The hate for Real Madrid

[Sir Matt]

Sounds a little like what Barca did with some of their property that was sold to the city for a dubious price. Unless that was also Madrid. I really can't remember which it was.

It's ridiculous how well-connected the two clubs are to politics. AC Milan are owned by the PM and probably don't get quite as favorable treatment.

 

[Wittmann45]

Wasn't that Madrid that sold property to the government of Madrid around their new training ground?

I would expect Madrid to possibly get help from the Madrid government, but Barcelona, as a symbol of Catalonia, might be different

 

[Denis' cuff]

Magic money. It really grates too because it's not like they're City who need money constantly ploughed into them. They are a massive team, neck and neck with us and Barcelona but the sales and money that come with that moniker just isn't enough......it has gotta be that bit more.

you say "it's not like they're Citeh....." but it has always been the case that they have been propped up by Franco, local banks and local government. So we'll never know how big they would've been without that financial support. They are worse than City or Chelsea in that this external source of money has always been pouring in and they've never stood on their own two feet. That is why they're a big club - and that is a fact. We can't prove they wouldn't've been big without that support but we can safely assume they wouldn't be nearly as "big" as they are.

 

[Mick1991]

I should have clarified that I meant in their present forms respectively but yeah I'd agree with that, it's laziness and instead of having to balance the books like most other clubs they just run to the well of money.....I have zero time for them as a club.

 

[Cold_Boy]

My most hated team outside England by faaaaaaaarr!

 

[Varun]

I wish there was some way a club other than madrid and barca could win the la liga. hate both of them.

 

[Danny1982]

I hate Real Madrid.. I like Barcelona mainly because when Barcelona win Real Madrid fail. (Well Barcelona play great football now too). That's why in 2002-2004 I was a Valencia fan, but I do like Barcelona more than the other clubs..

I hate the way Real Madrid dominated football in Franco's era. I'm not boring you with those stories, but you got to feel for Barcelona back then.. If you think that spending zillions of pounds now to buy success is unfair, you should read what was happening in Spain back then.. (Heck Madrid does the unfair spending thing too!)..

And Madrid brag that they are the most successful club in Spain (and Europe) when they didn't earn that.. They only did it on the back of a dictator. So until they are knocked off their perch (which could be unlikely in my lifetime), I'll always hate them, cheer against them, and hope they fail.

I'm not asking anybody to hate them for those reasons, but that's why I hate them (mainly)..

 

[Raoul]

Depends who is playing and managing at Madrid at a given time. I wasn't fond of the Zizou, Fat Ron, Bobby Carlos era there, but find this current lot quite likable given Barca's dominance over them and the likelihood that Mourinho will unlock them this year.

 

[Wittmann45]

I wish there was some way a club other than madrid and barca could win the la liga. hate both of them.

We need the only manager in the last ten years to have broken the Barca-RM dominance!

KRAV?

 

[wr8_utd]

The love for Real Madrid here. I don't quite get it.

 

[Maciej]

Because they are Spanish Sunderland.

Or Sunderland are English Real Madrid.

 

[Varun]

Depends who is playing and managing at Madrid at a given time. I wasn't fond of the Zizou, Fat Ron, Bobby Carlos era there, but find this current lot quite likable given Barca's dominance over them and the likelihood that Mourinho will unlock them this year.

Thats interesting because am actually in the same boat. Even though i still hate madrid with fervor, it isnt even close to what it was few years ago. it has a lot to do with barca's dominance and all the media ******** surrounding them though rather than madrid as a club.

We need the only manager in the last ten years to have broken the Barca-RM dominance!

KRAV?

I want him at Barca tbh. that'd be an incredible combination.

 

[7even]

Everything's regarding love and hate goes in cycles. Many of us who remember Bayer Munich in the seventies hated (or dislike'd) them probably for the only reason they where good. In the eighties it where Juventus and Milan and then come the Galacticos. Today the evil is Barcelona.

The young one's jump on the bandwagon. It's cool to support the best. I have loved and hated many teams. For no reason except they beat United.

That's me!

 

[Denis' cuff]

Everything's regarding love and hate goes in cycles. Many of us who remember Bayer Munich in the seventies hated (or dislike'd) them probably for the only reason they where good. In the eighties it where Juventus and Milan and then come the Galacticos. Today the evil is Barcelona.

The young one's jump on the bandwagon. It's cool to support the best. I have loved and hated many teams. For no reason except they beat United.

That's me!

exackly what I was thinking, although more in terms of how the Italian clubs dominated. I still have difficulty accepting that they're not a huge threat....and it was all money. Whether Berlesconi/Milan or FIAT/Juve etc, the reason they dominated was that they could pay for the top players. Bayern were perhaps a bit different: typical German discipline and some exceptional players at the time but jeez, we got sick of German efficiency. A lot of cynicism in their play but Beckenbauer for me, was one of the best players I've ever seen - in his own way as good as Pele, Maradonna etc - this guy almost single-handedly controlled games.

Spanish clubs/players are just the current success story - and not before time really. The potential has long been there. They've long been labelled under-achievers, notwithstanding Madrid's bankrolled success. Even Barca have only recently started to realise what their fans would see as their due rewards and the national side even more so. Madrid are outside all of that though because they are gifted success by outside interests.

 

[Randall Flagg]

I'm a bit annoyed they play in such a crap league that they get to play outrageously unbalanced attacking formations and get away with it. So they get these inflated goal returns and so people think they're better than they are.

And of course in Spain they get all the light weight calls, not even the same game that's played in England.

Shit post

 

[jojojo]

I hate the way Real Madrid dominated football in Franco's era. I'm not boring you with those stories, but you got to feel for Barcelona back then.. If you think that spending zillions of pounds now to buy success is unfair, you should read what was happening in Spain back then.. (Heck Madrid does the unfair spending thing too!)..

Just out of curiosity - you do know that's not true don't you?

In the first 17 years of the Franco era, Real Madrid won a couple of Copa del Reys and that was it, despite being one of the strongest clubs prior to the Civil War. Barcelona and Atletico (the military club) were the main trophy winners of those early years.

If you take the whole Franco era, Barcelona won more Spanish trophies than Real Madrid.

The controversial and pivotal moment for the European winning Madrid comes in 53 with Di Stefano's transfer, where it's assumed that political pressure took him to Madrid instead of Barcelona.

 

[Danny1982]

Just out of curiosity - you do know that's not true don't you?

In the first 17 years of the Franco era, Real Madrid won a couple of Copa del Reys and that was it, despite being one of the strongest clubs prior to the Civil War. Barcelona and Atletico (the military club) were the main trophy winners of those early years.

If you take the whole Franco era, Barcelona won more Spanish trophies than Real Madrid.

The controversial and pivotal moment for the European winning Madrid comes in 53 with Di Stefano's transfer, where it's assumed that political pressure took him to Madrid instead of Barcelona.

I don't want to get into the history books but you sure have neglected a few facts there..

1- Real Madrid started to dominate in 1953 till a few years after Franco was gone (You wouldn't expect Franco's effect to die out immediately when he's gone, like you don't expect Man City now to suddenly go back to fighting for mid-table places if Sheikh Mansour is gone now!). They won 18 of their 31 league titles in this era (for Barcelona's 7)..

2- During these years Real Madrid was sent every year to compete in the European competitions even if they didn't win the league.. Spain sent only one team at the time..

3- It was not only political pressure, Di Stephano was not allowed to join Barcelona (which was his intention and the deal was even done) the year before he joined Real Madrid. He was only allowed to join Real Madrid, a year after..

4- When a player like Cruyff says (in the 1970s) that he chose Barça over Real Madrid because he could not play for a club associated with Franco, publicly in the media, that gives you an impression about how well-known that fact was at the time..

Franco wasn't a football fan, but he hated Barcelona (Catalunya), and because Barcelona loved football he used it whenever he can as a tool to punish them..

Anyway, like I said, I don't wanna get into the history books (not at all ), but there is enough in it for me to hate Real Madrid.

 

[7even]

I don't want to get into the history books but you sure have neglected a few facts there..

1- Real Madrid started to dominate in 1953 till a few years after Franco was gone (You wouldn't expect Franco's effect to die out immediately when he's gone, like you don't expect Man City now to suddenly go back to fighting for mid-table places if Sheikh Mansour is gone now!). They won 18 of their 31 league titles in this era (for Barcelona's 7)..

2- During these years Real Madrid was sent every year to compete in the European competitions even if they didn't win the league.. Spain sent only one team at the time..

3- It was not only political pressure, Di Stephano was not allowed to join Barcelona (which was his intention and the deal was even done) the year before he joined Real Madrid. He was only allowed to join Real Madrid, a year after..

4- When a player like Cruyff says (in the 1970s) that he chose Barça over Real Madrid because he could not play for a club associated with Franco, publicly in the media, that gives you an impression about how well-known that fact was at the time..

Franco wasn't a football fan, but he hated Barcelona (Catalunya), and because Barcelona loved football he used it whenever he can as a tool to punish them..

Anyway, like I said, I don't wanna get into the history books (not at all ), but there is enough in it for me to hate Real Madrid.

You just based your hate on historical reasons. Nice irony.

 

[evra]

I don't want to get into the history books but you sure have neglected a few facts there..

1- Real Madrid started to dominate in 1953 till a few years after Franco was gone (You wouldn't expect Franco's effect to die out immediately when he's gone, like you don't expect Man City now to suddenly go back to fighting for mid-table places if Sheikh Mansour is gone now!). They won 18 of their 31 league titles in this era (for Barcelona's 7)..

2- During these years Real Madrid was sent every year to compete in the European competitions even if they didn't win the league.. Spain sent only one team at the time..

3- It was not only political pressure, Di Stephano was not allowed to join Barcelona (which was his intention and the deal was even done) the year before he joined Real Madrid. He was only allowed to join Real Madrid, a year after..

4- When a player like Cruyff says (in the 1970s) that he chose Barça over Real Madrid because he could not play for a club associated with Franco, publicly in the media, that gives you an impression about how well-known that fact was at the time..

Franco wasn't a football fan, but he hated Barcelona (Catalunya), and because Barcelona loved football he used it whenever he can as a tool to punish them..

Anyway, like I said, I don't wanna get into the history books (not at all ), but there is enough in it for me to hate Real Madrid.

Good post, as SAF and CQ have said; their history is very much tainted by close association with a dictator. As far as I'm concerned all their success in that period is worthless, in the words of Clough: ""You can all throw your medals in the bin because they were not won fairly".

 

[Pogue Mahone]

As a Manchester United fan, you don't exactly need historical reasons to despise Real Madrid. General distaste for their state-funded galactico policies aside, how about their prolonged and calculated campaigns to un-settle/sign our most prolific strikers of the last decade?

There's no great mystery about why United fans might not like Real Madrid. The real mystery is why some of them seem to be actively backing them. Well, mystery's the wrong word - as the reason is obvious - but it's a bit odd...

 

[Snow]

you say "it's not like they're Citeh....." but it has always been the case that they have been propped up by Franco, local banks and local government. So we'll never know how big they would've been without that financial support. They are worse than City or Chelsea in that this external source of money has always been pouring in and they've never stood on their own two feet. That is why they're a big club - and that is a fact. We can't prove they wouldn't've been big without that support but we can safely assume they wouldn't be nearly as "big" as they are.

Interesting. Show me this fact.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

like you don't expect Man City now to suddenly go back to fighting for mid-table places if Sheikh Mansour is gone now!).

If the Sheik goes City wont go back to midtable....they will disappear totally.

 

[7even]

Good post, as SAF and CQ have said; their history is very much tainted by close association with a dictator. As far as I'm concerned all their success in that period is worthless, in the words of Clough: ""You can all throw your medals in the bin because they were not won fairly".

I'm sorry to disappoint you but then it will be many medals who are worthless, not only Madrids.

The rich and powerful will always rule, more or less.

Don't think for a second that teams like Barcelona are inoocent, they also benefit from the Catalan powerhouse. Banks, politicians and powerful company's are all part of the status of many successful clubs.

We all chose to who we trust and believe in.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Interesting. Show me this fact.

This article is a year old but I doubt City have passed them out yet.

Real Madrid are the top spenders in European and world football, having spent over €1,000 million in the last decade on transfer fees, as revealed by Marca today.

There is no other club on the planet that has come close to this figure, despite Roman Abramovich's best efforts at Chelsea and Manchester City's new found extravagence.

President Florentino Perez took over in 2000 and has been in the presidential throne at the club for all but three years in the last decade, when Ramon Calderon took over the role in 2006.

This season's reinforcements have tipped the total over the €1,000m mark with the signings of Sami Khedira, Sergio Canales, Pedro Leon and Angel Di Maria costing just over €50m.

Over the course of the decade los Blancos have spent huge sums of money on single transfers. Cristiano Ronaldo (€96m), Zinedine Zidane (€72m) and Kaka (€64m) are the three most expensive of a total of 48 signings. Last season two of those, Ronaldo and Kaka contributed to a whopping €254 million being spent in one year.

In comparison, Barcelona have spent €713m while Roman Abramovich spent €650m over the same period with Chelsea. However, Manchester City have begun a Madrid type spending spree over the last three years totalling €400m in the Premier League.

The fact they've spent over a billion quid on players during the last decade tells you all you need to know about the basis for their recent success.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I'm sorry to disappoint you but then it will be many medals who are worthless, not only Madrids.

The rich and powerful will always rule, more or less.

Don't think for a second that teams like Barcelona are inoocent, they also benefit from the Catalan powerhouse. Banks, politicians and powerful company's are all part of the status of many successful clubs.

We all chose to who we trust and believe in.

The "Catalan powerhouse"? What are you talking about?

 

[towcester_red]

People have a thing about Barcelona getting a pick of all the people in Catalan as some wierd biased for thier success.

 

[Snow]

This article is a year old but I doubt City have passed them out yet.



The fact they've spent over a billion quid on players during the last decade tells you all you need to know about the basis for their recent success.

Hasn't got much to with what I was asking. Not the "fact" he was talking about.

 

[Danny1982]

You just based your hate on historical reasons. Nice irony.

What irony?

 

[evra]

I'm sorry to disappoint you but then it will be many medals who are worthless, not only Madrids.

The rich and powerful will always rule, more or less.

Don't think for a second that teams like Barcelona are inoocent, they also benefit from the Catalan powerhouse. Banks, politicians and powerful company's are all part of the status of many successful clubs.

We all chose to who we trust and believe in.

"Catalan Powerhouse"?

 

[Gambit]

Wasn't that Madrid that sold property to the government of Madrid around their new training ground?

I would expect Madrid to possibly get help from the Madrid government, but Barcelona, as a symbol of Catalonia, might be different

Barca get just as favourable treatment from their local banks and councils too. They've sold land and even taken out massive loans when ever they struggled. They had to take a huge on out a couple of years ago just to pay the players wages. Madrid get the same and also Perez is a major construction maganate and can quite literally force banks to loan money to Madrid otherwise he'll take his business elsewhere.

What I don't like about Madrid is the way they seem impervious to tapping up allegations. When they want a player they use Marca to hound them. The tapping up of players during the galacticos years has been horrendous. I'm also always annoyed how when we target a player that player seems to always prefer to play forone of the Spanish 2. Barca for all their supposedly being the bestest best team ever that stands for all thats good in football do their business pretty much the same as Madrid now. Between them they have destroyed the competitiveness of their league with their shortsighted TV deals. Can spend money they don't have and rely on the bank and local governments to cover their costs.

But..
I still can't forget the help they (Real) offered us after Munich.

 

[7even]

As a Manchester United fan, you don't exactly need historical reasons to despise Real Madrid. General distaste for their state-funded galactico policies aside, how about their prolonged and calculated campaigns to un-settle/sign our most prolific strikers of the last decade?

There's no great mystery about why United fans might not like Real Madrid. The real mystery is why some of them seem to be actively backing them. Well, mystery's the wrong word - as the reason is obvious - but it's a bit odd...

Strange post!
Btw. FYI I don't like there methods either but they are not alone.

All big clubs unsettle players they are interested in. Just different ways but the goal is the same. If you dislike Madrid for their dishonest methods then you should on principle dislike other teams who do the same?

Why do we pretend Barcelona are saints and Madrid are evils? In my book same same but different.

 

[KM]

Barcelona are obviously much more likeable than Madrid. Even if we take away all this Franco and Ronaldo stuff, there is something very admirable about making a team with most of the players from their academy.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Strange post!
Btw. FYI I don't like there methods either but they are not alone.

All big clubs unsettle players they are interested in. Just different ways but the goal is the same. If you dislike Madrid for their dishonest methods then you should on principle dislike other teams who do the same?

Why do we pretend Barcelona are saints and Madrid are evils? In my book same same but different.

Strange? Strange how?

Not sure why you even mention Barca. When did they last mount a prolonged campaign to unsettle/sign one of Manchester United's players?

I'll tell you what's strange. It's when our own manager has always had such overt distaste for "that mob" while so many of you bend over backwards to find reasons to like them...

 

[7even]

The "Catalan powerhouse"? What are you talking about?

Sorry Pouge! Sitting in a crowded airport and waiting for my flight. Will try to respond to you later when I'm arrived. Catalonian is a independent region in Spain with lots of own power. The whole region is behind them and off course they benefit from this.

 

[wr8_utd]

As a Manchester United fan, you don't exactly need historical reasons to despise Real Madrid. General distaste for their state-funded galactico policies aside, how about their prolonged and calculated campaigns to un-settle/sign our most prolific strikers of the last decade?

There's no great mystery about why United fans might not like Real Madrid. The real mystery is why some of them seem to be actively backing them. Well, mystery's the wrong word - as the reason is obvious - but it's a bit odd...

Dear Ronaldo is at Madrid so I guess that's a good enough reason for loads to support Madrid. Absolutely bizarre.

 

[evra]

Sorry Pouge! Sitting in a crowded airport and waiting for my flight. Will try to respond to you later when I'm arrived. Catalonian is a independent region in Spain with lots of own power. The whole region is behind them and off course they benefit from this.

How do they benefit? How is that in any way comparable to Real Madrid under Franco?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Sorry Pouge! Sitting in a crowded airport and waiting for my flight. Will try to respond to you later when I'm arrived. Catalonian is a independent region in Spain with lots of own power. The whole region is behind them and off course they benefit from this.

They aren't the only Catalan team though. Besides, Catalonia is just a region within Spain. Madrid have the full weight of the Spanish government behind them. The two aren't comparable.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Strange? Strange how?

Not sure why you even mention Barca. When did they last mount a prolonged campaign to unsettle/sign one of Manchester United's players?

I'll tell you what's strange. It's when our own manager has always had such overt distaste for "that mob" while so many of you bend over backwards to find reasons to like them...

Fabregas = Ronaldo.

 

[7even]

They aren't the only Catalan team though. Besides, Catalonia is just a region within Spain. Madrid have the full weight of the Spanish government behind them. The two aren't comparable.

Well let's agree to disagree. I dislike both clubs methods. Yesterday I hated Madrid and today I throw up when I see Barca,s ugly color. Tomorrow I will hang myself when City win their first major medal. We all need someone to hate.. ;-)

 

[Danny1982]

Sorry Pouge! Sitting in a crowded airport and waiting for my flight. Will try to respond to you later when I'm arrived. Catalonian is a independent region in Spain with lots of own power. The whole region is behind them and off course they benefit from this.

Real Madrid weren't supported by Spain. They were supported by Franco.