Just saying...a person can say the N word without having to move his/her lips. Little wonder we're being told that there's no tv evidence.
Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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Its very obvious that all United fans are siding Evra & all the Liverpool fans are siding with Suarez. But in all honesty no one really knows shit except for those two. So lets not blindly support our respective players without any proper evidence to back it up because these are some serious allegations.
Thanks folks.
acrebo - Darren Lewis from the Mirror tweeted about it and it was retweeted by Mark Bosnich.
Picked this up of another site where it was claimed this was the incident.
Very difficult to determine whats being said however its not inconceivable that that was the moment when it happened. When you say the word 'Black' in Spanish you only have to open your mouth for the initial sound the "gro" rolls of your tongue and that seems to be what happens with Suarez's lips.
Some people might argue that simply calling a person "Black" is not offensive. Clearly in Anglo-Saxon culture it isn't but in the Mediterranean/Latin American world there is a different history that means words carry different meanings. In my wife's country they feel its more polite to refer to me as a Moreno because the word "Black" is pejorative in their common parlance. Either way whatever Suarez is saying its clear from his face that its not complimentary.
Lipreading is extremely unreliable anyway, after Zidane butted Materazzi in the chest there were 4 or 5 different lipreaders who were sure of what was said and they all had different interpretations ranging from calling him the son of a terrorist whore to saying he wanted to feck his sister.
Already been posted in this thread... it cuts off annoyingly suddenly, surprised nobody has made a better clip yet.
Wonder what the Liverpool players think about Suarez. We dont have racial issues in the game here except for a minority of idiots in the stands.
Though they may present a united front, this cannot go down too well with the local players certainly.
Though they may present a united front, this cannot go down too well with the local players certainly.
Not a word I like but if I was going to call anyone it , it would be Suarez
Taylor eager to act as peacemaker - Footymad
souds like he wants to sweep this under the carpet ASAP
souds like he wants to sweep this under the carpet ASAP
He really does seem like the type of guy to do this. But with Suarez we also knew he was a scumbag. The really disappointing thing is the actions of LFC trying to get Evra into trouble when they don't have any idea of the facts. Not only does this suggest that they are a club that condones racism, it also shows they will use an incident surrounding the very serious issue of racism as a means to score petty points against a rival by trying to get one of their players banned. I can't remember an occasion where a football club has acted so classlessly
It's not supporting your player blindly when you take into account:
1. The perceivable nature of the two individuals.
2. The subject matter in question.
Noone would claim that they are sure suarez did it but based on the above vague points, I'm very much inclined to believe evra. When an absolute prick gets accused of doing something only a prick would do by someone who doesn't come across as a prick, then I'm inclined to believe the said prick probably did do prick-like action. And that's not taking into account the fact that evra was quite obviously incensed on the pitch which you don't see very often and that this is not something players imo would accuse others of just for a laugh.
In most disciplinary cases, one would expect a player's club to support him unless the evidence was obvious and damning. In this instance, I suspect Liverpool already know that, even if there is evidence, it's ambiguous at best. Therefore, they've nothing to lose by backing their player. This doesn't actually mean that Liverpool FC condones racism; it's just that backing Suarez when it's unlikely he'll be charged is a win-win situation for them...and potentially a lot less trouble, financial or otherwise, than the implications of not backing him.
Of course, it may turn out that Suarez is innocent of the racism charge, in which case Liverpool would be right in supporting him. But I know who I believe and this has nothing to do with club bias - Suarez's reputation for gamesmanship goes before him; something, it saddens me to state, that many LFC fans fail to recognise. I don't really think Suarez is a racist; I just think he's quite willing to cheat in almost any way in order to gain an advantage during a match. If he abused Evra in order to get a reaction from him, what better way? The abuse isn't as obvious as, say, fouling Evra, and is hard to prove...in which case, if PE had reacted violently, United would have been reduced to ten men or Evra would have been on a yellow.
We were watching it, and we all said something must have happened for Evra to be so annoyed because normally he doesn't get like that. He's feisty at times sure, but something must have been done (or said!) for him to react like that and keep on the way he did, to the point where he ended up getting booked. Plus the way he just swiped Suarez hand away quite forcefully, it's not how Evra normally reacts.
Whats Kristian Walsh's next trick? Accuse Evra of being a pedophile to highlight the inadequacy of British childcare services?
simply..attack is the best form of defence.
personally I think the other Liverpool players don't think much of Suarez after what he has done. Sure they know it.
the bigger loss is that he has managed to tarnish the English game, after so much stride has been made in this area.
Keep seeing that gif being posted as being the 'incident', but if he was supposed to have said it 10 times, then that can not be the incident, can it?
Evra speaks Spanish now? Dunno why people bringing up the Spanish translation.
Way to go trying to be a smartarse. Evra does indeed speak Spanish.
On the (vague) topic of racism between players, what happened between Schmeichel and Wright all those years back? From memory didn't he accuse him of racism and a few years later they pitched up as pundits together, the best of mates.
Yep I mentioned this earlier
It was heat of the moment. But treated seriously at the time (Which it is to be fair)
Nothing could ever be proven and now there are good friends years later
I would have been more upset with Wright for some of the "tackles" he made.
They were good ol strong tackles. Goalkeepers are too protected IMO
I recall him going in 2 footed in an attempt to seriously injure Schmeichel.
At least one of those "tackles" was absolutely disgusting. No intent other than to injure Schmeicel.
One of Uniteds backroom staff made the acusation that a racist comment had been directed at Evra, not Evra himself.
Just remembering the incident where Wright left his foot in when Schmeichel came out to claim the ball. Was that before or after the alleged racist remark?
So is it know proved that this Liverpool fan is a retarded cnut?
It's been proved beyond any doubt.
Yeah there was a bad one. But no excuse to call him what he did
None whatsoever. My sympathies would be more with Wright than Schmeicel, assuming the allegations are true.
Exactly.
Evra has actually never made any such accusations. A lipreader accused Finnan, Evra didn't file a complaint; Mike Phelan and someone else heard the colour commentary at Chelsea, Evra didn't make a complaint. Until now every instance of reported racism against Evra has been reported by someone else. This is the first time Evra himself has made any such complaint. So much misinformation by Scouse partisans to try and discredit Evra before an investigation is even concluded...
Is this attempt to het evra a ban evra actually the official stance of Liverpool football club? That's disgraceful if true to be honest.
People associated with Liverpool Football Club getting their 'fachts' wrong, nothing new there. Can't believe they've gone on record to say if it can't be proved Evra should be banned, what kind of stupid logic is that?
From Fergie's Prematch Champions League press conference
What did Liverpool think would happen when they accused Evra of lying and pushed for a ban?
Once you take it to that level, your now attempting to punish the possible victim. While I understand Liverpool wanting to go on the offensive it was a very, very stupid move and will only inflame the situation.
Feeky I've been following you for ages on twitter I had no idea you were the same person
If Suarez did say it, even if nothing comes of this incident, if he does it again and gets accused again there will be precedence, at least.
It's a terrible day for the racism campaign if Liverpool are allowed to do this to the victim of the allegation.
They really shouldn't have got involved in this way
The trouble is, if Liverpool or Suarez were to take legal action against Evra for slander, there's very little he could do to defend himself. He would have to show evidence to back up his claim, and so far, there isn't any.