It is heartburn. I am not a Brit. But I feel England have been dealt a wicked blow.
World Cup 2018 & 2022 bids
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It is heartburn. I am not a Brit. But I feel England have been dealt a wicked blow.
The piety is embarrassing though. Like there's never any corruption at the FA.
Much better from Paul Hayward in the Guardian, though it does end with this rubbish paragraph:
Haunting fundamentals?
Yes indeed.
In general, the FA need to take a long hard look at themselves and learn from the mistakes made here. There needs to be a big chance in the way our FA interact with the international footbal community if we ever want to host the World Cup again.
Of course, I am not excusing FIFA and their sham processes, but we should deal with our own issues before getting high and mighty about others.
James Lawton is a giant twattish puffball.
Anyone listen to talkshite? Apparently only two exco members read the evaluations before voting.
There is no corruption in this country!
No real shock here, FIFA just show themselves as the corrupt organisation that they are.
The FA by taking part in this charade and trying to hush journalists up from telling the truth are just as guilty as FIFA when it comes to corruption. The fact that Qatar has a dire record on human rights should be reason enough to stop them being suitable candidates but who cares as long as the money comes in?
That's a philosophy that the FA have promoted for years now so why feel sympathy when they get a dose of their own medicine?
The only silver lining is that there is talk of an independent Football Federation being formed away from FIFA, if nothing else that should be looked into.
That's a philosophy that the FA have promoted for years now so why feel sympathy when they get a dose of their own medicine?
The only silver lining is that there is talk of an independent Football Federation being formed away from FIFA, if nothing else that should be looked into.
Building new stadiums and infrastructure is a plus from Fifa's point of view. It improves the facilities for football in the host country.
Russia is indeed a shithole, but then so's China, and whoever I spoke to who went to the Beijing Olympics said that it was great, travelwise.
In fact, the London Olympics will be absolutely shite, for Londoners and all those tourists trying to get from place to place. So I can't imagine that England's infrastructure will be any better, since we wouldn't have built any just for the World Cup.
The Russian bid was really good. I watched the presentations last night. England were ok - lots of fluff. Spain / Portugal dire. Russia had it sewn up, especially with the free internal travel bit.
2018 went to the best bidders.
Another question that needs to be asked is who do FIFA answer to?
While my gripe isn't really with the Russian bid, don't you think the idea that the World Cup is now some kind of "pimp my country" excersie rather ridiculous?....Russia hadn't hosted one before not because of a devious western conspiracy, but because it's standards and racial tolerance were well below what was required...Rather than clean up their game with the incentive of being able to bid for the World Cup, they've used cleaning up their game as a reason for FIFA to give them the World Cup first. That's completely the wrong way around!
Again, the best bidders from who's point of view? Not the fans, or players. They will always be better of in a Spain/England/Holland. Whilst I don't really begrudge Russia, I think it's ridiculous that we've now had 5 out the last 6 WC hosts decided not on who's the best for the tournament, it's players and it's fans, but on some FIFA politiking "pimp my country" excersize. Plus not to mention what's the point of all the risk assessment and technical aspects if it's not relevant.
I watched the presentations as well. If were going of that, Russias was boring, dated and consisted of them mostly saying we havn't had it yet. It's one savin grace was the incredibly camp Sasha never sleeps promo video. I thought Australia and Japans presentations were better than Qatars. If we look beyond the presentations then to decide what the best bid is, is using the technical evaluation of Fifa, there was only one country that was 100%.
I can't see that many fans going to either Russia or Qater to be honest.
The presentations meant nothing. A voter wouldn't leave it to the last day to decide.
I can.
Fans will always go. We might not bring as many, but we always bring too many anyway.
Only if the best bid is based on a video presentation.
Englands presentation was a cheesy shite fest. It actually sickened me. Honestly I believe that any undecided voter going into that would instantly go against England just because of that presentation.
Hilarious that everyone was going on about how inspiring it all was, they just dont get it.
I didn't see it. What happened? Why would it turn voters off?
Yep, in any major bid the presentations are just for show and the formal bid itself is for the archives. The decision has long been made before the circus.
Prince William and David Cameron jerking off about how much they love football and England and David Beckham telling them about his dead Grandfather who died this time last year.
Hang on, how can you say that the England presentation was a cheese fest, it was anything but. Did you not see Russias and Spains. You consider the quasi disney bore fest affair that was the Russians presentatio or the we're great we are and we just won the world cup so obviously it should be us presentation of the Spanish as being superior.
Japan and Korea both wanted to go in alone in 2002, in fact, back then, Fifa forced them into a joint bid and debate raged on regarding where the final will be played.
In the end, Korea got the opening game and Japan the final (in Yokohama).
Japan's bid included 12 existing stadiums that req'd minor renovation, only the final venue needed to be build from scratch.
Surely they are much more ready than Qatar who needs to build almost everything from scratch.
It was good. Russia's was perhaps the worst.....but it's a moot point as it didn't matter one iota.(what the hell does that actually mean?!....but anyway)
Becks' part did make me cringe to be fair.
ok.
I'll have to see it myself, but I don't really follow your thinking based on what you have written there. What would you rather William and Cameron did? Moan about football?
Cameron and William were talking about the countries love of football and how it's intertwined in the very fabric of our society. Our incredible stadia, and what type of tournament we would hold.
Prince William and Cameron were good, Cameron in particular. Becks was Becks and no worse than Arsharvin.
And Russia was 86% or something. Much of a muchness.
England's presentation was camp as well - I mean, Beckham talking about his granddad? England United - The World Invited? How incredibly smug is that?
I would have loved an England World Cup. But as long as we continue talking about this Football Coming Home shite we're going to sound like cnuts so incredibly up our own arses we should be shot. If football has a home, it is with the most successful, entertaining practitioners, Brazil, or with the people who invented the game (probably the ancient Chinese, the English certainly didn't, they just wrote down the rules) or with its fans, who are all over the world. Football is in fact going home every World Cup - to its fans in Africa this year, to fans in South America in 2014 and to fans in Russia in 2018.
Everyone's also missing the point with the risk evaluations. Just because something is low risk doesn't mean you take it. You need to take risks to get good outcomes - clearly a successful World Cup in Russia is a desirable outcome, and worth taking risks for.
he makes me cringe too
Where England hellbent on hosting a tournament because it was the only way they would qualify?
I was thinking over-night, I'd love to go the Pearl in Qatar, perhaps I should go in 2022 and catch the world cup too. I mean I'll be 32 by then and all but irrelevant to the planet - so why not?
I disagree. It's a big prize, a successful World Cup. Make the problem immediate, and people will do something about it. Whether Russia will be successful or not I can't say, but they now have an incredible incentive to fix the problems.
English fans, and European players, would be happier in Spain / England / Holland.
If I were sitting in Asia or Africa, and I could afford to go see a World Cup, Russia could, in fact, be slightly cheaper, and easier to get into than England during the World Cup.
Nobody. They have made themselves less transparent and don't keep detailed accounts. They are immensely corrupt. Blatter hired a spin advisor who has worked for Union Carbide during the Bhopal disaster.
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The Eurovision Song Contest of Football
The Eurovision Song Contest of Football
“Corruption is authority plus monopoly minus transparency" Adlai Stevenson. Just about sums it up.
We never metnioned football coming home in the bid and we even stopped calling it our game, instead calling it Fifas game. There was nothing smug in the bid what so ever. We were even selling it on the idea of how unifying the world wide charity work of the English game and Fifas.
The English didn't just write the rules down, they created the rules. The Chinese played a game where they kicked something around, the didn't invent a association soccer. The Aztecs played a game where they kicked a ball into goals, yet it still wasn't soccer. So they didn't invent it either. The French Sailors played a game where they took penalties with barrels long before the FA book of rules were published. They didn't invent soccer. The FA took all these various games and created a game and set of rules which they published. The game of Soccer and it's rules were invented in England. Somebody kicking some object with their feet didn't invent Soccer.
The real world does have elements in it that are free (relatively) from corruption, you know? That is if the people putting things together want that. In this case clearly FIFA have their own agendas.
True. But FIFA owe it to the whole footballing community and football following community to provide the most transparent and fair process possible. This clearly isn't. So they've failed in delivering what they're supposed to. It's surely possible to make this about credibility. It shouldn't be that hard if the will is there. Clearly, with FIFA there is no such will.