Zinedine Zidane | Resigns

I think they get hurt by the lack of squad depth. They play in many competitions and last season they took advantage of having a big squad while other teams got more tired during the second half of the season.

Given how well Zidane rotated the team I am surprised that he let players go and reduced his squad.
 
sammsky1 said:
Zidane is not the problem, its lack of serious investment.
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That's one way to look at it, the prerez way, but tonight it was zidane. They still have pretty good team out there. Only the striker is vunrable there where they dnt wanna give starting berth to morata and sold him.

DOnt tell me that kroos casemiro and modric needed to be replaced.
 
He should go into League 2 and prove he can do it without 100s of millions of euros and an already world class squad. He needs to show he can actually manage a football team and not just be a voice in the background for a top level bunch of winners who could do it without him.
 
prtk0811 said:
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That's one way to look at it, the Perez way, but tonight it was Zidane. They still have a pretty good team out there. Only the striker is vunrable there where they don't wanna give starting berth to morata and sold him.

DOnt tell me that kroos casemiro and modric needed to be replaced.
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yes. very arrogant or naive tactics. I'm not sure which.

Stupid either way as Mourinho showed Zidane how to beat Spurs at the weekend.
 
sammsky1 said:
yes. very arrogant or naive tactics. I'm not sure which.

Stupid either way as Mourinho showed Zidane how to beat Spurs at the weekend.
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Spurs were really bold to play 3 at the back against madrid. The system and workrateand press helped them neutralize them. Story would have been very different with bale fit. Isco couldnt stretch the tottenham defense and find spaces.
 
prtk0811 said:
Spurs were really bold to play 3 at the back against madrid. The system and workrateand press helped them neutralize them. Story would have been very different with bale fit. Isco couldnt stretch the tottenham defense and find spaces.
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So the reason we won was an u fit, injury ravaged player?
 
prtk0811 said:
Spurs were really bold to play 3 at the back against madrid. The system and workrateand press helped them neutralize them. Story would have been very different with bale fit. Isco couldnt stretch the tottenham defense and find spaces.
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In reality it was a back 8 triple decker bus, but we’ll have to pretend is wasn’t so we don’t upset the Redcafe Poch mafia.
 
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InLevyITrust said:
So the reason we won was an u fit, injury ravaged player?
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Madrid's wingers couldnt find spaces behind tottenham's wingbacks in a 3 man defense system to make off the ball attacking runs, so the midfeilders 's could not use their passing range enough and got frustrated by the press and lack of passing options, their frustration led to mistakes via high press and gave tottenham space to counter with speed and precision. That's what i was saying.

Bale would have made better runs and gave them passing outlet.
 
sammsky1 said:
In reality it was a back 8 triple decker bus, but we’ll have to pretend is wasn’t so we don’t upset the Redcafe Poch mafia.
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:D. The narrative gets built because of better movement and counters and passing on the counter than our team. But at the back and in defense it was the way you stated exactly.
 
prtk0811 said:
:D. The narrative gets built because of better movement and counters and passing on the counter than our team. But at the back and in defense it was the way you stated exactly.
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Will certainly concede that point. Though I think that's due to injuries (Pogba) and poor form (Mhkitariyan) rather than intended strategy from Mourinho.
 
Dante said:
He should go into League 2 and prove he can do it without 100s of millions of euros and an already world class squad. He needs to show he can actually manage a football team and not just be a voice in the background for a top level bunch of winners who could do it without him.
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Two different skill-sets. I can run a local office with two administrators, I wouldn't necessarily be as good in a building with 300. Surely no doubt that he has been effective for them. Something seems properly wrong though and in the way where it doesn't normally end up getting fixed by the same man.
 
Parry Gallister said:
Two different skill-sets. I can run a local office with two administrators, I wouldn't necessarily be as good in a building with 300. Surely no doubt that he has been effective for them. Something seems properly wrong though and in the way where it doesn't normally end up getting fixed by the same man.
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He won't get another ready-made team like Real ever again. If he wants it badly enough, he needs to earn his stripes from the bottom up.
 
sammsky1 said:
Will certainly concede that point. Though I think that's due to injuries (Pogba) and poor form (Mhkitariyan) rather than intended strategy from Mourinho.
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Better passing might come from pogba , but mourinho uses longballs in the air and stops caring about ball possession and the movement for counters is not like pooch.
 
prtk0811 said:
Madrid's wingers couldnt find spaces behind tottenham's wingbacks in a 3 man defense system to make off the ball attacking runs, so the midfeilders 's could not use their passing range enough and got frustrated by the press and lack of passing options, their frustration led to mistakes via high press and gave tottenham space to counter with speed and precision. That's what i was saying.

Bale would have made better runs and gave them passing outlet.
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But he didn't.
 
The decision to let Morata and James go was sensible, given the players wanted to be starting games. However it's baffling why they didn't buy any replacements for them.

They will have a hard time in the market in the coming seasons. They have a front 3 which are physically declining and all need to be replaced. Modric and Marcelo too are at the wrong side of 30. With competition in the market with the likes of PSG, City, United and Barcelona, they will have a tough time replacing their aging stars. They should have started that process this season, but they missed that opportunity.
 
LoneStar said:
The decision to let Morata and James go was sensible, given the players wanted to be starting games. However it's baffling why they didn't buy any replacements for them.

They will have a hard time in the market in the coming seasons. They have a front 3 which are physically declining and all need to be replaced. Modric and Marcelo too are at the wrong side of 30. With competition in the market with the likes of PSG, City, United and Barcelona, they will have a tough time replacing their aging stars. They should have started that process this season, but they missed that opportunity.
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Isco was james replacement already, have Theo hernandez as marcelo replacement, THey got done by psg when they got beaten by psg for mbappe.
 
sammsky1 said:
Very surprising Madrid have fallen into the trap of standing still, but then again, City/PSG $$$$ means they (and ourselves) can no longer bully the transfer market.
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Sorry but you got that wrong. Flo realised what's going on before anyone and started seriously investing in young players 2 years ago.
He even gambled on Vinicius for huge money because knows he has to get them early and can't just wait for players to become proven stars before he picks them up.
 
gaucho_10 said:
and can't just wait for players to become proven stars before he picks them up.
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The cost of this has Hyper inflated and madrid barcelona psg city sowed the seeds of it without realizing the effect in the future.

Psg ,city dont even care but its now a problem for other clubs.
 
prtk0811 said:
Isco was james replacement already, have Theo hernandez as marcelo replacement, THey got done by psg when they got beaten by psg for mbappe.
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They have no replacement for Benzema. And like I said, this was the perfect season to get a young talent or two in, to replace their aging stars. Again, selling someone like Pepe while buying noone was another mistake.
 
LoneStar said:
They have no replacement for Benzema. And like I said, this was the perfect season to get a young talent or two in, to replace their aging stars. Again, selling someone like Pepe while buying noone was another mistake.
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Ronaldo can play as a striker while they have enough young or other talents , just that injury and inconsistancies are natural.
 
prtk0811 said:
Ronaldo can play as a striker while they have enough young or other talents , just that injury and inconsistancies are natural.
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They will have to buy replacements for their star forwards very soon (Ronaldo, Bale and Benzema). Buying one star forward is hard enough, let alone 3. That too post Neymar to PSG. And I'm talking only about the attack.
 
LoneStar said:
They will have to buy replacements for their star forwards very soon (Ronaldo, Bale and Benzema). Buying one star forward is hard enough, let alone 3. That too post Neymar to PSG. And I'm talking only about the attack.
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They could'nt cherry pick talents like before now. Football runs in cycles.
 
Real test of his coaching ability begins now. He had ready made team and did well with them, but you could argue most would have done well with them. Right now he is behind a neymar less barcelona and 2nd in group behind spurs. Test of his managerial ability as ronaldo is undergoing a dry spell and he needs rest of his team to step up. Fascinating to see if real will recover or will they falter this season.
 
prtk0811 said:
The cost of this has Hyper inflated and madrid barcelona psg city sowed the seeds of it without realizing the effect in the future.

Psg ,city dont even care but its now a problem for other clubs.
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Real Madrid has been spending less and less money and winning more and more trophies for 5 years now. 100 mil € galactico signings like Ronaldo and Bale made perfect sense (James was just one experiment that didn't turn out well), but to say that Real Madrid caused the situation we have today is nonsense.

Hyper inflation happened in last two summers and it didn't happen because Madrid and Barca spent a lot of money on players like Bale, Suarez and Neymar. It happened partly because of the new EPL TV deal and more importantly because UEFA said OK to Arab countries funding football clubs in Europe. Nothing more, nothing less.

People will try to twist it any way they can to show that mean Real Madrid is to blame for this (as if Madrid was the one spending crazy money on the likes of Andy Carrol), but if someone told those same people years ago that the state of Quatar will be heavily investing in PSG and buying best players in the world people would laugh at them.....and here we are today
 
So, Zidane was lucky with the squad he inherited? Who would've thought :rolleyes:
 
Kind of ridiculous to claim Madrid never inflated the market when they themselves broke the world record transfer twice in a week. Or the times they could field a front 4 that cost around 300m euros. Thats after selling world record transfer holder Kaka at a massive loss..
 
gaucho_10 said:
Real Madrid has been spending less and less money and winning more and more trophies for 5 years now. 100 mil € galactico signings like Ronaldo and Bale made perfect sense (James was just one experiment that didn't turn out well), but to say that Real Madrid caused the situation we have today is nonsense.

Hyper inflation happened in last two summers and it didn't happen because Madrid and Barca spent a lot of money on players like Bale, Suarez and Neymar. It happened partly because of the new EPL TV deal and more importantly because UEFA said OK to Arab countries funding football clubs in Europe. Nothing more, nothing less.

People will try to twist it any way they can to show that mean Real Madrid is to blame for this (as if Madrid was the one spending crazy money on the likes of Andy Carrol), but if someone told those same people years ago that the state of Quatar will be heavily investing in PSG and buying best players in the world people would laugh at them.....and here we are today
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UEFA also didn't care when the Spanish gov was funding Real Madrid either or starving the rest of the league from TV money while the top 2 fill their bellies.

In one way i'm happy to see the PSG make the likes of Barca and Madrid sweat a little, not so good when the shoe is on the other foot now is it.
 
The biggest problem with the current Madrid side is not quality it's complacency. Most of the players have won 3 UCL in the last 4 years ... I don't think it's completely out of order for them to not show the same desire to win games. And it's obvious to see. After the Girona match opposing players said that they have never seen a group of players being that relaxed before and during the game like this lot. Can Zidane do something against it? Well yes since the manager is also responsible for motivating the team, but I also think that there is only so much he can do.
 
They'll concentrate on winning the CL for a third time in a row which will make them one of the great teams in history. They will be the worst possible draw in the knock-out stages.
 
The truly worrying thing right now is fitness. Yesterday and Sunday against Girona, we were already treading water in the first half. It's November, we shouldn't be in this shape by now...

As for Zidane, he's made a lot of mistakes dating back to last summer, when he agreed to let Pepe go, and his poor handling of Morata. Perez doesn't sack managers midseason though(except in unique circumstances), and we're still barely in November, season is long yet(though i believe the league is already compromised)

Finally, i greatly disliked some of the renewals we've given recently. It's folly to believe this should still be our starting XI in 4-5 years
 
Winning it back to back is a remarkable feat. This season was always going to be underwhelming for them.

Complacency sets in and they just don't seem to have the same urgency they had last 4 seasons.

They're probably entering a downward cycle now with aging stars and lesser quality young talent coming through.

Especially letting go off Pepe. As much as I hate him and his antics, he was part of that solid defence.
 
Falling far behind Barca in the league now, wonder how long he'll last.
 
If Mourinho leaves in the summer then he would be an option, albeit a bit of a gamble.
 
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