World Cup 2018 & 2022 bids

i doubt it would be too hard for a few of the major FAs and confederations like UEFA to basically say to FIFA "you will agree to have an independant enquiry and investigation into your business or we withdraw our associations from FIFA and their international tournaments" or words to that effect. FIFA may not report to anyone, but as said above, they are dependant on the FA's of its members. Even if just the English FA and a few others made that threat it would be enough to draw attention to it - i would expect a movement like that to easily gather momentum, especially if FIFA put up a big fuss about it.

Frankly, Blatter himself needs to be gotten rid. How a man with such a blatant anti-english bias can be in any kind of position of power in international football beggars belief. If it is true about him "reminding" the committee about the British media just before the vote then that just makes my blood boil. There will be no point in us making a bid as long as he is at the helm, essentially.
 

That's nothing more than a convenient excuse for FIFA members to hide behind. The real reason is financial inducements and sweeteners.

FIFA being annoyed at evidence of corruption is a sign of widespread corruption within that organisation.
 

But everyone is saying, they'd already taken these bribes(so the votes were bought)...so who cares what the media say?

The media revelations have had zero impact, unless people want to say, there were honest voters pissed off at being 'smeared' and punished English.
 
That's nothing more than a convenient excuse for FIFA members to hide behind. The real reason is financial inducements and sweeteners.

FIFA being annoyed at evidence of corruption is a sign of widespread corruption within that organisation.

Well i dont agree - it could well be that still wouldnt have won anyway but there is no way we would have come last were in not for the media stuff.

However, now that the voting is over I would be very happy to see the Brit media hound every FIFA exec and leave no stone unturned to find evidence of their corruption.
 


"We're corrupt, so don't investigate us or we will use our corruption to eliminate you."

It's shockingly limited thinking. If anything, the press will now want to go after them more.

Still, they are using it for cover to hide their corruption. Or maybe they did give the bid to the US and I'm just dreaming.
 
But everyone is saying, they'd already taken these bribes(so the votes were bought)...so who cares what the media say?

The media revelations have had zero impact, unless people want to say, there were honest voters pissed off at being 'smeared' and punished English.

:lol: Jack Warner honest!
 
Well i dont agree - it could well be that still wouldnt have won anyway but there is no way we would have come last were in not for the media stuff.

So, if it wasn't for the media, you would have lost less?
 
"We're corrupt, so don't investigate us or we will use our corruption to eliminate you."

It's shockingly limited thinking. If anything, the press will now want to go after them more.

Still, they are using it for cover to hide their corruption. Or maybe they did give the bid to the US and I'm just dreaming.
Actually Fifa are pretty much spot on. The stupid British media went after the very committee members who would have given England guaranteed votes. Even getting 2 of them eliminated from the process all together. The England bid committee need to look no further than their media as to why their bid didn't win. Before those fools opened their mouths England where clear and obvious favorites.
 
Actually Fifa are pretty much spot on. The stupid British media went after the very committee members who would have given England guaranteed votes. Even getting of them eliminated from the process all together.

But it's factual info, not a crusade to persecute members of the commitee. That sort of evidence should be recieved and applauded rather than used against said country's bid to host WC.

It's a sham how they have structered it, it's a sham how they are taking inducements, and it's a sham how they are using media fact finding as a cover for their sick criteria and money-making agenda.
 
"We're corrupt, so don't investigate us or we will use our corruption to eliminate you."

It's shockingly limited thinking. If anything, the press will now want to go after them more.

It's truly is amazing. But FIFA gets away with that because they don't answer to anyone. Unfortunately I can't see UEFA and some of its FAs do anything about it. Why should they? Platini sits on the same FIFA board...

Fact that Qatar got the 2022 tournament just goes to show the sort of considerations that matters to the 22 corrupted ones. For 2018 as well. It's all about the money, new money (even if we're not talking about personal bribes), new income. And to hell with everything else.

It's so pathetic that the technical reports ended up having so little effect. So why bother with them anyway?
 
So, if it wasn't for the media, you would have lost less?

Who knows? I reckon we probably would have got past the first couple of rounds of voting and gone head2head with Russia before losing out to them but at least we would have put up a fight!

England should have hosted in 2006 - we were totally geared up for it and in hindsight it is clear that 2018 was too late for us.
 
But everyone is saying, they'd already taken these bribes(so the votes were bought)...so who cares what the media say?

The media revelations have had zero impact, unless people want to say, there were honest voters pissed off at being 'smeared' and punished English.
Bottom line you don't piss of those who can give you votes. No matter what you think of them.
 
Well i dont agree - it could well be that still wouldnt have won anyway but there is no way we would have come last were in not for the media stuff.

However, now that the voting is over I would be very happy to see the Brit media hound every FIFA exec and leave no stone unturned to find evidence of their corruption.

I don't think it had much bearing on the final vote. The US and Aus only received 4 votes combined in the opening round of the 2022 bid...whether you rated their bids is another matter, but it's likely that the voting patterns might have been decided well before yesterday.
 
Actually Fifa are pretty much spot on. The stupid British media went after the very committee members who would have given England guaranteed votes. Even getting 2 of them eliminated from the process all together. The England bid committee need to look no further than their media as to why their bid didn't win. Before those fools opened their mouths England where clear and obvious favorites.

It's like saying if the media goes after a possibly corrupted police chief, there's nothing wrong with him telling his officers to stop those journalists cars all the time for speeding.

If FIFA have a problem with the English media, they should sue. It shouldn't have anything to do with the English bid.
 
I don't think it had much bearing on the final vote. The US and Aus only received 4 votes combined in the opening round of the 2022 bid...whether you rated their bids is another matter, but it's likely that the voting patterns might have been decided well before yesterday.

I agree that most 1st choice votes would have been decided long ago - it is the 2nd/3rd choice votes that people lobby for right until the last minute.
Dont forget that the 2 FIFA Execs who were banned due to The Sunday Times sting were thought to be supporters of the English bid.
 
Actually Fifa are pretty much spot on. The stupid British media went after the very committee members who would have given England guaranteed votes. Even getting 2 of them eliminated from the process all together. The England bid committee need to look no further than their media as to why their bid didn't win. Before those fools opened their mouths England where clear and obvious favorites.
So what you're saying there then is that FIFA is corrupt and doesn't judge bids objectively on their merits.
 
I agree that most 1st choice votes would have been decided long ago - it is the 2nd/3rd choice votes that people lobby for right until the last minute.
Dont forget that the 2 FIFA Execs who were banned due to The Sunday Times sting were thought to be supporters of the English bid.

Why were they caught taking payments from the USA(undercover)then? They were corrupt and ready to prostitute themselves to the highest bidder, just like the rest of them.
 
Actually Fifa are pretty much spot on. The stupid British media went after the very committee members who would have given England guaranteed votes. Even getting 2 of them eliminated from the process all together. The England bid committee need to look no further than their media as to why their bid didn't win. Before those fools opened their mouths England where clear and obvious favorites.

Only pointing out corruption when it benefits someone else misses the point entirely.
 
But it's factual info, not a crusade to persecute members of the commitee. That sort of evidence should be recieved and applauded rather than used against said country's bid to host WC..
Bullshit. That panorama show was not the most concrete ever. Besides, it wouldn't have killed them to wait until after the bidding was done and dusted. The press instead preferred ratings and big sales over a chance for England to actually win a chance to host the world cup. They can't run around and then cry foul .
That info had no business being exposed if the press had any desire to see England host the world cup.

It's a sham how they have structered it, it's a sham how they are taking inducements, and it's a sham how they are using media fact finding as a cover for their sick criteria and money-making agenda.
There is no sham. It's politics. Just like it is in any country any where. Politics involves inducements and lobying to get votes. You don't start exposing and shaming potential voters and then claim it's unfair they haven't voted for you.
 
... unless people want to say, there were honest voters pissed off at being 'smeared' and punished English.

Which would instantly make them dishonest in their voting...

I'm bored of it now really. What's done is done. I was annoyed at the Panorama programme too but to chastise ourselves for not colluding enough, and basically "not being corrupt enough" is fecking stupid.

Lets just hope something happens with FIFA (it won't) and that both World Cups (but more specifically the Qatari one) manage to sort out the myriad of things they need to sort out to be suitable hosts when the tournaments roll round.

Such is the feeling now that if anything were to go wrong it would be jumped on with vitriol, so the first person to be rushed to hospital with heat exhaustion in 2022 will have no shortage of reporters ready to turn them into a martyr..Like South Africa, the knives are already out so the balls are all in their court now. Hey, at least we'll have a good excuse when we crash out in the group stages.

I'm not churlish enough to wish for shit World Cups.
 
Corruption should only be pointed out when its absolutely neccesary. In this case it most certainly wasn't. The British pres fecked over England's bid. There are no two ways about it.

There clearly are. That's conjecture. Not fact. Personally I think most people are under the assumption the winners were decided aeons ago. And to continue to blame people for essentially "not being corrupt enough" is incredibly fecking silly.
 
So what you're saying there then is that FIFA is corrupt and doesn't judge bids objectively on their merits.
What I'm saying is that merit will do feck all for you when you mishandle potential voters. No one will give a shit about your competence when you've exposed and shamed them when you require their vote. That should be obvious.
 
I'm not churlish enough to wish for shit World Cups.

Well, I am. Seeing as it may be the only thing to save us from Trinidad & Tobago 2026 and Azerbaijan 2030. They're always trying to give tournaments to new countries, until someone fecks it all up.
 
There clearly are. That's conjecture. Not fact.
Bullshit Mockney. No politician expects to win an election by shaming and exposing the very members of the electorate that wants to vote for him.

Personally I think most people are under the assumption the winners were decided aeons ago. And to continue to blame people for essentially "not being corrupt enough" is incredibly fecking silly.
It has feck all to do with "not being corrupt enough". Rather it has every thing to do with being stupid enough to think you can piss of the electorate and still win the election just because of personal merit. It's not corruption that cost England. It's pissing of voters that cost their bid.
 
Why were they caught taking payments from the USA(undercover)then? They were corrupt and ready to prostitute themselves to the highest bidder, just like the rest of them.

Eh? What has that got to do with them supporting the English bid? England and USA were running for different tournaments.

Our press fecked up our bid - the 2 who were disqualified were going to vote for us!
 
Bullshit Mockney. No politician expects to win an election by shaming and exposing the very members of the electorate that wants to vote for him. .

So all notions of the bids being bought ages ago, of bidding countries colluding and of FIFA's wider agenda are either rubbish or don't come into play at all?
 
What I'm saying is that merit will do feck all for you when you mishandle potential voters. No one will give a shit about your competence when you've exposed and shamed them when you require their vote. That should be obvious.
What's obvious to me is that FIFA aren't able to make important decisions objectively, in other words they're not able to do their job properly.

Why the feck shouldn't a country win a WC for merit? The job of FIFA is to give the WC hosting to the best country on merit is it not...not to give it to the one that pisses them off the least.

And if they're bothered about being "exposed" and "shamed" then they shouldn't be corrupt in the first place. Corruption....well, just another case of them not being fit to do their job properly.
 
Why were they caught taking payments from the USA(undercover)then? They were corrupt and ready to prostitute themselves to the highest bidder, just like the rest of them.
Firstly, U.S.A and England wher nto comepting for the same tournament. Second, by helping to eliminate those 2 from the committee, that newspaper succeeded in removing 2 of England's assured yes votes in the bidding process. Going after Warner and Hayatou later just finished the job and left England's bid with next to no votes.
 
Warner is a man who has previously said "I'll make sure England never host a World Cup"..So yeah, he was always gonna vote for us...feckin' BBC! Grrrrr
 
Bullshit Mockney. No politician expects to win an election by shaming and exposing the very members of the electorate that wants to vote for him.

It has feck all to do with "not being corrupt enough". Rather it has every thing to do with being stupid enough to think you can piss of the electorate and still win the election just because of personal merit. It's not corruption that cost England. It's pissing of voters that cost their bid.

Then what did the US bid do to upset the voters? No media stories our anything. Just the best technical bid. Or Australia. Both were better and did nothing to upset voters.
 
What's obvious to me is that FIFA aren't able to make important decisions objectively, in other words they're not able to do their job properly.
On the contrary. They do their job properly. It's not their fault some folks just have no clue how politics is done.

Why the feck shouldn't a country win a WC for merit?
The same reason why the elader of you on country is not just voted in office on merit.

The job of FIFA is to give the WC hosting to the best country on merit is it not...not to give it to the one that pisses them off the least.
Rather the job of FIFA is to give the world cup to the bid that wins the election for the right to host. They did just that.

And if they're bothered about being "exposed" and "shamed" then they shouldn't be corrupt in the first place. Corruption....well, just another case of them not being fit to do their job properly.
:lol:

If you want people's votes in an election. Don't shame them. It's that simple. For you need them way more than they need you.
 
If you want people's votes in an election. Don't shame them. It's that simple. For you need them way more than they need you.

Is it not a little churlish of Fifa to hold the FA responsible for ways of free media?

Surely if they were not corrupt in the first place it wouldn't be an issue.
 
So all notions of the bids being bought ages ago, of bidding countries colluding and of FIFA's wider agenda are either rubbish or don't come into play at all?
It's an election. Until the last minute anything can happen. That is why you don't start having major pr gaffes before campaigning is closed. I have no doubt most of England bid votes that would have been enough to defeat Russia evaporated over the last few weeks.