Let's assume the FA gave him a 6 game ban then, what course of action from LFC in addition to that do you think would be reasonable?
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Let's assume the FA gave him a 6 game ban then, what course of action from LFC in addition to that do you think would be reasonable?
This all makes Terry's case far more interesting.
If he's already given a 6 match ban by the FA, then I don't expect Liverpool to add to that by banning him anymore after. I would like to think they'd put out a statement saying that they won't want this sort of behaviour from anybody at the club, and perhaps a fine of some sort.
I'm not saying it will definitely happen but for them to sweep it under the carpet as a mis-understanding would be a bit shit of them.
A weeks wages for the most.
I don't blame Dalglish or LFC for their stance - if Suarez has told them he's said naff all, then they have to back their player. If the FA have charged Suarez but have no actual evidence of his alleged racist remarks then their case is dead in the water.
If Suarez is found guilty, I reckon he'll get 8 games , 3 to carry out and 5 suspended.
However, I expect he'll be found innocent.
If Suarez is found guilty, I reckon he'll get 8 games , 3 to carry out and 5 suspended.
However, I expect he'll be found innocent.
Well, Suarez has admitted to what he said, I suspect he's not lying there, otherwise why not just deny it all?
I think the question will be if the FA uphold that variant of the n-word as counting as a violation, there could be a loophole.
The FA is so full of Liverpool fans, hard to imagine they would pass up the chance to let him off on a technicality.
The problem with that is, when the system fails, people look for their own justice, we might get fights on the field or in the stands.
I think the question will be if the FA uphold that variant of the n-word as counting as a violation, there could be a loophole.
The FA is so full of Liverpool fans, hard to imagine they would pass up the chance to let him off on a technicality.
The problem with that is, when the system fails, people look for their own justice, we might get fights on the field or in the stands.
This makes you sound as bad as the Liverpool fans saying we are corrupt etc...
Excuse me, I'm quite jaded. Richard Sandusky's friend the judge just let him out on no bail, and he's accused of a felony.
Someone above seemed to be suggesting, citing a few instances, that the FA has never charged anyone over racism.
I won't argue about the FA being Liverpool biased, it looks that way to me, and did before I became emotionally attached to United to be looking through red tinted glasses.
Someone above seemed to be suggesting, citing a few instances, that the FA has never charged anyone over racism.
I won't argue about the FA being Liverpool biased, it looks that way to me, and did before I became emotionally attached to United to be looking through red tinted glasses.
playing devils advocate for a moment,is too much being made of this?
isn´t something like this just gamesmanship? i´m sure rooney got stick from oppposition players for his infedelities,same as i´m sure giggs does for his or any player thats done something distasteful in the eyes of others and then can be wound up to hopefully be put off his game?
before ya´ll go ape here,this isn´t my view but is there a case for this purely being gamesmanship albeit a very unpleasant kind.
isn´t something like this just gamesmanship? i´m sure rooney got stick from oppposition players for his infedelities,same as i´m sure giggs does for his or any player thats done something distasteful in the eyes of others and then can be wound up to hopefully be put off his game?
before ya´ll go ape here,this isn´t my view but is there a case for this purely being gamesmanship albeit a very unpleasant kind.
Terry will get off. Even more of a PR disaster for the FA otherwise.
Other way round for me. If Suarez was charged with much less conclusive evidence it would be a PR disaster if Terry wasn't.
I think there's a big difference between using racist language to wind someone up, and being a racist that is always using racist language.
If Suarez was a card carrying member of the KKK who spews racism because it's fundamental to his dogma, I'd say ban him for life.
If he's a douche bag who probably didn't properly appreciate the gravity of his actions, a long ban to set a precedent, community service, apology and, uh, handshake should do it.
The key difference is that those things are things that the players have done, or decisions they've made. Any of that, or any generic insults, is fair game.
Basing it on race is a completely different scenario.
think a lot of this is linked to the Terry case myself, mainly becuase there's no real precedent for them to work on with that
The evidence against Terry seems far more damning imo and the FA have no choice but to punish him however by also taking a case to suarez, a seemingly less clear cut one, they have an oportunity to set themselves a lenient punishment they can then carry over to englands brave lion
i expect a suspended sentance, token fine and warning about future conduct to suarez and similar to terry though he may have to serve his games and personally apologise to the queen or something
The evidence against Terry seems far more damning imo and the FA have no choice but to punish him however by also taking a case to suarez, a seemingly less clear cut one, they have an oportunity to set themselves a lenient punishment they can then carry over to englands brave lion
i expect a suspended sentance, token fine and warning about future conduct to suarez and similar to terry though he may have to serve his games and personally apologise to the queen or something
Really true
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feck sake....
feck sake....
the fact the FA has charged him means they are serious about this and Suarez and LFC should be worried.
The FA wont want to look weak now.
But LFC can redeem themselves by also taking their own action should this come down against them as expected.
The FA wont want to look weak now.
But LFC can redeem themselves by also taking their own action should this come down against them as expected.
Surely there is no difference?
Of course there is.
One of us had to be the usual controversial one
It's all over, folks. RAWK has found a chocolate bar which proves that Suarez is innocent:
That's exactly how I see this panning out, they've invested too much in their defence of him to take up the opposite stance now.
I should probably point out that my quotes from yesterday were from two Liverpool fans that I know and not from RAWK.
it´s not about being controversial,it´s about asking how far is too far,sledging in cricket is a good example,they say some awful things but it´s mostly taken with good humour. now for me and most people,racial insults are too far i was just trying to find out at what point is the line crossed,nothing more sinister than that.
If sledging can be taken in good humor, it's really not a good example.As soon as a racist insult is thrown, the line has been crossed.It is that simple
What the French cnut above says (just kidding)
There's no need for anyone to use racial slurs. It's fecking madness and Suarez knew EXACTLY what he was saying/trying to do.
There's no need for anyone to use racial slurs. It's fecking madness and Suarez knew EXACTLY what he was saying/trying to do.
fecking vulture (all in good spirit of course 
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)I like fecking to be fair. So thanks
it isn´t though for some people,to some it´s all about the winning and if any insult puts off the other person then they might just see it as "job done"
spitting,diving,intentional bad tackles are all ways that footballers show themselves to really quite horrible people,for the most part its all heat of the moment and reactionary but for some it is a win at all costs attitude that can sometimes manifest itself the the most disgusting of ways.
or........suarez is just a racist cnut.
racism IS crossing the line. It's 2011 ffs.
After some thoughts, I don't even wanna know whether Suarez is a convinced long term racist or an asshole who just abused another player just to get a psychological impact or to just wind him up.
It is impossible to expect players to be perfect angels on the pitch while all the intensity and pressure involved.They just have to be punished whenever they cross the lines you mentioned ( spitting,diving,intentional bad tackles and also racism).
This is why I laughed at the players who use the excuse that they have mates of the same race they were accused of insulting (note that I'm not just talking about the blacks being abused).A single insult in the heat of the moment should never be excused cause that open the doors for so many shit to be said
of course it is,no-one is denying that,i´m just trying to look at this from all sides as i find it difficult to imagine working and probably socializing with people from all colours and creeds as most footballers do every day and still being an out and out racist,maybe its just because its so abhorrant that i cant really believe that someone in his position could do it for any other reason than having a win at all costs attitude.
Agree with this. But the charges is not about Suarez being a racist or not, it is about using a racist term. The use of racist terms on the field should be punished even if they are only used to wind up and dont reflect the personal views of the violator.
I think there are very few genuine racists playing football in the Premier league, probably a lot more in the stands.
aye,i agree with all that.
Not really, actually. Suarez has (probably) admitted to using those words. Terry hasn't. That makes it easier to prosecute Suarez, even if the Terry case seems a lot more obvious. Had Suarez gone with "I didn't say anything like that", he'd probably have gotten off, so it seems like Liverpool and Suarez have been terribly imprudent here.
There's absolutely no point for using a racial slur in terms of gaining an advantage. Is there any circumstance, especially in sport where we should tolerate such behavior? I think not. Suarez knows better. You dont have to resort to something like that to wind up your opponent. If anything, Luis should have consulted Ballack on how he should wind up Evra because those two definitely had their tussles. Yet I dont think it ever got personal.
There's just no reason to do it. Playing devil's advocate in a situation like this makes no sense. You actually accomplish nothing
There's just no reason to do it. Playing devil's advocate in a situation like this makes no sense. You actually accomplish nothing
Like someone said before, it's about using racist terms. No excuses for that one. Does that qualify someone to be a racist? It's kind of hard to say no but I guess you could not be a racist yet use a racial slur in the heat of the moment? (it's weird even saying that)
I dont know. From my point of view, it's interesting because black people say both n***** and cracker (racial slur for white people) but in more private settings and it's never considered racist.
I guess therein lies the difference. The tolerance towards racism is cut and dry but I still feel we as a people still struggle in drawing the line in some situations.