times... Problem was he's no longer as sharp and quick feeted as he was before and got closed down before he could get the shot away. But I suppose at least he was one who tried.
 
I was thinking the exact same thing whilst watching the game.

Rooney and Schweinsteiger in particular had decent chances to shoot at goal but instead decided to try a clever pass and lost the ball.

Are we trying to do what Arsenal were known for and walk it in?
 
Rich_H_1989 said:
The manager may ask you question of the players but then if I were playing under him I'd challenge back.

I'd be asking if I'd be dropped for giving away the ball because that's what seems to happen. Or I'd be asking why is Rooney still in the team every week.

See its one thing for the coach to ask these things but there's a lot that the coach needs to be challenged back on.

But it is a wonder why we don't shoot from outside the box. Especially with players like Rooney, Schweinsteiger and Mata! Then again probably our best striker of the ball from outside of the box is currently sat on the bench! To accommodate Rooney.
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Just wondering from where you obtained this amazing 'facht'?
 
Feedingseagulls said:
Just wondering from where you obtained this amazing 'facht'?
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Well... Last season ADM was dropped for giving the ball away in LVGs eyes too much. The same now has happened to Memphis. Mata and Herrera both came in and out of the side last season because they tried things and ended up giving the ball away. It's not a facht but it seems to be what happens.
 
Rich_H_1989 said:
Well... Last season ADM was dropped for giving the ball away in LVGs eyes too much. The same now has happened to Memphis. Mata and Herrera both came in and out of the side last season because they tried things and ended up giving the ball away. It's not a facht but it seems to be what happens.
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Just quickly on one I do remember... Herrera's issue was positional discipline, when to go where, when to chase, when to go to the ball etc. As explained by the player himself to the press.
 
Adisa said:
Herrera shifting to his weaker foot when he was in an excellent postion to shoot got me angry.
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He had no chance to shoot on his right foot, the angle was completely wrong.
 
VP said:
We average 10.5 shots per game - in the five European leagues, that puts us at 80th place! Behind the likes of Villa, Levante and Sassuollo.
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That's crazy.
 
Because when Depay does shoot outside the box the caf hate on him. You guys want us to shoot outside the box, but at the same time keep possession. Make your mind up!
 
Rich_H_1989 said:
Well... Last season ADM was dropped for giving the ball away in LVGs eyes too much. The same now has happened to Memphis. Mata and Herrera both came in and out of the side last season because they tried things and ended up giving the ball away. It's not a facht but it seems to be what happens.
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ADM lost balls very easily and did it a lot!

Shooting isnt giving the ball away.
 
You need to have the space to shoot with a realistic chance of scoring. Personally, I don't like seeing players putting their foot through it when they're off balance, on their weaker side, too close to a defender, etc. Look at Liverpool against Southampton. Absolutely clueless, woeful shooting from anywhere and everywhere around the box.

What we need is a no.9 who will stretch the defence (Martial) and open up those little pockets in and around the edge of the box for players like Herrera and Mata to run into and shoot. We do need to shoot a little bit more when we have an opportunity from 30 yards. schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger both declined good opportunities to shoot from good central positions against City. I think these were the opportunities van Gaal was referring to, also Martial had a good opportunity to shoot but he took too many touches.
 
Rich_H_1989 said:
Well... Last season ADM was dropped for giving the ball away in LVGs eyes too much. The same now has happened to Memphis. Mata and Herrera both came in and out of the side last season because they tried things and ended up giving the ball away. It's not a facht but it seems to be what happens.
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He was mostly benched because he made little attempt to help out defensively after giving the ball away. That is the biggest crime in LVG's eyes.
 
I don't think any coach in his right mind will tell his players that they'll be dropped if they miss a shot on goal. That's ridiculous. By the time you're right at the edge of their area with a decent sight on goal, the whole "retain possession" thingy shouldn't even come into it. Maybe the tricky thing is to decide what is considered a "decent" chance, and our player seem a bit too cautious at this time.
 
United are the only premier-league club to have not scored a single goal from outside the box in 2015 in the league
 
It shows a lack of confidence that we are not even attempting shots from outside the box.
 
It's pointless shooting at the goal if there's two ranks of four between you and your target. The way we play is so slow and deliberate the opposition midfield and defence have all the time in the world to get back and crowd us out. Even in the unlikely event one of our players gets enough time to try and shoot from range they'll have one or two players between them and the goal, which is bound to make them trigger-shy.
 
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