World Cup 2018 & 2022 bids
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Qatar's World Cup bid set on defying weather logic
By Luke Phillips PARIS, March 23 AFP
Qatar's bid to host a football World Cup at a time of year when temperatures are baking is brave, but the Gulf state is counting on high technology to overcome the potentially prickly problem.
Qatar has emerged as a serious challenger to favourites USA and Australia for the 2022 World Cup, with a seemingly limitless budget and ambitious plans to drastically improve its poor transport network.
Importantly, with Brazil hosting the 2014 World Cup, FIFA's policy of continental rotation will likely see the 2018 edition going to Europe and the race for 2022 coming down to bids from Asia and North America.
But temperatures can hit 41C in June and July in Qatar, with that rising even higher in full sun and in built-up areas where thousands of air-conditioning units pump out hot air as they cool buildings' interiors.
Having lost out in its bid to host the 2016 Olympic Summer Games after IOC members rebuffed Qatar's idea to move the Games to October to avoid the worst of the summer heat, research is now under way on some ground-breaking ideas.
“Currently, we are researching various cooling methods which are environmentally friendly and very effective,” said Qatar 2022 chief executive officer Hassan al-Thawadi.
“We'll be unveiling a number of visionary, state-of-the-art ideas for iconic stadia and infrastructure and we're very excited by the challenge.”
Gabriel Batistuta, the Argentinian striker who finished his career with Al-Arabi in Qatar, is a bid ambassador along with a host of former world renowned footballers.
“I would not be doing this job if I did not believe Qatar can really host the World Cup finals,” he said, quoted by the Qatar National Olympic Committee's magazine.
“As for weaknesses, some people have suggested that the weather in summer could have been a potential stumbling block, but the Qataris are developing an amazing cooling system to combat the heat.
“If we have regulated temperatures inside stadia it helps everyone involved - from players to fans,” he said, referring to the extreme heat he encountered when playing in the 1994 World Cup in the United States.
Fellow bid ambassador Ronald de Boer, who played for Qatari clubs Al-Rayyan and Al-Shamal after starring for Barcelona, Rangers and Ajax as well as winning 67 caps for the Netherlands, still lives in the Gulf state.
“For the World Cup, the cooling systems which Qatar is developing for stadiums could be a real asset for other countries with warmer climates around the world.
“Players never like to play in extremely hot conditions so temperature regulation inside stadiums seems the way forward to me.
“People in the Middle East are just longing to host such a big football tournament,” he said, citing the reception afforded visiting European clubs and national sides, albeit largely in the cooler off-season time of year.
Qatar has cornered a large and profitable market with its sports infrastructure based around the impressive Aspire dome complex, recent host of the World Indoor Athletics Championships.
The country has also successfully hosted the 2006 Asian Games, regular top-level tennis, golf, squash, rallying and moto GP events, and was recently the venue for a Brazil v England football friendly.
Qatar 2022 CEO Al-Thawadi added that the compact geography of Qatar could be its major selling point rather than a detraction.
“There are immediate benefits for all fans who would not have to worry about booking accommodation in different cities in order to follow their teams throughout the tournament,” Al-Thawadi said.
Qatar's World Cup bid set on defying weather logic
By Luke Phillips PARIS, March 23 AFP
Qatar's bid to host a football World Cup at a time of year when temperatures are baking is brave, but the Gulf state is counting on high technology to overcome the potentially prickly problem.
Qatar has emerged as a serious challenger to favourites USA and Australia for the 2022 World Cup, with a seemingly limitless budget and ambitious plans to drastically improve its poor transport network.
Importantly, with Brazil hosting the 2014 World Cup, FIFA's policy of continental rotation will likely see the 2018 edition going to Europe and the race for 2022 coming down to bids from Asia and North America.
But temperatures can hit 41C in June and July in Qatar, with that rising even higher in full sun and in built-up areas where thousands of air-conditioning units pump out hot air as they cool buildings' interiors.
Having lost out in its bid to host the 2016 Olympic Summer Games after IOC members rebuffed Qatar's idea to move the Games to October to avoid the worst of the summer heat, research is now under way on some ground-breaking ideas.
“Currently, we are researching various cooling methods which are environmentally friendly and very effective,” said Qatar 2022 chief executive officer Hassan al-Thawadi.
“We'll be unveiling a number of visionary, state-of-the-art ideas for iconic stadia and infrastructure and we're very excited by the challenge.”
Gabriel Batistuta, the Argentinian striker who finished his career with Al-Arabi in Qatar, is a bid ambassador along with a host of former world renowned footballers.
“I would not be doing this job if I did not believe Qatar can really host the World Cup finals,” he said, quoted by the Qatar National Olympic Committee's magazine.
“As for weaknesses, some people have suggested that the weather in summer could have been a potential stumbling block, but the Qataris are developing an amazing cooling system to combat the heat.
“If we have regulated temperatures inside stadia it helps everyone involved - from players to fans,” he said, referring to the extreme heat he encountered when playing in the 1994 World Cup in the United States.
Fellow bid ambassador Ronald de Boer, who played for Qatari clubs Al-Rayyan and Al-Shamal after starring for Barcelona, Rangers and Ajax as well as winning 67 caps for the Netherlands, still lives in the Gulf state.
“For the World Cup, the cooling systems which Qatar is developing for stadiums could be a real asset for other countries with warmer climates around the world.
“Players never like to play in extremely hot conditions so temperature regulation inside stadiums seems the way forward to me.
“People in the Middle East are just longing to host such a big football tournament,” he said, citing the reception afforded visiting European clubs and national sides, albeit largely in the cooler off-season time of year.
Qatar has cornered a large and profitable market with its sports infrastructure based around the impressive Aspire dome complex, recent host of the World Indoor Athletics Championships.
The country has also successfully hosted the 2006 Asian Games, regular top-level tennis, golf, squash, rallying and moto GP events, and was recently the venue for a Brazil v England football friendly.
Qatar 2022 CEO Al-Thawadi added that the compact geography of Qatar could be its major selling point rather than a detraction.
“There are immediate benefits for all fans who would not have to worry about booking accommodation in different cities in order to follow their teams throughout the tournament,” Al-Thawadi said.
coudnt agree more.....love to show these league / aussie rules fools just what the "world game" means and just how big it really is.........
They can try and it just won't work, Middles East want a World Cup but they won't get one, mainly due to the standard of their teams not being very good.
Australia (Asian now), Japan & Korea are so much better than Qatar it'd make a real mockery of things if Qatar get a World Cup ahead of those 3.
Viva, have a look at this.
Hot Topic - Australian Football v. Association Football: the gloves are off - BigFooty
australia have pulled out of 2018 bid
Does that mean they have pulled out of 2022 also?
Nope, just 2018. A they believe there is a feeling for 2018 to be in Europe
No, they are going all in for 2022
After several months of dialogue with FIFA and Members of its Executive Committee, FFA Chairman Frank Lowy, AC, and FIFA General Secretary Jerome Valcke have issued a joint statement today pertaining to Australia's Bid for the 2018 and 2022 FIFA World Cups.
Football Federation Australia (FFA) in a joint statement with FIFA, announced today that it will focus its bidding campaign on 2022.
The decision, which was coordinated with European Executive Committee Members, has been welcome by FIFA, whose CEO Jerome Valcke said: "The FFA and my office as well as the FIFA President have been in constant dialogue about Australia's bidding intentions since last autumn.
“The FFA have displayed an exemplary level of solidarity with Europe and the European Bidding Nations and were among the very first to enter into an open and constructive dialogue with me after it became apparent that there was a growing movement to stage the 2018 World Cup in Europe.
“Their announcement of today therefore, to henceforth focus solely on bidding for the 2022 World Cup, is a welcome gesture that is much appreciated by FIFA's leadership and Executive Committee.
“We wish to thank Mr Lowy, the FFA and the Australian Government for allowing the 2018 vote to focus on a European bidding nation".
Mr Lowy confirmed FFA’s decision to withdraw from the 2018 bid and concentrate on 2022.
"We have been in discussion with FIFA for months and it is that trusting relationship with the leadership of the governing body that has caused us to focus on 2022 and decide to leave the field for 2018 to European contenders.
"The FFA's decision was in planning since October 2009 and its leadership, after careful consideration and analysis, has now decided to focus its bidding on 2022.”
Those who are bidding for both the 18 and 22 WC are:
Belgium & Netherlands
England
Russia
Portugal & Spain
United States
If the World Cup in 2018 ends up in England (it's pretty much due now!) then I think we can discount Europe for '22.
So that would leave us with the following candidates for 2022:
Australia
Japan
Qatar
South Korea
United States
Japan and South Korea are definately no go, since they hosted it very recently. The US have also had a World Cup fairly recently, so that would in reality leave us with Qatar and Australia..
I'd say that Australia are nailed on for the '22 World Cup - at least I hope so !
Edit:
Alright, from 1994 to 2022 is a considerate amount of time I guess but I still think that Oz will edge it.
Belgium & Netherlands
England
Russia
Portugal & Spain
United States
If the World Cup in 2018 ends up in England (it's pretty much due now!) then I think we can discount Europe for '22.
So that would leave us with the following candidates for 2022:
Australia
Japan
Qatar
South Korea
United States
Japan and South Korea are definately no go, since they hosted it very recently. The US have also had a World Cup fairly recently, so that would in reality leave us with Qatar and Australia..
I'd say that Australia are nailed on for the '22 World Cup - at least I hope so !
Edit:
Alright, from 1994 to 2022 is a considerate amount of time I guess
but I still think that Oz will edge it.fack il be 32 in 2022
United states had the World Cup in '94, I remember it, we last had the World cup in 1966 and its our sport.
I know we got the Euro in '96 but it was brilliant, hope we get it for 2018. Stadiums here are brilliant and there would be no horns in the atmosphere just pure sound. To be honest I do prefer it in Europe although I'd quite like Australia to get it and reckon they'd make a good job of it, they do in F1, Aus open etc. So out of that list of them left I'd pick the two European joint bids.
Canada should offer a joint bid with the States.
I know we lack facilities but this is the perfect opportunity to improve.
Everyone forgets that Canada hosted the most successfull (in terms of population) Under 20 World Cup back in 2007.
I know we lack facilities but this is the perfect opportunity to improve.
Everyone forgets that Canada hosted the most successfull (in terms of population) Under 20 World Cup back in 2007.
We tried but your players kept forgetting to take off their skates.
England '18 and either Portugal/Spain or Aus for '22 please
So Australia has gone all in for 22 after basically sucking up to the Europeans. We have blindsided the USA as they are still going after both which the Europeans wont like.
It looks like Lowy and his brown paper bags are going after that huge European block of votes, a few african with money from the government and then clean up the asian votes at a later time. I cant see Japorea getting much support as it was so recent and whilst the Qatar bid is mindboggling it would appear there is too many problems with them.
It looks like Lowy and his brown paper bags are going after that huge European block of votes, a few african with money from the government and then clean up the asian votes at a later time. I cant see Japorea getting much support as it was so recent and whilst the Qatar bid is mindboggling it would appear there is too many problems with them.
For my sake: England, USA
For football: England, Australia
A World Cup in Australia would be like Korea/Japan, such awful match times
For football: England, Australia
A World Cup in Australia would be like Korea/Japan, such awful match times
I think there is no chance they will give it to English speaking countries twice in a row, not that there is any real reason for that, someone will say something though about it not being fair though
Those who are bidding for both the 18 and 22 WC are:
Belgium & Netherlands
England
Russia
Portugal & Spain
United States
If the World Cup in 2018 ends up in England (it's pretty much due now!) then I think we can discount Europe for '22.
So that would leave us with the following candidates for 2022:
Australia
Japan
Qatar
South Korea
United States
Japan and South Korea are definately no go, since they hosted it very recently. The US have also had a World Cup fairly recently, so that would in reality leave us with Qatar and Australia..
I'd say that Australia are nailed on for the '22 World Cup - at least I hope so !
Edit:
Alright, from 1994 to 2022 is a considerate amount of time I guess
When did the US become part of Europe?
Australia were denied support by its own confederation. AFC said it was putting it's weight behind a European winner...so Australia will in all likely hood be a very strong and early favourite for 2022.
Hmm... funny how Australia pulling out of the bidding for 2018 seems such big news considering Japan did it a few months ago for just the same reasons.
I think it is a big deal because the bid has had problems at home...AFL causing trouble, and the overriding feeling that most of Australia's own confederation don't like it.
Fledgling sport, with a young league, constantly being told...it's not going to make it. So this pull out is being portrayed as a disaster by some.
Still disappointed that Canada isn't bidding....
Canada's got absolutely everything required to be a host of a World Cup....infrastructure, economy etc...
Canada's got absolutely everything required to be a host of a World Cup....infrastructure, economy etc...
Qatar are interesting in that they have the money to make anything happen. The statium designs are all released (posted somewhere on here as well) and the infrastructure (metro rail, massive airport expansion, new roads, hotels, etc...) is also all ready to be built on time for a 2022 deadline if they are given the go ahead. The money is there. There are about a million commercials in support of the bid here in the gulf region and they are trying to rally it as an 'Arab Unity' bid.
As suggested, weather and small population are the main factors against. However, Saudi and Emirati locals and expats would cross over in droves. Also, it's touching distance from Europe with a good airline, I think fans would swarm there, regardless of outdoor heat.
England or Portugal/Spain for 2018, Austrailia or US for 2022 still sounds about 100x more likely than Qatar though
As suggested, weather and small population are the main factors against. However, Saudi and Emirati locals and expats would cross over in droves. Also, it's touching distance from Europe with a good airline, I think fans would swarm there, regardless of outdoor heat.
England or Portugal/Spain for 2018, Austrailia or US for 2022 still sounds about 100x more likely than Qatar though
Canada would be awesome for 2022, I guess their isn't a bid because of the lack of decent football team but that hasn't stopped other countries from bidding. Would much rather they got it than the US again.
It will never ever cease to amaze me as to why we're not bidding for either of these.
^fiscal responsibility or some such tosh
Probably, Canadian sport + Canadian Government = wavy relationship
I was always of the opinion BMO isn't close to as big as it should be, as nice as it is it never should have been that small.
The stadiums are there: The O, Commenwealth needs some restructuring but it's got great atmosphere, BC place, the old SkyDome, McMahon, Ivor Wynne, The bluebombers ground, BMO, Frank Clair... And this is to start, there's so much potential for expansion
Rubbish, Qatar does have the resources to create great stadia for this bid. Many people would've dismissed South Africa from hosting the World Cup in the past. Countries as small as Switzerland have hosted the World Cup before.
Qatari 2022 FIFA World Cup bid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There's a big difference between 1.4 million and 7.8 million.
there were only 16 teams when switzerland hosted it
England 2018
- One of the very most footie mad countires on the planet and definitely number 1 out of the top world economies.
- Will make FIFA a packet.
- Best stadiums, excellent infrastructure.
- Every game will be a sell-out!!
In short, England is perfect for hosting the world cup!
- One of the very most footie mad countires on the planet and definitely number 1 out of the top world economies.
- Will make FIFA a packet.
- Best stadiums, excellent infrastructure.
- Every game will be a sell-out!!
In short, England is perfect for hosting the world cup!
Oh and Australia for 2022.
The English will love for it to be in Oz, what with the cultural similarities.
Wouldn't be suprised if the Limeys and Poms had a pact, what with Oz dropping out of 2018 bidding!
The English will love for it to be in Oz, what with the cultural similarities.
Wouldn't be suprised if the Limeys and Poms had a pact, what with Oz dropping out of 2018 bidding!
Qatar really has a good shot at 2022 in my opinion. Qatar vs Australia, as someone pointed out earlier.
When are the announcements?
When are the announcements?
This is sarcasm I gather?
December I think - Qatar would put on a show but it's still a long shot
How is that sarcasm?
That probably one of the only points of his that I wouldn't actually refute. Because I seriously don't know where he got the idea that we have the best stadiums from.
FIFA is all about marketing and money-spinning.
It will be the USA in 2022.
1994 was needed to make football in this country after it was first introduced in the 1970s NASL (which was dead for over a decade by then).
It made football, and as a direct result of it nearly two decades later there are supporters of all sorts of clubs, and more than one league including the MLS (as horrid of a standard as that is, it exists).
By 2022, the children who grew up playing football partly because of 1994 and continued following it will have children of their own of similar ages, and this World Cup would cement football in the US as an increasing presence and a growing interest.
At a time when NBA is in dramatic decline, other sports (aside from college, or the NFL which is headed for a 1 year strike) are also stumbling, football can start to move slowly up the ladder.
The WC would be a big step towards making that next generation that much more interested, and fairly vital to the long term survival/growth of the game in the USA.
It will be the USA in 2022.
1994 was needed to make football in this country after it was first introduced in the 1970s NASL (which was dead for over a decade by then).
It made football, and as a direct result of it nearly two decades later there are supporters of all sorts of clubs, and more than one league including the MLS (as horrid of a standard as that is, it exists).
By 2022, the children who grew up playing football partly because of 1994 and continued following it will have children of their own of similar ages, and this World Cup would cement football in the US as an increasing presence and a growing interest.
At a time when NBA is in dramatic decline, other sports (aside from college, or the NFL which is headed for a 1 year strike) are also stumbling, football can start to move slowly up the ladder.
The WC would be a big step towards making that next generation that much more interested, and fairly vital to the long term survival/growth of the game in the USA.
Pardon?
My bet is 2018 England and 2022 Australia.
Rather surprised no bid from China. Hosting the WC may be one effective solution for the world most populous nation to raise its football standard. Facilities wises, should be no problem, since it already has hosted the Olympics.
Rather surprised no bid from China. Hosting the WC may be one effective solution for the world most populous nation to raise its football standard. Facilities wises, should be no problem, since it already has hosted the Olympics.