UK Riots (with the exception of Manchester which has its own thread)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
The glottal stop or more precisely dropping 't's is surely a Cockney thing? Wa'eh, yeah that's a London thing....but according to a mate of mine it spread to places like Manchester via southern based TV shows in the 60s. And accents do evolve, just compare the Scouse accent of the 60s...to the likes of Carragher and their catarrh infused Scouse accent.
Disagree. The sooner Scouse, Brummy and that North-England-Asian-hybrid are phased out the better.
I seem to have a few accents. When I get annoyed I find I go back to my hometown accent (which I hate) and speak 'Crewe'!! A bit of Stokie and Manchester slips in. I can slip into a north wales accent too as most of my Family are from there. But I seem to speak a strange mixture of oxfordshire/cheshire nowadays.
I used to drop 't's and slang to feck when I was in my teens...I still get cockney around some of those mates when I see them now..
Those Mash ups are now in the top 20 most rated & favorited youtubes of the last 2 days btw..Some Labour MPs even put them on her blog..Not bad for an off hand request by Plech. fecking internet.
Those Mash ups are now in the top 20 most rated & favorited youtubes of the last 2 days btw..Some Labour MPs even put them on her blog..Not bad for an off hand request by Plech. fecking internet.
I may have sent the first one to a lot of people.
I think it's more people like Mark Thomas that are making it seen Mike....But I'm sure you can take some small bit of credit.
Being in the top rated isn't that much of an achievement tbf. I've had a few before, and so far they're both bellow "Hand in Hot Water Pee Prank" and "Bob's Guide to Cat Owning"...So..
Being in the top rated isn't that much of an achievement tbf. I've had a few before, and so far they're both bellow "Hand in Hot Water Pee Prank" and "Bob's Guide to Cat Owning"...So..
It's no shame to lose out to such fine videos as those.
I'd challenge anyone to not click on a link called "Bob's Guide to Cat Owning"...It's nigh on impossible.
I'm watching it right now.
I'm watching it right now.
They've only got the guy who robbed him. There's no mention of them having found the ones that assaulted him in the first instance.
I just searched for this, what the actual feck!I don't know if it originated in Cockney, but all dialects of English have glottal stops to some extent, though not always in the same places. Spreading in the 60s via TV seems very dubious, I think they've been around for centuries and most of the other Germanic languages have them.
"Dropping t's" isn't a very good term cos quite often the 't' isn't dropped, it's 'preglottalised' or sort of reinforced with a glottal stop - I think this is generally the case with t's at the end of words in British, American and Antipodean accents. Also it's not always 't' that gets "dropped" - e.g. 'k' and 'p' in Cockney "Bu'ingham Palace", "Su'ergoaws" etc. I might be wrong but I think some American accents replace 'd' with a glottal stop in some positions - "No the feck you di'n't."
Yeah Scouse has changed considerably in the last half-century, lots more influence from other English accents I think, and less from Irish which was a big part of the formation of Scouse.
Or 'Manchisteh', I guess. It's strange because pronouncing water wa'eh is frowned on, yet 'Manchisteh' seems fine. I think, well...you'll obviously know more, but we don't seem to stress the 'r' at the end of a word...yet folk from other parts of the UK do, the Northern Irish being a prime example. I used to get hammered by my parents for saying wa'eh.
Scouse isn't one single accent, it varies considerably from one area to another. It also differs from male to female.
I come from a northern town of only 100,000 people (Preston), and have a quite pronounced accent, but parts of the town have vowels which I simply can't replicate, even though I've heard 'em all me life.
True 711, I was oversimplifying.
It's all about distance from the prestige dialect (RP and a few similar southern English variants).
Non-rhotic = RP, therefore no 'r' at end of 'Manchester' (except before a vowel) is considered normal, and rhotic English accents like some Cornwall, Lancashire, East Anglia ones are considered rustic and comical.
Glottal stops replacing 't' before unstressed syllables (wa'er) ≠ RP, therefore deprecated by parents and teachers.
Actually RP these days does glottalise quite a few of those pre-unstressed-syllable t's, under the influence of Estuary I guess. Check out the first minute of Prince William:
Many of these are normal for even quite traditional RP, especially at the end of a word before a following consonant, but others would sound a bit common to his granddad, you'd think. He's less prone to glottalising word-internal ones like 'motivation' and 'beautiful', though at 1.47 he says his mum's not around to share the 'exci'ement'.
Ka'e is much more careful, she really goes for her t's, even at the end of words before consonants, to an extent that suggests middle-class hypercorrection to sound like an aristo. But she does have an occasional flapped 'r', the one that sounds a bit like a 'd', familiar from American English, as (I think) at 1.09: "I thoughdimight've..."
Yank flapped 'r' occurs in exactly the same position as the Cockney (and Manc etc.) glottal stops - i.e. before unstressed syllables. But because it's part of the prestige dialect in the US, people don't get sniffy about it.
Personally I have a mixture of t's, glottal stops and the occasional flap in words like 'gotta' and 'whatever', depending on how fast/casually I'm speaking and the social situation.
It's all about distance from the prestige dialect (RP and a few similar southern English variants).
Non-rhotic = RP, therefore no 'r' at end of 'Manchester' (except before a vowel) is considered normal, and rhotic English accents like some Cornwall, Lancashire, East Anglia ones are considered rustic and comical.
Glottal stops replacing 't' before unstressed syllables (wa'er) ≠ RP, therefore deprecated by parents and teachers.
Actually RP these days does glottalise quite a few of those pre-unstressed-syllable t's, under the influence of Estuary I guess. Check out the first minute of Prince William:
Many of these are normal for even quite traditional RP, especially at the end of a word before a following consonant, but others would sound a bit common to his granddad, you'd think. He's less prone to glottalising word-internal ones like 'motivation' and 'beautiful', though at 1.47 he says his mum's not around to share the 'exci'ement'.
Ka'e is much more careful, she really goes for her t's, even at the end of words before consonants, to an extent that suggests middle-class hypercorrection to sound like an aristo. But she does have an occasional flapped 'r', the one that sounds a bit like a 'd', familiar from American English, as (I think) at 1.09: "I thoughdimight've..."
Yank flapped 'r' occurs in exactly the same position as the Cockney (and Manc etc.) glottal stops - i.e. before unstressed syllables. But because it's part of the prestige dialect in the US, people don't get sniffy about it.
Personally I have a mixture of t's, glottal stops and the occasional flap in words like 'gotta' and 'whatever', depending on how fast/casually I'm speaking and the social situation.
What has this thread descended into?
Plech is saying that poor diction is a direct cause of the riots and that it is all the fault of gangsta yoof I believe.
Probably.
Probably.
Bollocks mainly
Is anyone else starting to imagine a glottal stop as a real thing, like a Willy Wonker treat or a sort of bath plug made of globules of snot?
I've got a mental image of plech sitting there, alone, repeating "glottal" over and over again.
"glo'al"
Word.
Excellent
I think the other one was slightly better though, as it had less jump-cuts and the classic sequence -
WOMAN: Tell me about a rap artist you've listened to.
STARKEY: For me - Enoch Powell. *didactic finger-raising*... Listen blud...
I think the other one was slightly better though, as it had less jump-cuts and the classic sequence -
WOMAN: Tell me about a rap artist you've listened to.
STARKEY: For me - Enoch Powell. *didactic finger-raising*... Listen blud...
Well in mockney.The other one has by far the more views Plech...It jumped up by about 7k over night. Though the NS link will probably bump this one up now.
Another minor net victory for the Caf to go with Spoony's Kaka wum and harassing an underage pole vaulter.
Another minor net victory for the Caf to go with Spoony's Kaka wum and harassing an underage pole vaulter.
Meh...Not very creative is it Top ey?...it's just some clips and that, la. I'd rank it along side Bob's Guide to Cat Owning...Probably slightly below.
1 million...
But did it get in the New Statesman?..Or on the blog for a completely unknown Labour MP? ..Or retweed by low rent 90s comedian Mark Thomas?
Bob's Guide to Cat Owning > Top's clip show.
Bob's Guide to Cat Owning > Top's clip show.
The best thing is that you know David Starkey's actually going to be shown this now.
Prefer the first one though, production was tighter innit.
Apparently Cameron said today what eve pollard said a few days ago. That the rioters dont have fathers? Any truth in this?
Absent fathers was mentioned as a factor. No mention of mothers using access-denial as a revenge tactic though.
I'm pretty sure they all have fathers.
I see. Thats pathetic on his part IMO. Having an absent father is not in anyway a reason or excuse for rioting. Bad parenting is. Theres a difference.
Funny.
No no, single mothers are evil Mickey, so says the Tories.
They're all little bastards, but I doubt that's what he meant.