Imagine having Messi, Dybala, Aguero, Di Maria, Higuain and Icardi on your team, yet only scoring 16 goals in 17 games.
World Cup Qualifiers | October 2017 | Play off draw on Tuesday
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These guys have pulled off the impossible. Chances are slim to none, but i have faith.
Who was the last to beat Brazil?
Would be epic if Valdivia leads Chile to victory. Palmeiras fans would be cheering as well.
ps. a draw would be much appreciated.
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It is in German - but with the following link you can play the results at the last match day and see the results in the table
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/wm/wmqsuedamerika/wmq-suedamerika/2015-17/17/turnierrechner.html
(you need to klick the right button with 18. Spieltag beneath the results first to get to the results for next week)
Else it should not matter that it is in German and not in English.
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Vidal got booked and will be out for the last match in Brazil...
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/wm/wmqsuedamerika/wmq-suedamerika/2015-17/17/turnierrechner.html
(you need to klick the right button with 18. Spieltag beneath the results first to get to the results for next week)
Else it should not matter that it is in German and not in English.
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Vidal got booked and will be out for the last match in Brazil...
You were right actually. If Argentina draw and Brazil win by more than one goal that will mean Argentina finish above Chile. So if Brazil don't want Argentina to get to the World Cup they have to not win by more than one goal.
@amolbhatia50k actually this is not true. It will depend on goals scored, even with a draw Argentina will still have decent chances to qualify.
It just shows that football is a team which is is often forgotten amidst the desperation to hype up individuals. You can have top players/individuals but if your team is a mess and dysfunctional you'll most likely struggle.
Thanks for that. Argentina have to win really. A draw means they are fecked. So close this group, even the goal difference. Why would FIFa want to give this up for meaningless boring games at a tournament.
If we didn't learn that during the Beckham era Glacticos at Real, we never will.
Or Leicester winning the league title whilst not having any great players but having incredible cohesion, team ethic and dedication/suitability towards the system.
Just seen the England score and write up, how is it so many of us know in advance they're gonna be gash?
You know somethings massively wrong when lifelong football fans aren't taking any notice of a world cup qualifier that guarantees a place. 3am and I've just had a quick look, seems a world away from gathering in a heaving pub to watch us play Greece.
If we get out the groups in Russia I'll eat my own shoe.
You know somethings massively wrong when lifelong football fans aren't taking any notice of a world cup qualifier that guarantees a place. 3am and I've just had a quick look, seems a world away from gathering in a heaving pub to watch us play Greece.
If we get out the groups in Russia I'll eat my own shoe.
Aguero, Icardi and Higuain are all CFs and Dybala hasn't been playing much, to be fair.
Still pretty sure Argentine will qualify and will be much better in the tournament itself.
I don't know how anyone can be confident of that, hope you're right though.
Argentina will make it.
I think so too. Going into the tournament with low expectations will certainly help them as well.
If teams have level points in the South American qualifiers, is it GD or head to head that decides who finishes higher?
Hope Argentina will make it.
Won't happen. Argentina are like the South American England, always on the hype train.
Germany scored 15 against San Marino by far the worst team in the competition. More surprisingly France only scored 15 and conceded 5.
Scored less goals than fecking Venezuela. There is just no possible excuse for that.
What are the permutations of Argentina not making it?
Its' quite unbelievable. Exactly what the feck is wrong with them? You'd think that even if they don't gel together as a team, their individual talent will atleast pull them through. Good luck at trying to win in that altitude at Quito though, when they can't even do it at home.
Now Colombia has complicated matters by bringing Paraguay into contention. Its' getting really tight.
I'm amazed how poor England was against one of our mediocre generations. Yes you've had possession and pace, but managed to capitalise only after lapse of concentration from Oblak. England's attacking players are the better part of the team, they are fast, good in 1-on-1s, but they lack coherence to finish the attacks. The backside of the team is utter shambles when the opponent presses high or starts to play quick passes on the ground.
If Southgate does not get his team in order, you'll have a hard time going through the group stage in Russia.
If Southgate does not get his team in order, you'll have a hard time going through the group stage in Russia.
Come on Antonio!
Messi needs rest.
Messi needs rest.
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Terrible result for Australia.
Said it before, real shame none of the South American qualifiers are shown in the UK. Sky showed a few in the past and you get some of the play off matches with the Oceanian winners, but the games are too few and far between. One game I recall seeing was Uruguay and Argentina in the final round of group matches, the winner finished 4th and loser went in the playoffs (I think), also earlier in the group stage I'm sure Brazil won in Argentina 3-1 and Sky showed it live or delayed coverage.
Poor sod that will have to referee that Ecuador Argentina game. And the pressure of Messi to deliver is out of this world
Ecuador at home is a different beast...they play physically...And dont forget Argentina and Brazil are two of public enemies to be beaten by other SA countries.
However, with the chance of playing Syiria or Aussie in the play off, there is no way that Argentina will miss the WC.
Syiria will not make it at Aussie. They need a win.
However, with the chance of playing Syiria or Aussie in the play off, there is no way that Argentina will miss the WC.
Syiria will not make it at Aussie. They need a win.
The playoff isnt against Syria or Aussie
Argentina are actually quite unlikely to be in the playoffs (against New Zealand), they win and they qualify, but if they don't, there's every chance they go out.
If they win, they qualify.
If they lose, they need Paraguay to not beat Venezuela and Colombia to beat Peru by a bigger margin than what Argentina loses by.
If they draw, they need 2 of the following 3 things to happen:
- Brazil to beat Chile by more than one goal
- Paraguay to not beat Venezuela
- Colombia to beat Peru or Peru to beat Colombia by more than one goal
Colombia lost it completely.. Ospina was all over the place but they should had scored a second the chances they had at the end.. Hopefully Paraguay goes through on tuesday..
Don't cry for me Argentina . How the mighty have fallen!
. How the mighty have fallen!Bad management.
I can only image them passing the ball to Messi all the time
That's exactly how every qualifier works for us with this sort of analysis starting with 4 games to go. Playoff kings of the XXIst Century.
So glad to watch it from afar with only Bolivia at home still to play.
Argentina win, they are not automatically qualified. They have guaranteed 5th place. Every other result for Argentina, I´d say 80-90% probability they are out completely.
Argentina need a win. Win and they're in Russia. Don't win, and they're out
And for the life of me i will never ever understand this south american thing of believing in magic over logic. Benedetto starts the game because it's played at La Bombonera, while Icardi sits on the bemch the whole game? Come on
And it's always so strange to watch Messi for argentina. He's still Messi, except you see him making mistakes he never makes. That goal he missed? He doesn't miss that sitter with barcelona. He had more bad touches in the first half alone than i've seen from him in 10 years with barca...south american teams also do a far better job of containing him than anyone else, and i'm not sure how much of it is down to argentina
Doesn't help that the 3-4 times per game he manages to be Messi and create magic, his teammates ruin it...
And for the life of me i will never ever understand this south american thing of believing in magic over logic. Benedetto starts the game because it's played at La Bombonera, while Icardi sits on the bemch the whole game? Come on
And it's always so strange to watch Messi for argentina. He's still Messi, except you see him making mistakes he never makes. That goal he missed? He doesn't miss that sitter with barcelona. He had more bad touches in the first half alone than i've seen from him in 10 years with barca...south american teams also do a far better job of containing him than anyone else, and i'm not sure how much of it is down to argentina
Doesn't help that the 3-4 times per game he manages to be Messi and create magic, his teammates ruin it...
It's easier to just explain it like that as the playoff should be easy for them. Otherwise there are too many possible outcomes