Wisconsin teens participate in Nazi salute

Maybe look into your heart on why you can't find some empathy for some kids doing stupid shit while trying to look for flaws.

Empathy for Nazi sympathizers is the last thing the world needs.

These kids are at the perfect age to learn that actions have consequences, sometimes serious ones. It's not like they toilet papered the teachers lounge, they willingly displayed a well known symbol of hate. It isn't funny or stupid behaviour. Arrogant, ignorant and completely insensitive come to mind.
 
How the feck are people excusing this as teenagers being teenagers? Teenagers do dumb stuff, yes, no one is denying that. But making a fecking Nazi salute, on camera, at a time when fascism/white supremacy is on the rise is not one of those dumb things all teenagers do.

You think teenagers are plugged into current events that don't involve sports, music or the Kardashians? The Parkland kids were so impressive because they were able to grow up ahead of schedule and embrace gun control advocacy. But for the most part kids and teenagers are ignorant in those years. Their moral compass is formed by their upbringing and their peer networks. If their upbringing is morally vacant or repugnant... My dad would have (deservedly) slapped the shit out of me if I did as much as yelled out a racial/sexist slur.
 
Sorry, you are doing a much better job in this thread than me. I'm out of this thread.
You are a great guy Adex. Cheers

Nah, I was just a fecked up kid lucky enough to have people around me willing to put in time to turn me around, and not eager to sacrifice me on the altar of public outrage.
 
I do think about it, but what’s the alternative. A slap on the wrist, and they go on with their lives thinking that doing stuff like this is okay? The people that grow up to be racists and other such folks don’t get that way overnight. It starts with things like this where they’re told “they’re just kids, they’ll learn better eventually”

Let’s say that these kids do have their futures ruined, do you think that anyone else will think that doing something like this is okay and do it in the future?

I'm a big black-and-white thinker too, but come on, you gotta see the grey here. Something between a slap on the wrist and destroying someone's life. It's undoubtedly true that a soft approach to these issues breeds more neo Nazis. But it's also undoubtedly true that giving people leeway has given them the room to take a different path. Your instinct just draws you to focus on the former, and others to the latter.

I totally relate to the "what's the alternative". Freedom of speech has loads of amazing benefits which we're right to fear losing if people chip away at it. But some of the adverse effects of freedom of speech really puzzle me. Instinctively you just feel like some ideas shouldn't allow for that breadth of opinion.

How on earth people still celebrate the darkest parts of Nazism is beyond me. It's not even like it's a long time ago. I absolutely cannot relate to that person. But any solution we take comes with it a own downsides and we're really bad at predicting the outcomes of significant societal change.

I was tagged as a bully when I was at school for a brief period of time. If you had a snapshot of that time you might think of me as a harmful part of society. The context around that is really complicated for me to describe.

Essentially there was one person who tried to befriend me in my first year of secondary school. I didn't like her, we just weren't similar people, and she tried even harder to befriend me. It felt like pestering. The class dickhead gave her a mean nickname at some point, and I used it a few times. Of course very little of this was conscious at the time - I was an 11 year old idiot vulnerable to all sorts of environmental pressures. It never went beyond that but it was rightfully classed as bullying.

That brought on an intervention from the school and my parents, and their careful guidance in the right direction did me a lot of good. And I'm a productive and considerate member of society now, as is she. I dont know what would've happened if it went in the other direction. Resentment definitely comes to mind.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't think of me as a dick in that moment. I'd slap my young self silly at that stage. But I'd also give some advice for how to live a better life. I certainly don't think one moment should define me, or anyone. It's easy to dehumanise strangers when you have no context.
 
Empathy for Nazi sympathizers is the last thing the world needs.

These kids are at the perfect age to learn that actions have consequences, sometimes serious ones. It's not like they toilet papered the teachers lounge, they willingly displayed a well known symbol of hate. It isn't funny or stupid behaviour. Arrogant, ignorant and completely insensitive come to mind.

I somehow think not all people in that photo are nazi sympathizers. I maybe wrong on this Dwazza.
 
If they are under 18 years old, the responsibility rests with the parents. Is it legally forbidden in America to make the Nazi salute, or show a swastika? Is communist symbology or their greeting also forbidden? The school could be also blamed for their laxity with the matter.
It seems a bit excessive to blame everyone. In these cases there is usually an inductor that everyone follows to get acceptance.
 
@adexkola @fishfingers15

About the "Ruining their Lives" Hyperbole.

All the universities I am familiar with give conditional acceptance letters. A student's admission into the university is conditional on the student maintaining the academic standard and following the University's Code of Conduct otherwise the University reserves the right to rescind admission. Typically the violation was getting caught committing a prank (stealing traffic signs, trespassing on school property, vandalism, etc) and the kids would have their first choice university rescind admission and sometimes scholarships. I know of at least a half-dozen incidents where this happened from the 80s-90s. In every case the students simply lost a scholarship or lost their first choice university and they simply had to attend their second choice due to facing consequences of their actions. In none of these cases were their "lives ruined" or anything remotely close. To contrary, facing consequences for their mistakes helped them mature and become much better people in the end than they were before and in fact better people than the ones who simply got away with things and never learned their lesson.

So in fact, to argue that these Nazi saluters should get no punishment moving forward in college is actually arguing that they should be getting special treatment. You are basically arguing that their violation deserves special exceptions from University's or scholarships Code of Conduct. Why should Nazi salutes be granted a special exemption to the rules everyone else has to follow? None of the pranksters that lost scholarships or first choice Unis had their lives ruined so why is this fallacious and hyperbolic argument trotted out in this special case? Why should these Nazi Saluters shouldn't get special entitlement treatment that a kid "trespassing" on high school property to pull a prank doesn't get.

Not getting into your first choice university or not getting a scholarship is not remotely equivalent to "ruining your life". By that logic anyone who doesn't get into Stanford or doesn't win all the scholarships they apply for has that their "lives ruined". That logic simply doesn't work. So this whole hyperbole needs to be dismissed. Personally I think facing consequences for their actions like everyone else has to is probably the best first step in helping them evolve into better people.



The reason I brought up the War on Drugs is because that is the one type of conviction that almost always has lifelong consequences (more than violent crime ironically). One reason is drug convictions are the only type of conviction that can potentially eliminate you from getting FAFSA (Federal financial aid). FAFSA is how pretty much every poor, working class and many middle class students in the USA fund their Uni education. FAFSA asks about drug convictions and warns it may disqualify you from federal aid but ironically doesn't ask about violent crime convictions.

I'm a big black-and-white thinker too, but come on, you gotta see the grey here. Something between a slap on the wrist and destroying someone's life.

Not getting into their first choice university and losing potential scholarships is exactly in between a slap on the wrist and "destroying someone's life".
 
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I'm not putting them on the same level. So let's drop the comparisons and speak about this issue.

Kids are idiots. Easily swayed and influenced. Sending this photo across the country to different institutions of learning in the hope that admission offers get rescinded... Preventing then from being in an environment where such attitudes get challenged, preventing them from interacting with other kids of different backgrounds, offering the opportunity of such attitudes and behaviors getting reexamined and discarded... That is the behavior of a society that's lost all ability to adjuciate beyond the outrage topic of the day.

"They can attend community college"... Because those are on a lower tier? Or it reduces their chances of making it in life so right on? Or the people that attend community college aren't worth shielding from these evil kids?

It makes absolutely no sense. What would have made sense? A suspension. Removal of any honors/scholarships dependent on good behavior. More crucially, education on the actual impact of said behavior. Maybe not a funded trip to Auschwitz (shout-out to Chelsea), but a visit to the local Holocaust museum. Or a sit down with a survivor of the Holocaust. Or watch a Speilberg film. Anything that demonstrates that the school takes seriously to train the kids under their tutelage to leave better. Not discard them on the heap, and they deserve it

I kindof agree with this post, and maybe it's because watching the worst parts of reddit and skewed my mind, but do you think sincerity and truth will work on them? This photo apparently isn't a one-off, they have been racist in other contexts for years and been indulged in that behaviour(culminating in the photo). Speaking to survivors or visiting museums would just be another opportunity to troll.
 
Not getting into their first choice university and losing potential scholarships is exactly in between a slap on the wrist and "destroying someone's life".

Agreed. Actually I'd lean towards thinking it would be too lenient for whoever initiated it - maybe a little harsh on the followers. I was responding to this specific point:

I’m glad about them losing scholarships and colleges being alerted to this. If you’re this stupid you deserve to lose your future, and I say this with no remorse, that’s before you even take into consideration the other things posted in this thread about other acts of racism and bullying.
 
I kindof agree with this post, and maybe it's because watching the worst parts of reddit and skewed my mind, but do you think sincerity and truth will work on them? This photo apparently isn't a one-off, they have been racist in other contexts for years and been indulged in that behaviour(culminating in the photo). Speaking to survivors or visiting museums would just be another opportunity to troll.

I think it's an almighty stretch to say that every kid in that photo had been a racist for years and just ended up showing a nazi salute to commemorate their 'racist'ness.
 
Agreed. Actually I'd lean towards thinking it would be too lenient for whoever initiated it - maybe a little harsh on the followers. I was responding to this specific point:

For me I can't look at the future argument without taking into account some chaos theory and other perspectives from the people not talked about who are inevitably affected by decisions about university admission and scholarships.

For example, lets say I'm an admissions officer at University of Wisconsin (this HS is in Wisconsin). The choice really isn't as simple as just making a decision about these students in a bubble because the decision affects other students. So the question as an admissions officer wouldn't just be what is fair to Baraboo Nazi salute student but what is fair to another 10 students applying for admission as well. Is it fair to those other students if I simple overlook this incident and not take it into account? Personally I don't think that would be fair to other students applying for admission or scholarships to pretend this didn't happen or not take it into account. Personally I don't think it would be fair to wait list student #1 for me not to rescind admission to someone nazi saluting even if they were "just a follow". Most universities emphasize the quality of leadership and using the "I was just following someone else Nazi salute" is enough for many admission officers to regard that as a character weakness and reject admission anyway.

I can tell you the opposite though, the two or three kids in this photo NOT Nazi saluting have just massively improved their university prospects. The one kid in the top right can probably pull a David Hogg and get into a university above what he could before.
 
I think it's an almighty stretch to say that every kid in that photo had been a racist for years and just ended up showing a nazi salute to commemorate their 'racist'ness.

Probably not everyone, though there was only one who consciously refused (I posted a tweet about him here). But he and some other anonymous students identified a few leaders who have been racist bullies for years.
 
For me I can't look at the future argument without taking into account some chaos theory and other perspectives from the people not talked about who are inevitably affected by decisions about university admission and scholarships.

For example, lets say I'm an admissions officer at University of Wisconsin (this HS is in Wisconsin). The choice really isn't as simple as just making a decision about these students in a bubble because the decision affects other students. So the question as an admissions officer wouldn't just be what is fair to Baraboo Nazi salute student but what is fair to another 10 students applying for admission as well. Is it fair to those other students if I simple overlook this incident and not take it into account? Personally I don't think that would be fair to other students applying for admission or scholarships to pretend this didn't happen or not take it into account. Personally I don't think it would be fair to wait list student #1 for me not to rescind admission to someone nazi saluting even if they were "just a follow". Most universities emphasize the quality of leadership and using the "I was just following someone else" is enough for many admission officers to regard that as a character weakness.

I can tell you the opposite though, the two or three kids in this photo NOT Nazi saluting have just massively improved their university prospects. The one kid in the top right can probably pull a David Hogg and get into a university above what he could before.

Fair enough. I'm less sure about the follower aspect but generally agree with you.
 
Agreed. Actually I'd lean towards thinking it would be too lenient for whoever initiated it - maybe a little harsh on the followers. I was responding to this specific point:

Yeah maybe saying “losing your entire future” was a bit harsh on my part. I tend to agree with that that poster has been saying here, he’s portrayed my message better than I have.
 
"They can attend community college"... Because those are on a lower tier? Or it reduces their chances of making it in life so right on? Or the people that attend community college aren't worth shielding from these evil kids?

Oh you got this one backwards. This is just a wrong comment.

I went to community college. I got into the University of my choice that I never would have got into without because I worked hard in community college. I love community college. It offers second, third and even fourth chances to people who might have made all sorts of other decisions earlier that either positive or negatively affected their ability to goto university. They offer great opportunities and should be in every region. I strongly support funding for community colleges across the country. The point is anyone losing a university opportunity due to clear emotional immaturity can strongly benefit from simply attending community college. Its not a big deal for anyone to go through community instead of directly in University and shouldn't carry any silly stigmas like your comments here. Especially because transfer students typical outperform straight university students anyway at least when I was there that was the case.

Fair enough. I'm less sure about the follower aspect but generally agree with you.

Think about like this: if you are deciding on a scholarship or admissions to a university you care about, do you want someone who demonstrates leadership and free thinking or someone who uses "I was just following" as an excuse?
I feel like a big part of the ethical debate from WWII was about the whole "I was just following orders" and does being only a follower absolve of blame? I know at University's with fraternities that have harsh hazing histories this question is very pertinent (there was just a report of an 18 year old dying in hazing incident this week). Some universities need to change their admission system to take things like this into account and how the emotional immaturity of 'just following' might affect a campus population that already struggles with issues like frat hazing.
 
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Oh you got this one backwards. This is just a wrong comment.

I went to community college. I got into the University of my choice that I never would have got into without because I worked hard in community college. I love community college. It offers second, third and even fourth chances to people who might have made all sorts of other decisions earlier that either positive or negatively affected their ability to goto university. They offer great opportunities and should be in every region. I strongly support funding for community colleges across the country. The point is anyone losing a university opportunity due to clear emotional immaturity can strongly benefit from simply attending community college. Its not a big deal for anyone to go through community instead of directly in University and shouldn't carry any silly stigmas like your comments here. Especially because transfer students typical outperform straight university students anyway at least when I was there that was the case.

I just want to touch on this community college thing.

I went to community college and it was the best decision of my life. I didn't want to do anything after HS and was destined for some very bellow average colleges. I thought of community college but every one of my friends would laugh at me for even suggesting that.

I still remember one of my close friends who made an "I feel so sorry for you " face and just said man that's just a sucky situation.

However, I got my associates studying smaller classrooms and truly understanding the material. I paid way way less than any of my friends. I ended up transferring to an incredible school that's ranked top 25 in the world, finished my degree there and now have an incredible job.

Almost all of my HS friends went to crappier schools, have more loans and worse jobs. The friend who looked at me in disgust is drowned in student loans right now because he was "living it up in college yo" and can't find a decent job.

I don't know why community colleges have this negative stigma in the United States. It is one of the most incredible institutions we have here and it blows my mind that people don't take advantage of it. If it wasn't for community college I would have been in such a terrible position right now. I will forever be thankful to all the professors there and can't wait to actually pay back my community college. Like I said, best decision I ever took and if any other American is reading this ignore everyone else and go to community college. I got my degree for half the price, with less of the BS and ended up way ahead than most of my peers in HS
 
What's this, internet social justice? Laws don't matter? Let's just judge them on internet and pass verdict on people's lives from the internet.

Feckin SJWs.

Can you explain a bit? I'm not sure which laws are being broken here by the fecking SJWs.
 
The photo in a vacuum means little to me. How about we ask them to explain themselves? If their explanation is "I went along because everyone else did it and didn't mean to offend anyone. I'm really embarrassed and sorry" then a slap on the wrist is fine. If the explanation is "I stand by my actions", then obviously they should be dealt a much, much harsher punishment.

At that age, my friends and I were always trying to be outrageous and edgy to make each other laugh. It was kept between our close circle of friends, who we knew had a similar sense of humour, but absolutely nothing was off limits. None of it was done out of nastiness, we were an incredibly inclusive and respectful group, pretty much the definition of model pupils. Yet maybe if we had been 10/15 years younger some of our shenanigans could have made it onto social media and I could easily have been in a similar situation.
 
The photo in a vacuum means little to me. How about we ask them to explain themselves? If their explanation is "I went along because everyone else did it and didn't mean to offend anyone. I'm really embarrassed and sorry" then a slap on the wrist is fine. If the explanation is "I stand by my actions", then obviously they should be dealt a much, much harsher punishment.

At that age, my friends and I were always trying to be outrageous and edgy to make each other laugh. It was kept between our close circle of friends, who we knew had a similar sense of humour, but absolutely nothing was off limits. None of it was done out of nastiness, we were an incredibly inclusive and respectful group, pretty much the definition of model pupils. Yet maybe if we had been 10/15 years younger some of our shenanigans could have made it onto social media and I could easily have been in a similar situation.

That photo is not in isolation though, as I've posted multiple times within this thread.
 
So in fact, to argue that these Nazi saluters should get no punishment moving forward in college is actually arguing that they should be getting special treatment.
I haven't read all the posts, but I'm not sure who you are aiming at here because no one as far as I can see are saying anything that justifies you pointing at them and telling them that their opinion is wanting to give special treatment to nazi-saluters. Why so eager to make other people seem immoral? Maybe its the semantics that confuse you, but the specific wording in the OP might explain some of it; Ruin lives/careers. Nobody has actually said these kids shouldn't be punished. You are looking for people to school, but I have a question for you, do you really think only punishing these individuals will solve anything? I've seen posts regarding the system and the schools needs to change, I take it you don't think that matter since you have ignored that viewpoint then?
 
I just want to touch on this community college thing.

I went to community college and it was the best decision of my life. I didn't want to do anything after HS and was destined for some very bellow average colleges. I thought of community college but every one of my friends would laugh at me for even suggesting that.

I still remember one of my close friends who made an "I feel so sorry for you " face and just said man that's just a sucky situation.

However, I got my associates studying smaller classrooms and truly understanding the material. I paid way way less than any of my friends. I ended up transferring to an incredible school that's ranked top 25 in the world, finished my degree there and now have an incredible job.

Almost all of my HS friends went to crappier schools, have more loans and worse jobs. The friend who looked at me in disgust is drowned in student loans right now because he was "living it up in college yo" and can't find a decent job.

I don't know why community colleges have this negative stigma in the United States. It is one of the most incredible institutions we have here and it blows my mind that people don't take advantage of it. If it wasn't for community college I would have been in such a terrible position right now. I will forever be thankful to all the professors there and can't wait to actually pay back my community college. Like I said, best decision I ever took and if any other American is reading this ignore everyone else and go to community college. I got my degree for half the price, with less of the BS and ended up way ahead than most of my peers in HS

Well said man. Some of my community college Professors were much better teachers than the struggling adjuncts I would have had at a four-year. Not necessarily the adjunct's fault as they have their own issues like getting massively underpaid with no benefits so its hard to fault them but for me I was happier with my community college path than I would have been otherwise.

I haven't read all the posts, but I'm not sure who you are aiming at here because no one as far as I can see are saying anything that justifies you pointing at them and telling them that their opinion is wanting to give special treatment to nazi-saluters. Why so eager to make other people seem immoral? Maybe its the semantics that confuse you, but the specific wording in the OP might explain some of it; Ruin lives/careers. Nobody has actually said these kids shouldn't be punished. You are looking for people to school, but I have a question for you, do you really think only punishing these individuals will solve anything? I've seen posts regarding the system and the schools needs to change, I take it you don't think that matter since you have ignored that viewpoint then?

Arguing that these kids shouldn't lose a college admission or scholarship is, by default, arguing for special treatment because other violations of the university and scholarship Codes of Conduct do not get exceptions so why should this get an exception?
 
People talking about preventing college admissions and such.

Did you not read my longer post? Let me summarize my point:

A student's admission into the university is conditional on the student maintaining the academic standard and following the University's Code of Conduct otherwise the University reserves the right to rescind admission. Arguing that these kids shouldn't lose a college admission or scholarship is, by default, arguing for special treatment because other violations of the university and scholarship Codes of Conduct do not get exceptions so why should this get an exception?
 
That photo is not in isolation though, as I've posted multiple times within this thread.

My response was aimed at people who believe that that act in isolation is enough to have serious repercussions.

Any other evidence should 100% be investigated. Anyone found guilty of racism, sexism, violence etc. towards other pupils should be punished to the full extent by the school or police and I hope that is exactly what is happening. It's hard for me to comment on other accusations as I don't have the power to verify or question any of it. An image like the one in OP is pretty much impossible to refute.

Just to be clear, I absolutely implore bullying of any sort and I am not vouching for anyone in that photo, but I also can't label someone a Nazi by participating in what could be a fairly innocuous act.
 
I might not understand the American scholarship and admission system, so bear with me: Losing out on a scholarship just means you have to pay for tuition yourself, right? Like regular folks? And that someone else (who isn't heiling in public) might get that scholarship?
You apply somewhere else and job's a good one.
 
Did you not read my longer post? Let me summarize my point:

A student's admission into the university is conditional on the student maintaining the academic standard and following the University's Code of Conduct otherwise the University reserves the right to rescind admission. Arguing that these kids shouldn't lose a college admission or scholarship is, by default, arguing for special treatment because other violations of the university and scholarship Codes of Conduct do not get exceptions so why should this get an exception?

I'm curious, do collages check juvenile police history before admissions. I dindoknow, so asking.

So you think college admission departments taking a Nazi salute into account is illegal activity by fecking SJWs.

Yes. If it's permissible by law esp when minors or thereabouts are involved then I'd argue against sweeping judgements and open tongivint them a chance. This doesn't make them a criminal, ffs.
 
I'm curious, do collages check juvenile police history before admissions. I dindoknow, so asking.

Grey area. Technically juvenile record is locked but there are certain indicators that can be found if the student isn't rich with lawyers and even then people that know what to look for can find things.

Either way you do realize that college admissions are not all based on legality right? Admission offciers can take any context into account. If your argument is "they weren't convicted of breaking the law" that's irrelevant as college admissions are about more than legal convictions.

Are you one of those that believes that college admissions should be solely based on grades and SAT/ACT test scores and nothing else?
 
Why are people so bloody stupid, naive or wilfully ignorant as to equate the Nazis with machismo?

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Some f*cking 'master race'...
 
Arguing that these kids shouldn't lose a college admission or scholarship is, by default, arguing for special treatment because other violations of the university and scholarship Codes of Conduct do not get exceptions so why should this get an exception?
Some might lose it because of that picture blowing up, as I assume most colleges etc. do research for all students? Like I said I don't think anyone in this thread has said it would be wrong if the kids with the most prominent racist behaviour got their scholarships revoked after violating Codes of Conduct. The problem is that it won't necessarily effect those with money and power behind them, even if they were the most racist there. It might be some random repressed gay kid throwing that sign up to fit in, it is not normal. It is obviously a social problem over there and it need to be treated with attention. I don't think bitterness and showing who is boss by brushing all these kids under the same brush is a good tactic, if you want lasting improvement in the behaviour and morals of kids from areas with such views ingrained in the schools.

Some guy posted quotes in this thread of people in that school suffering from that environment, you can't know how many of those kids throwing their hand up was innocently participating. Someone told a bunch of kids to throw their hand up, but I'll hazard a guess no one told them the picture was going to go public to represent them for years. It is a moment of madness captured, but what led to that moment is a bigger problem and needs to get sorted. The picture blowing up should be good for that, but manhunting a bunch of kids through the media you have to agree is a bad look? Even if you're that certain all these kids "will be fine" because they aren't minorities or rich or whatever your issue is.
 
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Yes. If it's permissible by law esp when minors or thereabouts are involved then I'd argue against sweeping judgements and open tongivint them a chance. This doesn't make them a criminal, ffs.

Once again, tell me what illegal activity the fecking SJWs are doing? Retweeting a photo? Or is that illegal, while Sieg Heils are protected by the hallowed 1st amendment?
 
Aren't these "kids" almost at university now? Very few people change after that age in my opinion. I wouldn't hold my breath for any significant alteration of personality or beliefs/views.
 
Saw some interview with the dad (I assume) that took the picture, and he was like, "I told them to wave, and they were just waving goodbye to their parents and you're all interpreting it wrong!" Because that's totally just a normal wave. Good one, Adolf.
 
Some might lose it because of that picture blowing up, as I assume most colleges etc. do research for all students? Like I said I don't think anyone in this thread has said it would be wrong if the kids with the most prominent racist behaviour got their scholarships revoked after violating Codes of Conduct. The problem is that it won't necessarily effect those with money and power behind them, even if they were the most racist there. It might be some random repressed gay kid throwing that sign up to fit in, it is not normal. It is obviously a social problem over there and it need to be treated with attention. I don't think bitterness and showing who is boss by brushing all these kids under the same brush is a good tactic, if you want lasting improvement in the behaviour and morals of kids from areas with such views ingrained in the schools.

Some guy posted quotes in this thread of people in that school suffering from that environment, you can't know how many of those kids throwing their hand up was innocently participating. Someone told a bunch of kids to throw their hand up, but I'll hazard a guess no one told them the picture was going to go public to represent them for years. It is a moment of madness captured, but what led to that moment is a bigger problem and needs to get sorted. The picture blowing up should be good for that, but manhunting a bunch of kids through the media you have to agree is a bad look? Even if you're that certain all these kids "will be fine" because they aren't minorities or rich or whatever your issue is.

Already covered this entire line of reasoning in older posts but "innocently participating" in sieg heils. okay.
 
Already covered this entire line of reasoning in older posts but "innocently participating" in sieg heils. okay.
They aren't killing jewish people they are posing for a picture. It is a social group of students supervised by teachers, not a nazi-meating. Explained it earlier, but can't be bothered anymore.

I thought these were kids they looked about 15 but I guess if they are 18 then they really are a weak bunch.