World Cup 2018 & 2022 bids

And it's not going to happen is it?

I dont see why not but you are right there is a risk of them not fulfilling their promises - they have got the cash do it though.


Qatar 2022 CEO Hassan Abdulla Al Thawadi, said the new stadia were designed "with legacy front of mind and, with their modular design, can be reduced in size after the World Cup to fit local football and community requirements and, in some cases, transported abroad for permanent use".​

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2 votes is all England got. I'm surprised, stunned actually at that and really surprised that Qatar got the follow on tournamamet.

I do feel England certain people got very arrogant and cocky and thought it was in the bag and Sky Sports are annoying me with their conspiracy theory coverage.

However I am really at a loss as to think that qatar was picked above england and I am wondering do the FIFA actually have an agenda agaisnt England.

Dissapointed for England but heads up

Qatar wasn't picked above England. England wasn't in the 2022 bidding.
 
2 votes is all England got. I'm surprised, stunned actually at that and really surprised that Qatar got the follow on tournamamet.

I do feel England certain people got very arrogant and cocky and thought it was in the bag and Sky Sports are annoying me with their conspiracy theory coverage.

However I am really at a loss as to think that qatar was picked above england and I am wondering do the FIFA actually have an agenda agaisnt England.

Dissapointed for England but heads up
Qatar wasn't picked above England. England went for 2018. Qatar went for 2022.
 
Ignoring the UK press, Russia were favourites for this for the last 6 months, way before The Times and Panorama.

Qatar is, however, a bit more of a surprise.

FIFA have never been keen on either the FA or the apparent eliteism in English football. Sending the Eton Toff who currently runs our country and Prince William was a spectacular misreading of what was going on. But the damage was already done by then anyway.

Personally I'm relieved. Can you imagine the media wank-fest which would have commenced over it had England been successful?
 
Heh. When this thread is all said and done there is only one thing that can happen; we wait and see. Everyone said South Africa would be a disaster. Hell, for all intents and purposes a few short months before WC2010 it looked like it would be yet somehow, like Nani turning his season and career around in 2009-10, they pulled it off.

I'd like to think that this forum could be a little more forward thinking and a little less reactionary but methinks I doth expect too much sometimes.

South Africa was, to use the technical term, a bit shit by all accounts. And this is coming from someone who supported the SA WC against the majority opinion in the build up to the World Cup. Qatar is bound to be even worse than South Africa. Ridiculous levels of heat, a major security threat, containment of drinking to small areas and very little in terms of culture, as well as a small time vibe in general. I will be amazed if we look back on the 2022 WC and consider it a success. I hope I'm wrong, though.
 
2 votes is all England got. I'm surprised, stunned actually at that and really surprised that Qatar got the follow on tournamamet.

I do feel England certain people got very arrogant and cocky and thought it was in the bag and Sky Sports are annoying me with their conspiracy theory coverage.

However I am really at a loss as to think that qatar was picked above england and I am wondering do the FIFA actually have an agenda agaisnt England.

Dissapointed for England but heads up


Qatar were not picked ahead of England...people in here are especially bitter about them, but they were competing for a different world cup.
 
South Africa was, to use the technical term, a bit shit by all accounts. And this is coming from someone who supported the SA WC against the majority opinion in the build up to the World Cup. Qatar is bound to be even worse than South Africa. Ridiculous levels of heat, a major security threat, containment of drinking to small areas and very little in terms of culture, as well as a small time vibe in general. I will be amazed if we look back on the 2022 WC and consider it a success. I hope I'm wrong, though.

Why? I hope 2022 goes as badly as possible, with record number of heat strokes and whatever.
 
Qatar were not picked ahead of England...people in here are especially bitter about them, but they were competing for a different world cup.

I'm bitter about them because any of the other 4 would have made for great hosts. They just bribed the right people better.
 
Qatar were not picked ahead of England...people in here are especially bitter about them, but they were competing for a different world cup.

yeah i know qatar was in a different tournament pot but i meant that in the context of that they saw it fit to give qatar a tournament and not England if you get me
 
That confirms what most thought of you.

Your a cnut.

Right, so everyone should be nice and pray for the best for something they absolutely do NOT agree with?

I'm not hoping there is a terrorist attack or anything, but it would be fitting if the football is miserable with top players pulling out and whatever.
 
Some Interesting Facts

Here's a ranking of today's bidding countries according to where they appear on the current Press Freedom Index:

Netherlands (3)/Belgium (14)
Japan (12)
Australia (18)
England (19 as part of UK)
USA (20)
Spain (39)/Portugal (40)
South Korea (42)
Qatar (120)
Russia (140)

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Sounds best if England do not qualify for 2022...
 
What the hell have Qatari TV done to merit a medium risk?! What even is a medium risk TV station?!?!

And how the hell did they get 11 votes in the first round, and actually lose a vote in the second?!?!

England only getting two votes is pretty scandalous, clearly our bid was worth more consideration than that. Have to feel sorry for Australia as well getting just one

I don't mind that Russia have got 2018 though, I think its fair enough a country that large with such a footballing history get to host the tournament. Clearly out infrastructure and support for the game mean we should get it sometime soon, who knows
 
Right, so everyone should be nice and pray for the best for something they absolutely do NOT agree with?

I'm not hoping there is a terrorist attack or anything, but it would be fitting if the football is miserable with top players pulling out and whatever.

You wish them to suffer from heat stroke and other medical issues, that is incredibly cnutish.
 
I'm bitter about them because any of the other 4 would have made for great hosts. They just bribed the right people better.

Don't have to tell me, as I said, I live 20 minutes from what was a proposed stadium site in Canberra :(

But all this bribery/conspiracy talk doesn't sit well with me. Maybe the delegates just didn't like the English? I know the head of the Asian confederation hates Australia, and did everything he could to mess up the bid.

As for money...it can't be just that, because England was deemed the most profitable for FIFA, so wouldn't that mean England should have gotten it? Purely based on greed, and the corporate dollar?
 
You wish them to suffer from heat stroke and other medical issues, that is incredibly cnutish.

Heat strokes are to be expected when you have millions of fans travelling around in 50C, or are they going to air condition the entire country for a month?
 
South Africa was, to use the technical term, a bit shit by all accounts. And this is coming from someone who supported the SA WC against the majority opinion in the build up to the World Cup. Qatar is bound to be even worse than South Africa. Ridiculous levels of heat, a major security threat, containment of drinking to small areas and very little in terms of culture, as well as a small time vibe in general. I will be amazed if we look back on the 2022 WC and consider it a success. I hope I'm wrong, though.

It will be a challenge, for sure. As for SA, they pulled off the tournament that's the most important part, quality is subjective.

I think a good interpretation of the awarding of these two WCs (Russia and Qatar) is that Sepp and FIFA are trying to make sport influence politics and hoping that Football can raise countries up in both economic and democratic terms.
 
As for money...it can't be just that, because England was deemed the most profitable for FIFA, so wouldn't that mean England should have gotten it? Purely based on greed, and the corporate dollar?

Not money in the sense of "a profitable world cup", money in the sense of "this nice Qatari gentleman is handing me a suitcase full of money which I am going to bathe in when I get home."
 
At the end of the day, England should just feck FIFA off, there was no point in bidding if the technical merits of the bid are totally ignored. The examination of the FA and English bid is pointless, the FIFA process is what should be under scrutiny.
 
it is best for england to get it when the team is actually contenders. it would be fecking embarrassing for a squad that is built up by the press to be world beaters to get shit on in their own backyard.
 
But don't they have rules about only using a certain number of stadia per city?


Well, the FA proposed to use four London stadia, so perhaps there aren't any rules. My only concern with Qatar is the climate and relative tiny size of the nation. I would've preferred a joint Gulf bid. That said, if anything, I'm more concerned about Russia from a fans' perspective than Qatar.
 
Don't have to tell me, as I said, I live 20 minutes from what was a proposed stadium site in Canberra :(

But all this bribery/conspiracy talk doesn't sit well with me. Maybe the delegates just didn't like the English? I know the head of the Asian confederation hates Australia, and did everything he could to mess up the bid.

As for money...it can't be just that, because England was deemed the most profitable for FIFA, so wouldn't that mean England should have gotten it? Purely based on greed, and the corporate dollar?

I don't agree with Russia, but I can at least accept it.

Qatar is the one I just cannot comprehend, Australia will be a new frontier, USA will be very profitable for Fifa, Japan will be a new step for technology with the holographic thing. But Qatar? What the feck...

Also, England & USA will be most profitable for Fifa the organisation, but clearly Russia & Qatar are more profitable for the voters, now.
 
At the end of the day, England should just feck FIFA off, there was no point in bidding if the technical merits of the bid are totally ignored. The examination of the FA and English bid is pointless, the FIFA process is what should be under scrutiny.

The latter is what Boris Johnson wants to happen.

If today wasn't a red rag being waved in the face of the British Media I don't know what is. FIFA have done the absolute worst thing it could have done if it wants to remain a secluded organisation with its operations shrouded in mystery.
 
It will be a challenge, for sure. As for SA, they pulled off the tournament that's the most important part, quality is subjective.

I think a good interpretation of the awarding of these two WCs (Russia and Qatar) is that Sepp and FIFA are trying to make sport influence politics and hoping that Football can raise countries up in both economic and democratic terms.
I just rather have a good WC for once. Wouldn't most football fans. That's what FIFA are there to deliver.
 
At the end of the day, England should just feck FIFA off, there was no point in bidding if the technical merits of the bid are totally ignored. The examination of the FA and English bid is pointless, the FIFA process is what should be under scrutiny.

This. Why did Fifa even bother with all those reports and shit if they're just going to completely ignore them?

Next time they should just auction the hosting rights on the open market.
 
I just rather have a good WC for once. Wouldn't most football fans. That's what FIFA are there to deliver.

If Germany 2006 didn't do it for you then what hope do FIFA have?

That said I do think their politicking is a bit ridiculous, but that's what happens to insular organizations that are beyond public scrutiny.
 
So, does anyone want to predict what the newspapers are going to run with tomorrow?
 
Sounds best if England do not qualify for 2022...

I hadn't given the Qatari ban on homosexuality any thought. So much for the Kick Homophobia Out of Football campaign. Well done FIFA. And does anyone know what the plan is for the issue of modest dress? Surely we're not going to have a World Cup where women would be breaking the law if they dare to wear anything that reveals their shoulders??

If this is going to be anything other than a complete disaster, Qatar is going to need a complete overhaul of its attitudes, even if it is only temporary.
 
Not money in the sense of "a profitable world cup", money in the sense of "this nice Qatari gentleman is handing me a suitcase full of money which I am going to bathe in when I get home."

No I get it...under the table payments. But if the most amount of money to be made for FIFA was in the UK, would Blatter let a few million for each deny FIFA that?

I can understand individuals thinking about their own bank balances...but Blatter is all about the power and monetary might of FIFA, and it's commercial partners.

Would they jeopardize all that?

I just think, people the members hated England(terrible reasoning, but I just think that's what it is...they think the English are bastards, arrogant, dim witted, thugs...etc etc)

Because while enjoyment is subjective, there can be no doubts, England would have hosted a top notch WC, with packed stadiums, and a great atmosphere. So why the loss? I don't think it's just money....I think it's politics.
 
Why? Not that I disagree entirely but who exactly are FIFA responsible to? No one but themselves, really. It's idealistic to want that but impossible to achieve, I think.

It won't change until someone in a position of power tell them to feck off.

Either Uefa breakaway from Fifa or the ex-G14 clubs breaking away.