he's been great for chelsea this season, especially given that his teammates have been underwhelming for large parts of the season.
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People always talk about how good he is defensively because, set pieces aside, he adds nothing going forward.
It's very telling that Willian is Chelsea's best player in their worst season so far in over a decade. If he's been their best performer, something is wrong - in an ideal world he wouldn't even be a regular starter, he's a Dirk Kuyt/Park level player.
I would take him over any other Chelsea player. The only player to step up and change things when things are going bad in our team. The likes of Hazard, Fabregas and Costa are disgraceful and don't deserve the paychecks that they get.
Park would only dream of having Willian's skills on the ball.
I agree.
And Willian would only dream of being as influential as Park was in open play.
Park's was only good at one thing and it was running around and closing space. In terms of football, he was ok.
Thank god, in that case, that you're not building a side I support.
What a joke ! Willian over Hazard ! Willian is a bang average PL footballer who can strike a decent dead ball. Hazard, albeit off form, is a top class footballer destined for greatness.
... And Willian is only good at one thing, and that's running around and closing space. He's got two, now I guess, and that's his free kicks.
It's a matter of opinion obviously so let's agree to disagree on this one.
Neither will reach greatness IMO.
Of course you have, given you're quite blatantly a Chelsea fan.
And no his all round open play game is can be defined by one word - ineffective.
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One surely won't, that's the point.
Oh I didn't realise you know who I am and my likes. So what's my name if you can tell that much about me? I watch Chelsea because I'm intrigued with their current dip in form and I like watching some of their players. Nothing wrong with that.
By skills do you mean those pointless little dribbles that sometimes actually takes him backward rather than forward?
Park was far superior.
Good lord. It's like people don't watch United play at all.
Willian?
And did you watch Chelsea last season because you were intrigued by their great form?
Neither surely won't more like. I rather have 11 Willians who will give their all then 11 Hazards who pick and choose when they perform.
I watch a lot of football. I don't just watch Chelsea. But because Chelsea are one of the big four they are on the tv the most amount of time, thus I will be able to watch them. You are basically saying because I watch Chelsea that I support them. This is nonsense.
Park was better than Willian IMO. Park wasn't just a workhorse but also technically a very decent player and influential in his play.
Let's hope your manager and owners think the same way. Willian ahead of Hazard is laughable in every way imaginable.
If you say so
Hazard has a shit mentality and will never reach the top. He doesn't have the drive or determination to want to win everything and chooses when he wants to perform.Let's hope your manager and owners think the same way. Willian ahead of Hazard is laughable in every way imaginable.
If you say so
He isn't in a bad run of form this season, he just isn't interested in performing to his ability. The only times he has played well so far is when he is a CAM. Whenever he is put out wide he gives up and doesn't perform. Case in point being Norwich on saturday and Maccabi on Tuesday. He was the best player against Norwich and the worst against Maccabi. Only difference? Where he played.
Also, he hasn't really developed into a great player and hasn't really improved each year with us. His goals and assists per game are pretty much the same every year and his dribbling and passing stats are basically the same with miniscule improvement. The only reason why he got plaudits last year were because we won the league, despite being no better then the year before.
You're also slagging off Willian for doing pointless things. Hazard is the king of pointless and indecisive moves. Even at his best, he is mainly doing pointless stupid runs that achieve nothing and little flicks and tricks with no end product. The guy is more content with a good backheel then an assist or goal.
I don't like nor rate Hazard any more and would be perfectly okay with him going and replacing him with somebody like Griezmann or Reus.
Even if all that is true (You can bet you ass Chelsea fans were singing a different tune last season), that still doesn't take away from the stupidity of taking Willian over Hazard. Hazard could retire tomorrow and he'd probably still end up with more goals in his career than Willian and he's 4 years younger.
If a Hazard, who's supposedly not bothered about a goal or assist, has about twice the the number goals (and god knows how many assists more) than WIllian despite being 4 years younger then that says it all.
If a Hazard, who's supposedly not bothered about a goal or assist, has about twice the the number goals (and god knows how many assists more) than WIllian despite being 4 years younger then that says it all.
2 years. Hazard is 25 in a month and Willian is 27.
Hazard is undoubtedly better then Willian. Problem is, Hazard will play well for so long before he becomes disinterested and stops performing. That is inevitable whilst Willian is consistently to a high standard.
Also, he gets better numbers because not only is he naturally more gifted but he also has every attack go through him.
Except Willian's supposed 'high' standard is not all that high and nowhere near Hazard's. Willian current run of form is his best and generally consists of him banging in goals from set pieces and doing little else besides aside from running around. A few months of poor form from Hazard changes nothing.
Willian has never been a very productive player, not even at Shakhtar so this idea (not saying that you are saying this) that Mourinho is somehow responsible for him being less inventive is false. Everything runs through Hazard because he's the player in the team. If everything ran through Willian Chelsea wouldn't be very good.
Not that's not what I meant, I was talking about shooting, passing and carrying the ball between lines. I may not agree with you and it's fine but at least I don't assume you haven't watched football matches.
So, the only thing Park was good at was running around and closing space? I mean, yeah, he clearly wasn't Ronaldo and injuries took it's toll in the latter half of his career but geez...the guy was very good not just at United but at PSV before us.
He was also turning up during the big games (specially against Arsenal) but really I never rated him that highly back then and I still don't right. He was useful in a certain system and against certain opponents.
Christ, I can understand (well, sort of) the weird dislikes people have for specific players in the Ronaldo or Messi type threads, but Willian?! Even if you don't totally agree with me, it's far from being a laughable opinion. He's been superb defensively, offensively and from free kicks this season. (He's Europe's best free kick taker at the moment.) He works insanely hard - routinely covering more ground for Chelsea than anyone else - and is unanimously regarded as their best player at the moment. How is that not a candidate for the league's most well-rounded player this season.
He's not good offensively. That's a pretty major component to be missing when talking about how well rounded a player is...
So, he scores free kicks and runs around and is the best player for an awful Chelsea team. Not the ingredients I would have in mind for describing the most all rounded player in a team never mind the entire league.
Dear lord he's overrated on here these days.
Hipsters. Everybody who shines in the opposition are superstars, our players are one game away from being exposed
Good to see you haven't become any less delusional while I was away.
He's better than Coutinho.
Thats not even true, he is good, just not brilliant.
Nah.
Will.I.An.
Used to think he was overrated last season. Now I think the pendulum has swung around.
I think he is limited by Chelsea's current struggles and would do better with more freedom. I don't think he is a level above any player we have in our squad currently.
Used to think he was overrated last season. Now I think the pendulum has swung around.
I think he is limited by Chelsea's current struggles and would do better with more freedom. I don't think he is a level above any player we have in our squad currently.