Anyone still up for my parenting licence?
That vid posted brings it hom - broken families leads to broken homes and criminal behaviour.
That vid posted brings it hom - broken families leads to broken homes and criminal behaviour.
UK Riots (with the exception of Manchester which has its own thread)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Who will it help? it'll help next time something like this kicks off, motivate parents into keeping their kids under control. If someone has to go without a council home, why shouldn't it be the looters? Do you honestly prefer the idea of an innocent person who's been arse-fecked by the recession going without?
Kicking people out of their houses isn't going to happen on a wide scale, I'd imagine it was being mooted to try give some parents a kick up the arse and encourage them to keep their little gangstas indoors.
The left are talking about this as though the houses are going to be boarded up/burned down after the scum get chucked out. The fact is that a decent person will now get a chance that the undeserving looter spurned. I really can't see how that's a bad thing.
The left? 
There aren't queues of people, evicted from private homes, living on the streets, waiting for council houses PJ, and even if there are, or a risk of their being then something should be done to allow those people to stay in the houses they were in before they look to put them in to council houses.
There aren't queues of people, evicted from private homes, living on the streets, waiting for council houses PJ, and even if there are, or a risk of their being then something should be done to allow those people to stay in the houses they were in before they look to put them in to council houses.
fecking Hell.....some of the clambering for punishments and retribution is ridiculous. What's next, chopping hands off in public?
We have more than sufficient laws to deal with the crimes that occurred this week. The police are doing a great job of tracking the perpetrators down and the courts are hitting them hard.
We have more than sufficient laws to deal with the crimes that occurred this week. The police are doing a great job of tracking the perpetrators down and the courts are hitting them hard.
I'd disagree with the sorts of punishments that are being handed out, I dont see any point in sticking someone in jail for 6 months for stealing a telly other than to stop others being encouraged to do it (which is fair enough), I think it would be a lot more beneficial if those involved and caught were forced to help in the clean up, or forced to provide labour to businesses effected.
Make them work in the communities that were impacted and beside the direct victims, it might give them some perspective on the actual damage that was done.
I think most of the lads serving a few months will come out to a heros welcome from their mates.
Make them work in the communities that were impacted and beside the direct victims, it might give them some perspective on the actual damage that was done.
I think most of the lads serving a few months will come out to a heros welcome from their mates.
Introduce an Adopt-a-Yob scheme. Compile a list of volunteers who will happily provide rooms free-of-charge for all these poor darlings who will be thrown out onto the streets. For doing nothing more than breaking the law. You up for it?
One lesson from these riots is that a majority of people are realising that deterrants should be just that.
No point sending anyone to prison, it's a holiday camp with every wall lined with Playstations and Hula girls, that's when they have walls at all.
This has been established by the CE forum and is therefore Fact.
This has been established by the CE forum and is therefore Fact.
You have a point Popper but the punishments being handed out are in line with current guidelines. I am in favor of national service units that are permanently assigned to public projects like street cleaning and helping the needy. That serves several purposes: gets the yobs away from their peer groups; teaches then some discipline and control; and actually does some good in communities etc.
Yep, thats the trouble, they can only sentence based on current legislation.... I definitely think its something that should be looked into though, and I dont just mean community service, they should have to work directly with victims or victims groups, and combine it with things like electronic tagging and curfews, for extended periods.
If they really want to reform people committing these sorts of crimes thats likely to be a lot more effective than sticking them in a room for 6 months.
If they really want to reform people committing these sorts of crimes thats likely to be a lot more effective than sticking them in a room for 6 months.
I must say I'm shocked that Mr Cameron - ordinarily so swift to give a kindly 'second chance' to certain people who've fallen foul of the law - has turned out to be such a rabid advocate of discipline and punishment. Who'd have thought it?
I'd say he's secretly delighted that this has made everyone forget about that.
Can we just offer them wheely bins instead of homes as they seem to be so fond of these bins setting them alight tipping them over using them as barricades.
Anyone watching BBC3?
Yeah, just a bunch of teens repeating what everyone has already said.
The host is shit.
sadly parts of that are true. D Cats (the majority of) do not have walls, nor fences. They do have out of bounds areas but it can be very difficult to manage with not enough staff. They are allowed to purchase a PS2 or bog standard gamecube. They pay for these themselves. They have basic 14 inch tellys. (CRT) in cell which they pay a weekly rent for. An association room might have a larger 32 inch flat screen. It has changed over to digital but they are restricted in what channels they can have. The Governor i know chose 8 channels to allow. In D cats it has been known for staff to find ladies of the night wandering around!! Now, in private jails its different. They have lcd tellys in cell, and a phone in the cell!! A prisoner once said to me, he didnt want to go back to a private prison, cos he wanted to change and if he went back, it would be drugs everywhere, staff stay in offices as there are not enough of them and they don't get paid enough to put their lives on the line. But thats the model the government want to follow.On top of that of course, after serving half of a 16 week sentence in an open prison, does anyone really believe the staff would have enough time to help rehabilitate? These people know they will get out and do not give a stuff.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.No problem, mate.
I've worked in nearly every single prison in London/Essex and the south and in my opinion they do get treated far too well. It's like you say though, there's plenty of reasons for those willing to change not to go back, but just as many to give some a 'home'. I recently worked on the open prison on the Isle of Sheppey and there's some rough characters there, but they could walk in and out of the gates at will whilst we had to be signed in and out and escorted everywhere
But as usual the truth is somewhere between what should be, and what shit like the daily mail say. They aren't holiday camps.
Probably just another drunken evening in a market/country town.
Those cows escaped into Farmer Ted's field again? Shit the fan last time that happened...
David Starkey on Newsnight said this:
"The problem is that the whites have become black," the historian said during a discussion about the riots.
An absolutely disgraceful and racist comment.
"The problem is that the whites have become black," the historian said during a discussion about the riots.
An absolutely disgraceful and racist comment.
David Starkey on Newsnight said this:
"The problem is that the whites have become black," the historian said during a discussion about the riots.
An absolutely disgraceful and racist comment.
Youre kidding me? He couldnt have said that really?
David Starkey on Newsnight said this:
"The problem is that the whites have become black," the historian said during a discussion about the riots.
An absolutely disgraceful and racist comment.
You don't think that a lot of white kids act like they're black? It's ludicrous to deny it. I'm not going to comment on the conclusions he draws but he's right in one sense.
What the feck is "acting like they're black"?
You know what you're either a WUM or a retard. What is it to be black? Define black for me? I always thought it was just a classification of a range of skin colours, but I'm open to your interpretation.
Speaking in slang non-stop, being nothing more than a nuisance really. So basically a chav.
They are called wiggers over here.
What do you mean 'act like they're black', how does one 'act black'?
This is the same Starkey who said something along the lines of Arabs are revolting because they've just discovered civilization, or thereabouts, so I wouldn't take him seriously.