UK Riots (with the exception of Manchester which has its own thread)

Pogue Mahone said:
I haven't heard anyone in the last dozen pagea of this thread try to justify what's happened as a justifiable protest against police brutality. Even the kids involved gave up that pretence a while back.

Of course, that's not to say the ghettoisation (no idea if that's spelt right) of a segment of London society isn't a big factor. You reap what you sow as a society and the bigger the gap between the haves and the have nots the less the more likely you are to create a generation of kids that just don't give a feck.
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Yep, I'd agree with that, not as it being the total cause though, its a combination of factors and an attitude that has developed over at least 3 generations at this point.

It was still all kicked off under the guise of protest though, even though it was obvious how it was going to end up, these people are basically all out for themselves and what they can get for number 1.

As I say that's something which has been fuelled by generation after generation looking out for number 1 on a greater and greater scale.

That said, if its simply societies fault then why are only some people involved? Why not everyone? Why do some families among the have nots still remain decent?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Aye, it's all the immigrants fault.

You weren't even born the last time London rioted like this. A decade before the 1990s.

The country was also gripped by a severe recession at the time and also had a Conservative government. Funny that.
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It's really starting to sound like you think this is justified.

They are criminals. Scum, ruining normal people's lives, not out of any sense of injustice but just because they are robbing, opportunist scum. The police should have the power to deal with them however they see fit.
 
Makes you pine for the glory days of organised crime. The lessser of 2 evils.

How long before we start seeing the public take matters into their own hands?
 
Eyepopper said:
Yep, I'd agree with that, not as it being the total cause though, its a combination of factors and an attitude that has developed over at least 3 generations at this point.

It was still all kicked off under the guise of protest though, even though it was obvious how it was going to end up, these people are basically all out for themselves and what they can get for number 1.

As I say that's something which has been fuelled by generation after generation looking out for number 1 on a greater and greater scale.

That said, if its simply societies fault then why are only some people involved? Why not everyone? Why do some families among the have nots still remain decent?
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Positive role models? Stable family unit? Parents not off their tits on drugs and booze? A few lucky breaks to give them something in life to look forward to? Who knows.
 
So they cancel business and sports, but show the weather.
 
Sky's website have many reports of looting and there being no police presence at all. The police are clearly struggling to contain the situation, they should be calling in the army now and not waiting for that stupid cobra meeting.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Makes you pine for the glory days of organised crime. The lessser of 2 evils.

How long before we start seeing the public take matters into their own hands?
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If some of the thousands of pissed up England fans returing home from Wembley tomorrow night bump into these thieving scumbags, I reckon it might get very nasty.
 
Team Brian GB said:
You are the one who talk about ghettos in London, funny how you want to throw everything at the feet of the tories but as soon as I mention that we have seen very high levels of immigration, from a multiplicity of differing cultures, all thrown together in some of the poorest and most rundown parts of our cities you try to go high brow.

I was born at the time of the Poll Tax, I remember the Oldham Riots very well also so don't try and say this only happens when the tories are in office.

Considering how you want to make this very partisan, maybe you should think why these thugs are rioting when the level of funding for state benefits, access to university, etc. all grew substantially under Labour - no previous generation in British history in good times or bad has ever had the social protections, state funding for various things, or access to higher education as the current adolescent generation has - yet it is now we see riots of such a scale.
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You're absolutely right Brian, people just have it too good. That's the problem. I say bring back the 1850s!
 
Following on from the earlier report that the Croydon store on fire was a family business:

marcreeves Marc Reeves

That shop in Croydon is on a street that bears its name: Reeves Corner. Established by my gt gt grandfather in 1867. Now gone.
 
friendlytramp said:
It's really starting to sound like you think this is justified.

They are criminals. Scum, ruining normal people's lives, not out of any sense of injustice but just because they are robbing, opportunist scum. The police should have the power to deal with them however they see fit.
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Of course it's not justified. Trying to understand why it's happening, though, is a useful exercise. The more people dismiss the kids brought up on those estates as underclass sub-human chav scum, the more likely they are to act like them.
 
Raven Blade said:
Respect! :devil:

Being a young black person I can see very clearly who the majority of these rioters are. It's only gonna perpetuate the negative stereotypes and make it harder for us to get respect. I'm ashamed of all those pathetic excuses for people.
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It's your fault, Blade, TBGB said so.
 
Raven Blade said:
Respect! :devil:

Being a young black person I can see very clearly who the majority of these rioters are. It's only gonna perpetuate the negative stereotypes and make it harder for us to get respect. I'm ashamed of all those pathetic excuses for people.
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You have my respect Raven.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Of course it's not justified. Trying to understand why it's happening, though, is a useful exercise. The more people dismiss the kids brought up on those estates as underclass sub-human chav scum, the more likely they are to act like them.
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To be honest it draws parallels with terrorism. We're quick to denounce them as despicable, savage acts (which they are), but when we never consider what drives people to do such things.

Its the same here.
 
Congratulations to the BBC for reporting this so widely, and not only giving these tossers publicity, but opening up the potential for other attacks round the country from other such tossers getting the same idea.

Honestly, this is all so fecking stupid.
 
ha_rooney said:
Sky's website have many reports of looting and there being no police presence at all. The police are clearly struggling to contain the situation, they should be calling in the army now and not waiting for that stupid cobra meeting.
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That's the cuts for you and the army are going the same way.
 
Seems like what happened on Saturday in Tottenham has sort of 'motivated' other gangs to start rioting in their own towns. Doesn't make sense, just seems people are out to loot and get stuff they can sell and cause unnecessary havoc.
 
Are these similar to the riots in Paris? At the time it started when two kids died electrified when they were hiding from the police.

It's just a 21st century European trend...
 
Puts a good advert out for a City that is soon to be hosting the Olympics.
 
KingEric7 said:
Congratulations to the BBC for reporting this so widely, and not only giving these tossers publicity, but opening up the potential for other attacks round the country from other such tossers getting the same idea.

Honestly, this is all so fecking stupid.
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So the media isn't supposed to report it? How does that make any sense?
 
KingEric7 said:
Congratulations to the BBC for reporting this so widely, and not only giving these tossers publicity, but opening up the potential for other attacks round the country from other such tossers getting the same idea.

Honestly, this is all so fecking stupid.
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What do you propose, a media blackout? Some of the attitude and underlying agendas from some media outlets are annoying but ignoring things isn't going to make them go away.
 
KingEric7 said:
Congratulations to the BBC for reporting this so widely, and not only giving these tossers publicity, but opening up the potential for other attacks round the country from other such tossers getting the same idea.

Honestly, this is all so fecking stupid.
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What do you expect from the BBC and other news agencies, it's their job to report what is going on and also to alert the majority of the public so they're not put in danger.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Fair enough. It's just that TBGB started blaming immigrants so I thought we could all just blame whoever we wanted. For the craic, like.
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Know I did not you prat, I don't often get mad on here but that is beyond ridiculous. You talk about the ghettoisation of our cities but as soon as I say immigration has a role in that occurring, poor people to the tune of hundreds of thousands from all parts of the world from different countries settling in the poorest parts of the country, you try and claim I am somehow blaming this all on immigration?

It has to do with kids who have a sense of entitlement who are poorly educated, poorly brought up, in rough parts of London, losing the plot completely.
 
Finally! People fighting back! Dalston is being guarded by turkish men, protecting theur businesses. Dalston has as a result calm down.
 
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