I would like to have a midfield again who I just knew would perform to the highest standard! Not in and out like now
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I would like to have a midfield again who I just knew would perform to the highest standard! Not in and out like now
We were in for him. We just couldn't afford him when he was ready to move and his club was ready to sell.
The problem yesterday is we were like an aeroplane with one wing. One wing was completely dead. United doesn't function with only one wing.
It's a strange one.
I think he's largely been playing very well this season. On the other hand, he's clearly more suited to play alongside Cleverley. With Ando, Tom and Rooney on song at the start of the season, there were no problems with cutting through opposition midfields.
Interesting to see whether he returns to the sparkling form of his early matches when Cleverley returns.
I sort of agree, just a bit, with pete though. He isn't primarily a CM. He does a good job at it because he tackles strongly, but positionally he isn't comfortable. At the same time, he doesn't produce enough, you feel, to play as an AM. Difficult dilemma this one.
I think he's largely been playing very well this season. On the other hand, he's clearly more suited to play alongside Cleverley. With Ando, Tom and Rooney on song at the start of the season, there were no problems with cutting through opposition midfields.
Interesting to see whether he returns to the sparkling form of his early matches when Cleverley returns.
I sort of agree, just a bit, with pete though. He isn't primarily a CM. He does a good job at it because he tackles strongly, but positionally he isn't comfortable. At the same time, he doesn't produce enough, you feel, to play as an AM. Difficult dilemma this one.
not so sure we couldnt afford him chief, just that Sir Alex had a figure he was worth in his mind and wasnt going over. Same with Benzema.
Indeed.
Right going to open a can of worms here, this guy isn't going to make the grade I'm afraid.
Depends on what you expect from him now.
He's definitely no Paul Scholes successor, nor do I believe he'll go on to be amongst the world's best...I think I speak for quite a few fans there. But he has still has time to morph into a very good midfielder.
Same old inconsistent Anderson really.
Ive always kept faith with him but he is starting to annoy me with his lack of consistancy, sure hes young but he has a fair share of experience behind him and im just not seeing him get any better.
His passing for example is a aspect of his game that i thought would develop further after his debut season but if anything its gone worse! I still have time for the lad but his last few games have been really poor.
His passing for example is a aspect of his game that i thought would develop further after his debut season but if anything its gone worse! I still have time for the lad but his last few games have been really poor.
He's got to learn to stop smashing the football when he goes for a long pass. The margin for error is minimal and it puts that little bit of extra pressure on the receiver to bring it down.
He'll find his feet, he was very good at the start of the season. Consistency is key.
He'll find his feet, he was very good at the start of the season. Consistency is key.
This is a guy who has started in a Champions League final don't forget. He's too frustrating, he most know his time is up soon unless he gets his arse into gear... He's been given so many chances.
I remember him setting the youth world cup alight. Since then, what the feck has gone wrong with him? I get a feeling we'll never see him coming good for us.
He needs to work on his consistency. i still have high hopes from him. when he's on song, he's definitely good enough for a club like ours. what he needs though is to be on song 8 times out of 10. at the moment, its in the range of 5-6 good games from 10. thats the issue.
I doubt his time is up soon. People forget he IS still young. If the application is there, the talent is. He's had his injuries etc. He's getting a run of games, that a positive. I think when he has support in and around him, he'll get better. He's not good enough to do it by himself. He needs options in and around him. I think we're asking too much of him at the minute because prior this season he had great games now and then but wasn't a great player. He's got the confidence but not the consistency to back it up.
We want to see the goals returning, the quick interplay. The dynamic just isn't there at the moment. He did have one or two decent efforts against city mind you. His plays predictable. People talk about the early season form, but the fact is we were a threat all across the final third. At the moment, we're not. We don't have the guile or the arrogance at the minute in the final third to be creative.
Give it about a month and we'll be hailing him as the best thing since sliced bread again, with Cleverley being the hero for revolutionising our game.
It was very good in the first few games of the season but got dramatically worse recently. He really struggles to get the weight of his pass right when he's not on top of his game. Far too many over and under-hit passes yesterday.
And also the fact that when he has a bad game, he's truly terrible.Some players can still deliver a key pass, interception or have a key moment in a match.
I'd be very disappointed if he's shown the door at this stage of his career. He is very young and surely not the player he can be. he's already shown that at his best, he's a very good player. what we need is to find a way to make him more consistent, showing him the door isnt a solution. its not as if we have fantastic CMs losing out on game time because of his presence anyways.
Good point. Thats another thing about him. He just seems to lose all confidence if he makes a couple of mistakes. he needs to be told that a misplaced pass or a general mistake isnt the end of the world. a couple of mistakes and his game goes tits up
Or maybe we'll be sat here saying we need a new midfielder?
The fact is it could be exactly as you say. Relationships on the pitch exist - but it's a team game. Just like when Jones was breaking forward from midfield, where's that drive gone? People wanted him in midfield, he plays a game and omg he's no midfielder lol or maybe he had a bad day at the office vs liverpool...All we can do is look at what's changed, but of course maybe it's only natural after a flying start for things to calm down. Personally I think Cleverly brought a fresh approach to the game and rarely wasted possession and he wasn't standing miles off Anderson but Anderson always had him as an option and he was playing with confidence.
People probably think I hate Carrick. I don't think he's an amazing defensive midfielder. In a three with Anderson and Cleverly with one up top i'm sure we'd do well but the problem is we've a number of good strikers and maybe that's the problem
We shouldn't be so reliant on him to become our next big thing in the midfield anymore.
I think he's still a great talent but he's one who needs to be surrounded by a certain style of player to unlock his potential, he's better when the ball retention is much quicker. Our ball retention has really bogged down since Cleverley's injury, this means Ando doesn't really have the gaps to pick because our play is so stagnant. He's a pretty aggressive passer as is Giggs and sometimes you can look very silly when things don't come off, Giggs doesn't get anywhere near as much criticism for his passing though.
How old's Ando anyway, 24/25? He's still got 2-3 years before he reaches his peak. Patience people, patience.
How old's Ando anyway, 24/25? He's still got 2-3 years before he reaches his peak. Patience people, patience.
Plenty of time, he just needs to find some consistency, his talent is there for everyone to see.
He also needs a consistent partner and be sure we will see the good things in him that we all hoped for.
Come on Cleverley!
Best in a three man midfield unless paired with somebody whos as dynamic as him like Cleverley (or previously his best partner was Hargreaves)
I still believe this.
I still believe this.
Do you really believe that a consistent partner next to him is the issue here? He could be consistently partnering a prime Roy Keane and we'd still see dreadful performances from Anderson.
He's not a CM, certainly not in a two man centre midfield. As bizarre as it sounds I don't think there's a position on the football field that he's particularly well suited to. A nothing player.
That's his best bet but we only play a three man midfield a few times a season. I'd suggest he's surplus to requirements unless Fergie suddenly decides to go for a completely different approach.
Are you a kid or what, he is a very good versatile player, he has showed a lot of good football, it is just a matter of consistency.
He is 23 and can only get better and not worse as he has a lot to prove, I don't know where this critic is coming from but I guess you don't see this kid play at all.
He hasn't had the right number of games in in a consegutive manner as one player might get as Fergie is rotating each playerto get the best of others, but it doesn't sometime help an individual player but Fergie knows best when it comes to United.
But don't right him off because of Yesterday's result, we needed a kick in the back side just to remind us what a one of is.
I think you expect United to be WINNING day in and day out, which is impossible, wake up to the fresh air and get behind the players.
I for one was well ticked off with Evans and why Fergie didn't put Jones in that position to begin with, but that is part of the parcel I'm araid...live with it and show some appreciation for Anderson.
I have high hopes for this kid, it is just a matter of time will be on his side or not and I'll make it clear he is not another Djemba Djemba or a Kleberson, he has showed what he is worth, maybe you only started to watch United recently, I don't know but 1-6 is not the end of the world and you can't put all the blame on him entirely, the whole team needed to be assessed the same as a whole.
Anderson was brilliant in the games next to Cleverley (Community Shield, Spurs, Arsenal and West Brom). I think he also did well against Bolton when Carrick came on. But since then his level along with the rest has been iffy and inconsistent. Its not just him but you see it with Nani and Young as well. Welbeck you can tell loves to link up with Cleverley.
Im not turning this into a Cleverley saviour type post but I do think Anderson can play two man midfield but it also depends on his partner. When paired with Fletcher and carrick I think it puts too much on him to be the creative man which isnt great given how much he runs / covers. As Cleverley was creating as well, it took some pressure of Ando.
I think what will be interesting to see is when Cleverley does come back, how hes put into the team again, and whether he partners Anderson again and how it affects Andos performances.
Eamon? Is that you?
Hmm, maybe it's just me but I find him a lot better when he's actually playing deeper in front of the defence - with Cleverley pushing forward and usually the more attacking player, Anderson played well in those matches mentioned already above by Sylar. That's where he can pick up the ball, also use his acceleration in our half to rush past players in the middle of the park, as seen v Spurs.
Or maybe it's just me.
Or maybe it's just me.
He's a complete mess as a centre midfielder and much of it stems from his appalling level of fitness and stamina. He's had the full pre-season and there's still no improvement. Enough is enough. He either lacks the right level of application or he just has naturally poor stamina. Either way, it isn't good enough for Manchester United.
He really didn't though, jesus christ. He was better in possession than he normally is but as an all round midfield performance it wasn't good enough. Spurs had the freedom of Old Trafford between the midfield and the defence but they didn't take advantage of it and neither did Norwich. Basel did. City did. Chelsea inexplicably didn't and let's remember even that fecking Arsenal side should have put 4 or 5 past us. It's embarrassing, it really is.
He he. But seriously though, I watch him very closely from North Stand Tier 2 (great view of the action) and I'm genuinely embarrassed by his performances.
If you want to play 4-4-2 vs 4-2-3-1 then either you have Rooney always deep helping out or one of your two central midfielders is a very good defensive midfielder.
You can play any formation you like but if your players are ball watching and letting opposition players trundle past you then its a failure of your defensive acumen rather than any formation.
You can play any formation you like but if your players are ball watching and letting opposition players trundle past you then its a failure of your defensive acumen rather than any formation.
He received good ratings for those games, mind.
Yes, on redcafe.net. In other words, completely meaningless ratings.
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