Herrera was born in Argentina to Spanish parents though.
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Herrera was born in Argentina to Spanish parents though.
French nonetheless and 100% a product of French football.
Zidane has done a great job tbh. It wasn't easy to take over like that mid season.
They were completely lost when he took over. The football was dreadful, Ronaldo was miles out of form and there was no hope in sight of a trophy.
He somehow managed to take La Liga to the last day of the season and win the CL, fantastic start to his career no doubt. Think people looking for criticisms are picking the wrong time to do it.
He somehow managed to take La Liga to the last day of the season and win the CL, fantastic start to his career no doubt. Think people looking for criticisms are picking the wrong time to do it.
I really doubt Zidane came up with some genius tactic to do this well. I think it's more a matter of Real players really respecting him because he's a legend and therefore they put in respectable performances. Benitez never got the same respect as Zidane has.
Yeah, that's what it boils down to basically. Zidane's got a brilliant relationship with the players, just like Carlo's at the time. He's more of a motivator than a tactical genius but I'm not complaining at all.
I doubt there is any such genius tactic out there. Half the challenge is convincing the players that whatever your doing is for the best - personality/man management is the key there. The best managers keep it quite simple.
What's this "keep it quite simple" you speak of? I've been reliably informed that one need a whole "philosophy" and one needs to stick to it. After a decade, results will come.
They started playing as a team again, which I think is the biggest achievement of Zidane. He also got players back in form, gave them a clear role to play and plays with a clear game plan. Pretty good I'd say, let's see how he does next season
Exactly. It is also one of the reasons why Mou had it rough in the end. When things are not working out, that dressing room only shows respect and follows proven winners on and of the pitch.
I'm not saying it's the right attitude, but that's what it is and it's something the manager has to accept when taking over. Benitez got zero respect from the dressing room.
It's not about looking for criticisms, it's about not getting carried away with the success.
He did a great job, but it's too early to start declaring him a great manager. As much as I dislike Mourinho, he and Rafa got chastised for playing football that wasn't quite as attacking as Madrid were capable of while Zidane escapes that same criticism.
That doesn't take away from his success, but looking forward I think it'd put a huge dampener on his time there if it continues.
He just shows that for Barca and Real Madrid, you dont Actually need a good manager. You just need to be liked by your players and rezpected so they remain happy, motivated and play as a team. You basically give them freedom and their teams are good enough to win on their own. Think its the type of position Woodward wanted to give Giggs the job to. Build a really strong team so that Giggs can take over from a position of strength where he can't fail that much. Since we are nowhere near that point, it was too big of a risk in the end.
I don't really think giving them freedom is what he's done though. He's been a very disciplined managed so far, they're a lot better defensively than anyone would have guessed from Zidane, and he's been fast to drop players like James if they don't work hard enough.
No one has done that though, so you are fighting a straw man here.
Given (1) what he achieved not only in the CL but also in La Liga in a competition with two of the best teams in the world, and (2) his personal qualities (legendary status, good communicator and motivator, good grasp of the game, etc.), it wouldn't be outlandish to expect him to achieve far more than Di Matteo.
It's pretty trivial to say that 6 months are not enough to achieve the status of a great manager. And no one thinks or claims otherwise.
Fair enough.
Undoubtedly did well. Wanted Atletico to win but I've got a lot of respect for Zidane and it's great to see him doing well as a manager.
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Bruno and Gabi are far better than Casemiro, but they're also not DMs at all. Iturraspe is also more of a hybrid CM and Javi Martínez hasn't consistently played DM since Bielsa coached him at Athletic. Mascherano the same since moving to Barça with the exception of when he plays for Argentina.
The most obvious one in the same league (apart from Busquets) has been forgotten: Krychowiak, excellent again this season. San José, Camacho and Augusto Fernández (very poor yesterday though) were all at least equally as good as Casemiro this season in my opinion. Illarra in his first spell at R.Sociedad was also miles better, but he never really settled at RM. That's just in Spain alone. There's the likes of Kanté and Drinkwater this season, Xhaka (although also more a hybrid CM I'd say), Kouyaté, etc. who've all had a massive impact as well.
I think Casemiro's had an unexpectedly great season and can be a handy player but he is quite limited.
edit in blue: @Bojan11 , you're right.
Bruno and Gabi are far better than Casemiro, but they're also not DMs at all. Iturraspe is also more of a hybrid CM and Javi Martínez hasn't consistently played DM since Bielsa coached him at Athletic. Mascherano the same since moving to Barça with the exception of when he plays for Argentina.
The most obvious one in the same league (apart from Busquets) has been forgotten: Krychowiak, excellent again this season. San José, Camacho and Augusto Fernández (very poor yesterday though) were all at least equally as good as Casemiro this season in my opinion. Illarra in his first spell at R.Sociedad was also miles better, but he never really settled at RM. That's just in Spain alone. There's the likes of Kanté and Drinkwater this season, Xhaka (although also more a hybrid CM I'd say), Kouyaté, etc. who've all had a massive impact as well.
I think Casemiro's had an unexpectedly great season and can be a handy player but he is quite limited.
edit in blue: @Bojan11 , you're right.
Martinez played DM when Bayern won the treble.
Well Perez took a risk with Zidane and it has paid off. If he is sacked next season then he would still be leaving with a CL trophy and 2nd in a great La Liga. Not many ex RM managers (despite being much more experienced than Zidane) can say this.
Not that I am for (or against) the giggs appointment but this is the point some people try to make. Having good relationships or being an insider of the club does help. It's not all about pure tactics and management.
People not giving Zidane credit for winning the Champions League 
Zidane has done a wonderful job so far. Winning a Champions League in his first four months in charge is a great achievement. Like JamesB said, when Zidane took over Real Madrid they were lost and dreadful under Benitez. His record since taking over is impressive to say the least. I'm excited to see what he does next season.
Zidane has done a wonderful job so far. Winning a Champions League in his first four months in charge is a great achievement. Like JamesB said, when Zidane took over Real Madrid they were lost and dreadful under Benitez. His record since taking over is impressive to say the least. I'm excited to see what he does next season.
What went for Zidane is that his players mostly are tactically great already and very experienced and this to a degree makes up for Zidane 's lack of management experience.
However what he did brilliantly is he still had the respect of world class players. This is not always easy. You have to be convincing to get that kind of respect. In addition he came up with some ideas and made his squad follow those.
To be fair, that is what our board wanted. 3 years of LVG ingraining some amazing tactics in the team that enable them to play sexy football and then let Giggs run that show. It hasn't worked out obviously but could see why they would want that.
Hasn't he lost something like two games since he took over? Wolfsburg and Atletico with a 78% win rate while winning the Champions League.
Is Zidane the first Madrid player to win the CL/European Cup both as a player and a manager? Quite like Guardiola then.
That wouldn't work successfully in the Prem because a) smaller clubs are attractions to high level coaches because the money can allow them to build something b) the distribution of players and the level of quality is far more fairer down the league. We don't have the elite players but our league isn't top-heavy as other leagues are. Another factor when looking at this is Real and Barca cast-offs tend to move abroad as they are still costly and top English/Italian clubs are often all over them. Whereas top PL club cast-offs either make the step down in the league or go to a lower tier side abroad.
Did anyone else think he was being a bit naive when he made the subs so early?
That could have really come back to bite him when the game went to extra time and then pks.
That could have really come back to bite him when the game went to extra time and then pks.
Miguel Munoz won 3 as a player in the 50s and 2 as a manager in the 60s.
Under Rafa: 25 games, 17 wins, 5 draws, 3 defeats, FA: 69-22
A Gijon (0-0)
H Betis (5-0)
A Espanyol (6-0)
H Shakhtar (4-0)
H Granada (1-0)
A Bilbao (2-1)
H Malaga (0-0)
A Malmo (2-0)
A Atletico (1-1)
H Levante (3-0)
A PSG (0-0)
A Celta Vigo (3-1)
H Las Palmas (3-1)
H PSG (1-0)
A Sevilla (2-3)
H Barcelona (0-4)
A Shakhtar (4-3)
A Eibar (2-0)
A Cadiz (3-1)
H Getafe (4-1)
H Malmo (8-0)
A Villarreal (0-1)
H Vallecano (10-2)
H Sociedad (3-1)
A Valencia (2-2)
Under Zidane: 27 games, 21 wins, 4 draws, 2 defeats, FA: 71-19
H Deportivo (5-0)
H Gijon (5-1)
A Betis (1-1)
H Espanyol (6-0)
A Granada (2-1)
H Bilbao (4-2)
A Roma (2-0)
A Malaga (1-1)
H Atletico (0-1)
A Levante (3-1)
H Celta Vigo (7-1)
H Roma (2-0)
A Las Palmas (2-1)
H Sevilla (4-0)
A Barcelona (2-1)
A Wolfsburg (0-2)
H Eibar (4-0)
H Wolfsburg (3-0)
A Getafe (5-1)
H Villarreal (3-0)
A Vallecano (3-2)
A City (0-0)
A Sociedad (1-0)
H City (1-0)
H Valencia (3-2)
A Deportivo (2-0)
N Atletico (1-1, 5-3 after penalty shootout)
A Gijon (0-0)
H Betis (5-0)
A Espanyol (6-0)
H Shakhtar (4-0)
H Granada (1-0)
A Bilbao (2-1)
H Malaga (0-0)
A Malmo (2-0)
A Atletico (1-1)
H Levante (3-0)
A PSG (0-0)
A Celta Vigo (3-1)
H Las Palmas (3-1)
H PSG (1-0)
A Sevilla (2-3)
H Barcelona (0-4)
A Shakhtar (4-3)
A Eibar (2-0)
A Cadiz (3-1)
H Getafe (4-1)
H Malmo (8-0)
A Villarreal (0-1)
H Vallecano (10-2)
H Sociedad (3-1)
A Valencia (2-2)
Under Zidane: 27 games, 21 wins, 4 draws, 2 defeats, FA: 71-19
H Deportivo (5-0)
H Gijon (5-1)
A Betis (1-1)
H Espanyol (6-0)
A Granada (2-1)
H Bilbao (4-2)
A Roma (2-0)
A Malaga (1-1)
H Atletico (0-1)
A Levante (3-1)
H Celta Vigo (7-1)
H Roma (2-0)
A Las Palmas (2-1)
H Sevilla (4-0)
A Barcelona (2-1)
A Wolfsburg (0-2)
H Eibar (4-0)
H Wolfsburg (3-0)
A Getafe (5-1)
H Villarreal (3-0)
A Vallecano (3-2)
A City (0-0)
A Sociedad (1-0)
H City (1-0)
H Valencia (3-2)
A Deportivo (2-0)
N Atletico (1-1, 5-3 after penalty shootout)
Thanks, mate.
His record is seriously impressive. He's won more trophies with Real than he has lost games.
Madrid seem more stable under him, they are making better decisions and Perez seems to have less control. Madrid's youth are getting more and more games and the team seems to be in perfect harmony. How long can he keep this up?
Madrid seem more stable under him, they are making better decisions and Perez seems to have less control. Madrid's youth are getting more and more games and the team seems to be in perfect harmony. How long can he keep this up?
Butthurt barca fans like sergi dominguez go on about how he is tactically poor but gets lucky results. Any truth or is it his normal bullshit camouflaged as an opinion?
He's bigger and badder ass than nearly all of them. A lot of those players would've grown up watching Zidane tearing it up. The only player in the Madrid squad that has surpassed his ability as a player is Ronaldo. Along with that he always seems to have a great insight for the game. He's also worked with Madrid youth teams so he obviously knows the potential there.
He also has extremely talented bunch of players that actually make it a lot easier for him.
He's a bit too conservative for my taste but tactically very sound. He's been very lucky though, that is undeniable, but then again, the team's ability to finish strong and win games at the end is also thanks to his work
Who?
Zidane is the new Ferguson, you hear that here first hehe
His record so far is very impressive, but its only 1 year gone and i think its still early to judge him properly.
His record so far is very impressive, but its only 1 year gone and i think its still early to judge him properly.
I think that one of the most important aspects for a manager to succeed in Madrid is to connect with the players, be respected, getting that they want to play for you.
Zidane knows very well what the Bernabéu wants(minutes for Asensio, total confidence in Navas, some hopes for Isco) but in the same way respects the hierarchy. He knows how to deal with the press and keeps the things simple, without opressing the players,perhaps because he knows that the elite players can not be overwhelmed with indications.
He has been able to combine the good atmosphere of Ancelotti with the good ideas that he inherited from Benitez.
Benitez introduced a defensive midfielder, left James in the bench, signed Kovacic and recovered Lucas Vázquez from Espanyol.
I had many doubts, and I started thinking that he would end up being a puppet of Florentino, but he has been able to adapt, changing the system in important games and improving almost all the players.
Zidane knows very well what the Bernabéu wants(minutes for Asensio, total confidence in Navas, some hopes for Isco) but in the same way respects the hierarchy. He knows how to deal with the press and keeps the things simple, without opressing the players,perhaps because he knows that the elite players can not be overwhelmed with indications.
He has been able to combine the good atmosphere of Ancelotti with the good ideas that he inherited from Benitez.
Benitez introduced a defensive midfielder, left James in the bench, signed Kovacic and recovered Lucas Vázquez from Espanyol.
I had many doubts, and I started thinking that he would end up being a puppet of Florentino, but he has been able to adapt, changing the system in important games and improving almost all the players.
Much like Barcelona's manager, a monkey could do that job. He just happens to be a super talented monkey who the players respect. When a 45+ dude can show up on the training pitch and show you how to get the job done better than you can, you can't complain.
He is a self proclaimed Barça/la liga expert in twitter https://twitter.com/futbolsergi?lang=es , the Barça version of ultrasuristic
Is Perez not demanding comfortable, convincing win than last minute/ extra time winner, or just paper talk?