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Let's hope this has the same affect like Nani, he had a very bad run of games... Was dropped ( I don't think we can drop Ando with all our MF's injured ) then came back and was immense...

But mannn last night i thought Ando made players like Djemba look godly, he was piss poor and he didn't show the desire to win the ball back...

To many school boy errors...

Here's hoping he'll play with Cleverly again soon as it was Cleverly who has brought the best out of Ando.
 
Red Dreams said:
I want to see him and Cleverley play together before I decide. I cannot believe he could have just gone off the boil like that.
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with his form currently, i don't think that is possible. I just thought that with a complete pre-season, he should be fitter and raring to go from the word start. But he seems to go backwards in the last few games. This is really a worrying sign
 
I wonder what SAF's instructions to him were because for most of the game he was playing ahead of Rooney. Now either SAF recognizes that Rooney is the more combative and disciplined defender or he wants to give Anderson a chance to influence the forward movement. Either way yesterday was a massive let down because Anderson made very few telling passes, and his defensive work was shoddy at best. In fact one of the more worrying trends this year has been his lackadasical approach to defending...he fecks up a relatively simple pass and then doesn't really bother putting in a strong tackle. This basically opens up and encourages the opposition midfield to just run right through us and take pot shots at our keeper (something almost every team has done).

I have always had doubts about this lad and give this really was THE season for him to stake a claim I am wondering if he really has it in him to make it as a midfielder for a club like United.

Having 1 good game and following it up with 10 mediocre ones may be ok for a team like Porto or Gremio but it's not going to be enough for a team that's as ambitious as United.
 
Very frustrating player.Just when you think he's moving a step forward he produces a performance like last night.He is just to inconsistent and i can't see it changing.
 
Better than Cleberson?? We don't have much luck with Brazilians do we. Don't think Anderson will ever get there and that's a shame cus it looked like he had the potential. Mabey he just doesn't want it enough. Some of his passing, the way he smashes it wildly is perplexing.
 
From the 'Rooney to replace Scholes' thread.

Pogue Mahone said:
Out of interest, how does Anderson's compare? *shudder*
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I only know it's 47/62 (76%).

His forward passes:

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wow...

looks like 50% of his forward passes fail.

That's shocking considering we weren't playing Barca or Real Madrid, and we were at home.

Simply not good enough...at any level.
 
If you were to focus on his performances this season and really scrutinise them... If you took an unbiased view you were come to the conclusion that he is very limited, inconsistent, lacking stamina but with a couple of attributes to mask this to some extent (rapid acceleration)
 
Just doesnt really fit in anywhere. He has a lot of good attributes but for any given position he is also missing key skills.

I'm not sure anymore, we have given him plenty of time, and whilst he looked good alongside cleverley, he still just isn't really performing up to standard.
 
Anderson's rating from manutd.com aka propaganda machine:

Anderson: With Wayne Rooney often dropping deep, much of the attacking responsibility fell on Anderson's shoulders. That's a tough ask for anybody in the Champions League and the Brazilian struggled to assert himself on the game.

Edit: A career in PR awaits the writer of that pearl.
 
Maciek said:
From the 'Rooney to replace Scholes' thread.

I only know it's 47/62 (76%).

His forward passes:

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That's fecking dire. Shit accuracy aside, the difference in number of passes attempted between him and Rooney is shocking.

98 passes attempted vs 31. Unreal. Don't remember him making a single tackle either. When he's not on top of his game he's unbelievably peripheral.
 
It was a disappointing performance, but don't some of you overreact?

I don't understand why, when player is not in a good form, there are fans who want to sell him and tell he's just not good enough.

Let's wait for Cleverley/Carrick, let's have the same back four in a run of matches. If we're confident at the back (again), there won't be any problems (or that huge) with the rest.
 
KingMinger22 said:
If you were to focus on his performances this season and really scrutinise them... If you took an unbiased view you were come to the conclusion that he is very limited, inconsistent, lacking stamina but with a couple of attributes to mask this to some extent (rapid acceleration)
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Yes, but even his strengths weren't on show yesterday...you look at the type of run Fabio made, and that's what I expect Anderson to be able to do on a regular basis. Take on midfielders, dribble past them, make them commit a foul, get a free kick, cause some sort of chaos because you have a player charging at them at full tilt (like Ronaldo used to do for us).

But that never happened. Not once. He has pace and his dribbling does seem to be good but he doesn't have the confidence to take his man on. Instead he attempts medium - long range passes which work on 50% of the time. Now i'm not sure what SAF and the staff are telling him, but why he keeps trying to do something he's not good at is beyond me.

It's been how many years now that we've seen him drill passes to the wings and they are far too heavy, and yet he keeps doing it. But dribbling and using his pace to cut through the heart of a midfield. Inducing tackles on the edge of the box? Nope...not going to try that.

It's baffling because he's doing everything he can to ensure he doesn't succeed.
 
Maciek said:
It was a disappointing performance, but don't some of you overreact?

I don't understand why, when player is not in a good form, there are fans who want to sell him and tell he's just not good enough.

Let's wait for Cleverley/Carrick, let's have the same back four in a run of matches. If we're confident at the back (again), there won't be any problems (or that huge) with the rest.
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I don't think that's it, Maciek. It's simply the fact that his good form can't last beyond a couple of games or so followed by a ridiculous number of poor games and when he's having an off day, he completely loses control on the game.

Not to forget, it's the body language/effort that I take issue with. It's one thing having an off day but a whole other thing when you look like you can't be arsed. That is the difference between a top player and others, Top players will try and dismantle anything that's set in front of them, Anderson looks like he chooses when he wants to make an effort.

I really hope this is like the Nani situation when things with him were coming to a boil owing to his own inconsistency and the way he turned it around. But seeing as how it's becoming a familiar pattern, it's looking rather bleak.
 
Devilton said:
Yes, but even his strengths weren't on show yesterday...you look at the type of run Fabio made, and that's what I expect Anderson to be able to do on a regular basis. Take on midfielders, dribble past them, make them commit a foul, get a free kick, cause some sort of chaos because you have a player charging at them at full tilt (like Ronaldo used to do for us).

But that never happened. Not once. He has pace and his dribbling does seem to be good but he doesn't have the confidence to take his man on. Instead he attempts medium - long range passes which work on 50% of the time. Now i'm not sure what SAF and the staff are telling him, but why he keeps trying to do something he's not good at is beyond me.

It's been how many years now that we've seen him drill passes to the wings and they are far too heavy, and yet he keeps doing it. But dribbling and using his pace to cut through the heart of a midfield. Inducing tackles on the edge of the box? Nope...not going to try that.

It's baffling because he's doing everything he can to ensure he doesn't succeed.
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Completely agree. We have all seen his highlight reel with lovely runs against Blackburn and west brom (or Whoever it was) yet he just doesn't seem to do it.

His attitude was the worst thing. A player in his position should be busting a gut to try to prove himself and really become a first teamer, but he just looked lazy.

The one other comment though is that we don't know how much (if any) of this play comes from instruction from the coaching staff. I would find it strange if they were telling anderson not to run with the ball, but who knows what goes on in the backstage?
 
Walrus said:
Completely agree. We have all seen his highlight reel with lovely runs against Blackburn and west brom (or Whoever it was) yet he just doesn't seem to do it.

His attitude was the worst thing. A player in his position should be busting a gut to try to prove himself and really become a first teamer, but he just looked lazy.

The one other comment though is that we don't know how much (if any) of this play comes from instruction from the coaching staff. I would find it strange if they were telling anderson not to run with the ball, but who knows what goes on in the backstage?
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I'm not sure why Anderson didn't run with the ball, because to me yesterday was a perfect opportunity to try it. The opposition weren't the best, the wingers weren't playing well and our forwards were looking increasingly frustrated by the lack of service. Even the crowd was apathetic at times. It was the perfect time to go on a surging run and get some energy back into the game. I remember Fabio's run as the most memorable moment in the game because it showed me the lad was willing to show Otel who we were instead of playing everything at a safe, pedestrian pace.

I'm not sure what Anderson thinks of his place in the squad, but surely he had to know yesterday was a golden moment to show the manager and the fans he has what it takes to make it as a first team player.

The fact the chance was thrown away tells me either

1) He doesn't realize how few opportunities he has left to prove himself - and believes everything will just come easy.

2) He can't produce his best on a consistent basis even when the opposition and circumstances are in his favor.

Either way, I believe SAF tried to give Anderson the platform to influence the game. He was playing ahead of Rooney for most of the game in the role that Cleverley (Giggs) would normally play...it was painfully obvious there is still a lot of work for him, and one wonders just how long SAF will continue to have faith.
 
Maciek said:
It was a disappointing performance, but don't some of you overreact?

I don't understand why, when player is not in a good form, there are fans who want to sell him and tell he's just not good enough.

Let's wait for Cleverley/Carrick, let's have the same back four in a run of matches. If we're confident at the back (again), there won't be any problems (or that huge) with the rest.
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I don't want to sell him but seriously, when has he ever NOT been in poor form? His lack of consistency is unbelievable, he just can't play continuously well for even a month, or 2.

He's a very, very frustrating player.
 
Siorac said:
Thing is, whenever Anderson performs poorly we start saying things like "he needs to get his confidence back". Seriously, he must have the most fragile confidence in the entire footballing world.
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Mentioned this at the start of the season in one of the matchday threads. This was when he was performing well and the first game he was going to miss this season (not sure who it was against). I was worried that his confidence by missing one game (I think he was rested for a CL game) may take a battering because it's so fragile. I was, obviously, shot down for saying this with comments like: Nah, he is playing too well for his confidence to be destroyed so easily.

But I knew from previous experiences, when Anderson is on form, and misses a game, he comes back a completely different player. I don't know what happens, but it's true. It's like he needs about 3 or 4 games in a row to find his confidence, hence finding form, and when he is rested or misses a game, he comes back as the shite player that he is currently being. And so on. If he doesn't really find a consistent run of good form this season, I think it's time to call it quits and wave goodbye to our loveable, samba dancing, tubby idiot.
 
I think a lot of you are very harsh. Look at this calander year. He has been excellent when played for the vast majority. For the 1st 4 weeks of the season he was one of our best players.
 
Time for him to leave IMO.

No consistency in his game. 1 good game in 10 is not enough for us. He flatters to deceive the whole time. The only thing that could work for him is if we bought a real defensive midfielder who would allow him to wonder freely.

I also think he is technically flawwed. He has to really open up his body in order to pass, which is not always possible.
 
Its hardly 1 good game in 10 now is it? Unless I missed that string of excellent games from August through to September
 
harsh, you guys were praising him at the start of the season now want him to go, ridiculous.
 
Midfield is arguably our biggest concern and most important position. We cannot have a player that blows hot and cold, and whose level of performances varies so greatly. In a club like ours, we need a player who is consistent, and when underperforming, still contributes on a acceptable level. Scholes, when he's shite, its still at least a 6/10. Anderson on the other hand, when he's bad, he's so shockingly bad that the team rarely performs and is basically playing with 10 men. Fergie is amazing patient. I'm not saying we should sell him, but rather we need depth and competition for midfield. Right now, i'll put him as the biggest disappointment of all Fergie's signing. I seriously thought he would go on to be as good as Gerrard or Fabregas when he was first bought, due to his amazing physical attributes. He's that much potential, which makes it all the more frustrating and disappointing. :(
 
Rubbish yet again. Little useful attacking impetus, switches off defensively and gives the ball away far too frequently.

For me he sinmply doesnt have the discipline to play centrally in a side with only two central players.

At one point he gave the ball away twice in succession yards from his own box.

If we're relying on him this year then things are worse than I thought. Far far to inconsistent.
 
Fickle fans eh... He was brilliant at the beginning of the season, everyone saying they knew he would come good, always had believe etc... Now, out of form, he's shit and he (together with Evans) are becoming the new scapegoats.

His form and fitness seems to be poor, yes. But do we have an alternative? Fletcher has been shit too lately, no one knows whats up with Carrick, Cleverley showed promising signs but not more and that Rooney has to play in midfield for a club like United (cause we do not have enough quality) is a freaking joke
 
Devilton said:
I'm not sure what Anderson thinks of his place in the squad, but surely he had to know yesterday was a golden moment to show the manager and the fans he has what it takes to make it as a first team player.

The fact the chance was thrown away tells me either

1) He doesn't realize how few opportunities he has left to prove himself - and believes everything will just come easy.

2) He can't produce his best on a consistent basis even when the opposition and circumstances are in his favor.

Either way, I believe SAF tried to give Anderson the platform to influence the game. He was playing ahead of Rooney for most of the game in the role that Cleverley (Giggs) would normally play...it was painfully obvious there is still a lot of work for him, and one wonders just how long SAF will continue to have faith.
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Thing is, he's perfectly entitled to think his position in the squad is safe because we can't really afford to let him go at this stage. We are at least one CM short as it is and if Giggs retires next summer, it will be two. Carrick is 30 and Fletcher might never fully recover from that bloody virus.

If we sold Anderson, too, that would, realistically, mean having to sign three midfield players next summer. And as Fergie is clearly reluctant to sign even one, Anderson can feel totally safe. Even though it's his fifth season and it's still more of the same: some encouraging performances littered with total disasters.
 
It's Fletcher's fault really. He was so marginal last night poor Anderson didn't stand a chance.
 
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Fickle fans eh... He was brilliant at the beginning of the season, everyone saying they knew he would come good, always had believe etc... Now, out of form, he's shit and he (together with Evans) are becoming the new scapegoats.

His form and fitness seems to be poor, yes. But do we have an alternative? Fletcher has been shit too lately, no one knows whats up with Carrick, Cleverley showed promising signs but not more and that Rooney has to play in midfield for a club like United (cause we do not have enough quality) is a freaking joke
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It really is so easy to generalize what a few of us say to everyone :lol:
Anderson started the season promisingly and obviously it gets the fans enthusiastic about him but many of us hoped that when things were gonna be tougher for him, there would still be a clear improvement in his performances.
I don't personally expect to be as consistent as a mature CM but when he's playing badly I expect him to show more effort and heart.You cannot witness anything good from him when he has a bad match.
 
kouroux said:
It really is so easy to generalize what a few of us say to everyone :lol:
Anderson started the season promisingly and obviously it gets the fans enthusiastic about him but many of us hoped that when things were gonna be tougher for him, there would still be a clear improvement in his performances.
I don't personally expect to be as consistent as a mature CM but when he's playing badly I expect him to show more effort and heart.You cannot witness anything good from him when he has a bad match.
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he deserves to be critisized - but so do many other players. And to state he should be kicked out now and blame him for all our misery is ridiculous
 
Escobar said:
he deserves to be critisized - but so do many other players. And to state he should be kicked out now and blame him for all our misery is ridiculous
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I agree. The former is fine based on how rubbish he's been, but to say we should sell him is mental.
 
Escobar said:
Fickle fans eh... He was brilliant at the beginning of the season, everyone saying they knew he would come good, always had believe etc... Now, out of form, he's shit and he (together with Evans) are becoming the new scapegoats.

His form and fitness seems to be poor, yes. But do we have an alternative? Fletcher has been shit too lately, no one knows whats up with Carrick, Cleverley showed promising signs but not more and that Rooney has to play in midfield for a club like United (cause we do not have enough quality) is a freaking joke
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I never said he was brilliant at the start of the season. Better than he has been yes, but not outstanding.

Even if I was one of those people claiming that he was, it doesnt bode well that in early November his form has dipped so dramatically.

Plenty of people on here continually stick up for players simply because they're at United. No doubt if Anderson was playing at Arsenal or Carrick at Chelsea we'd be a bit more pragmatic about it.

The fact is that those people who are being made "scapegoats" as you allege are the players who have continually under performed for some time and frankly show little of the conistency required to be a top player for a very top side.

Anderson has had plenty of opportunities at United and unlike Nani doesn't seem to be getting any better.
 
kouroux said:
It really is so easy to generalize what a few of us say to everyone :lol:
Anderson started the season promisingly and obviously it gets the fans enthusiastic about him but many of us hoped that when things were gonna be tougher for him, there would still be a clear improvement in his performances.
I don't personally expect to be as consistent as a mature CM but when he's playing badly I expect him to show more effort and heart.You cannot witness anything good from him when he has a bad match.
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Perhaps it's high time he started performing as a mature CM should? He's 23, that's not really THAT young and most top class midfielders were already very good at that age. Besides, you need to take it into account that he has already had five seasons of experience as a professional so he should have learned something by now and it looks like he has stagnated. He has moved from being one of the most promising young players around to someone who may or may not be decent.
 
I agree with you Sarni.Right now Anderson reminds of Nani a couple of years ago where his talent was so evident but yet he was so frustrating (he still is tbh but a lot less than before).
Anderson needs to be more consistent and more importantly in the matches where he's not at his best, he shouldn't be a total ghost.
 
Nani got rid of that after 3 years though, big time. Anderson is in his sixth season now.

Saying that, I think it's generally harder for central midfielders to reach their potential than wingers, and can take longer, hence I just will not lose hope, not yet anyway.
 
cina said:
Nani got rid of that after 3 years though, big time. Anderson is in his sixth season now.

Saying that, I think it's generally harder for central midfielders to reach their potential than wingers, and can take longer, hence I just will not lose hope, not yet anyway.
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Nani can still be disastrously poor when he's not on form, see yesterday's game for example. But that's less of an issue out wide while you can't get away with it in central midfield.

And there's another thing. Nani clearly had all the attributes required for a good wide player: pace, trickery, crossing, finishing ability. Anderson's vision, creativity, passing are either not good enough or very hit-and-miss for a top central midfielder.

I still think he works best as a "facilitator" in a three-man midfield: his pace and running with the ball can create space for the more intelligent and creative players around him.
 
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