wonder why the club have been quiet on this, the media are spreading their bullshit non-stop.
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wonder why the club have been quiet on this, the media are spreading their bullshit non-stop.
'throwing carrick out and play pogba somewhere during last season'.... yeah did i word it like that....
I wanted Carrick to step up because of a lack of quality in midfield and because he's our experienced midfielder. He was not playing well. He wasn't strong I did not say chuck Pogba in last season. What I said as an example with Pogba, I believe him..Morrison..and maybe one or two others will come good because I think they have the mentality on top of talent. When they're on the pitch. You making this post is meant to be what? Did fletcher impress you in his first 50 games let alone 70 minutes...But you give the kids a chance now and then and very often they impress. If you are judging a kids level based on 2/3 games...some tough games, certainly when others have not performed, then that's your problem.
Sir Alex, pointed out the kids were let down by the experienced players. Pogba, Morrison are not the finished article but they do have talent, they are already United players and they have a real chance. Here's a thought, find this season where i've said to drop Michael Carrick. How about that? Actually this season, especially recently i've said ok Carrick with Cleverly and Anderson/fletcher or a Morrison/Pogba etc....not that i get to chose but i've acknowledged he's done better. It's worse when people don't acknowledge a player is playing shite and accept it.
No he can't - that is one player we simply can not lose. He is special - and if we pay him £15k or £30k - it don't matter. The majority of our young players make £40-50k when they get renews contracts - and true, he hasn't got that far yet, but he will have within 2 seasons.
Give him what he wants (within reason - anything up to £40-50k - still worth it)
Elaborate on this please.
Offering him whatever he wants won't send a good message to the rest of the kids. IMO 15k is a good deal for a reserve who is still breaking into the team, if he doesn't want to accept it then good riddance.
I'm getting irritated by the weekly Pogba's contact issues, ofcourse it might be bollocks, but there's no doubt that his agent is clamoring for a better contract and is doing cheap ways of getting it.
Thank feck you're not in charge of anything at a football club. "Special player? Just write a number on this dotted line and we'll pay you that.". If you pay Pogba what he wants then Morrison will probably want something very close to it. Then some other youngsters will want more as well, because they get so little compared to Pogba. Then you'll have first team players wanting more. I don't think you realise what it means giving a big contract to a player who hasn't really done anything yet.
It doesn't matter where he'll be in two years. United are usually very good at rewarding players breaking through (such as Hernandez who got a new contract after his first season), so there's no point paying him way over the top just "because he's special". If the reported £45k per week is true he can honestly feck off to City, or whoever will pay that sort of wages for an unproven youngster. He's a special talent and I'd love to see him make it at United, but if he truly believes he's worth £45k per week now I don't want to wait and see what his request is if he actually becomes a first team player.
I don't really believe all this talk about his contract anyway. Just paper talk and since Pogba is a highly rated United youngster it's fun to write stories saying that he might move to City. His agent probably has a lot to do with it as well.
I'm not reading too much into what these papers are saying. Pogba is supposed to be a sound guy and the fact that we bring him on in the CC tells me that the situation probably isn't as bad as made out.
Good point. Plus, when have Utd ever made details of contract negotiations public? It'll be discussed when the time's right
Yeah right. I'd pull up those posts if I could be bothered. But you were of the opinion that we should rather throw Pogba in the deep end rather than play Carrick.
Now, I understand that hindsight can be wonderful. But that was just full of crap.
I really hope he goes if this report is true. No place for players like him at this club, he can go to City, feck him.
So what ? We have a few special talents at this club - and we can't afford to let them go. Paying 2 of the most talented players in the country £40k really isnt that much.
And if someone else come knocking at the door demanding as much - well why shouldn't there be a difference ? Pogba and Morrison are more talented than the other players at the club - and clubs will line up to take them if we don't keep them.
According to Nick Coppack there was an interview with Pogba and MUTV where he stated his desire to make it at United. I am confident he'll sign a new contract.
I wouldn't get too carried away and let this affect your opinion on the lad. This could quite easily be bullshit and is likely to have been blown out of proportion at least. They're saying that we might lose Morrison too, but I'm sure it turned out that he was actually under contract until 2014.
Paying Pogba £40k a week is an insane idea when you consider how far off the first team football he is. He might not even make 10 first team appearances by the time his new contract runs out as I'd expect it to be three years long. We'd be spending £2m a year on a player that doesn't play.
If he's worth £40k a week then what would we pay to new signings?
Really? Are you trying to tell me we have sunk so low as a club we can be held to ransom by a kid who has so far achieved and proven nothing.........not a chance.
I really hope you dont run your own business.
His head has probably been turned, one of the best young players in Europe, It's safe to say his heads been turned.
Players get paid too much as it is. You can't just start forking out 40k a week for unproven youngsters - that's twice as much in a week as the average person earns in a year.
People were rightfully laughing when Gibson didn't move because he wanted £40k a week, but at least he has a couple of seasons' experience at the top level. Pogba's done feck all as of yet and he's in for a massive surprise if he expects to earn that much when he signs his next contract.
I don't know where this 40k a week thing comes from. I doubt the Da Silva's or even Jonny Evans are on anything like that and I very much doubt Wenger would be prepared to pay anything like that either. City, of course, are quite another matter.
Perhaps someone knows what our players are paid these days.
Perhaps someone knows what our players are paid these days.
Kids should be honoured to be offered a contract by clubs of United's stature. Finances should never enter a mind at his age. Money will follow once he realises his potential.
Very likely he is being advised badly.
Very likely he is being advised badly.
He's obviously not. If we really talk about exceptional players, they are usually in the first team at 18 and already playing pretty well. He is still far away. On the other hand, I still doubt all those articles in the paper, they usually write bollocks and dont know much more than we do
Hasn't looked it from his two first team appearances, for sure.
Paying a totally unproven player £40k a week would be inane, before you even consider the knock on effect to squad players. We have no idea whether Morrison/Pogba will be good first team players yet, let alone great players.
In terms of "one of the best young players in Europe", how the hell do you know that? He has played a part in two football games. At his age the likes of Pato, Wilshere, Ballotelli, Ronaldo, Anderson, Gotze, Bojan* were all getting first team appearances quite regularly at top teams. He is years behind these players, which isn't at all a slight on his talent, as different people develop at different speeds, but to say he's one of the best in Europe is delusional.
*Look where he is at the moment
In terms of "one of the best young players in Europe", how the hell do you know that? He has played a part in two football games. At his age the likes of Pato, Wilshere, Ballotelli, Ronaldo, Anderson, Gotze, Bojan* were all getting first team appearances quite regularly at top teams. He is years behind these players, which isn't at all a slight on his talent, as different people develop at different speeds, but to say he's one of the best in Europe is delusional.
*Look where he is at the moment
I guess it is a bit more difficult for mid-fielders, because the only ones that readily come to mind are Fabregas, Wilshire, Gotze (recently).
However, if you want to look at appearances as an indicator, then even at United we have had Welbeck who had 13 appearances in his first season as 17-18 yr old (and some still doubt if he will eventually make it with us).
So yeah Pogba looks pretty but one of the top young players in Europe is going over-the-top. And even if he is, it is no guarantee that he will be tearing up the league in 4 years time (for example, Anderson could have had a genuine claim to be one of top talents in the world 4 years ago, and he hasn't actually gone on to fulfill that potential yet).
So, it doesn't seem right for a player of that age to be making wage demands. But we are all speculating anyways, and he was played just last week despite the speculation in the media, so there may not be all that much to the story
It was a figure plucked out of the air by lysglimt.
The only figure actually mentioned as a possible contract on offer was the the 15k/week he allegedly turned down.
Although even this figure seems to be on the basis of some random twitter post, so shouldn't be trusted.
Give Pogba 40-50k a week?! 
The game against Palace should be a nice reality check for Pogba. He's far from ready, even for championship level football and a wage of 15k a week is ridiculous imo, let alone 40k.
If I were SAF and Pogba and his agent came to me demanding 40k+ I'd kick them out of the club there and then.
If I were SAF and Pogba and his agent came to me demanding 40k+ I'd kick them out of the club there and then.
Its absolutely ridiculous that 18yr olds can have their head turned because of the money if this is true tbh. It just goes to prove what the priorities have become. an 18yr old should think about being at the club that'd be the best for his career, we're among the best when it comes to that. Why he'd want to leave is anybody's guess.
Poor people advising him is a handy excuse but surely a ridiculous one if its club likes City and Arsenal that are potential suitors. midfields he'd never get into. Surely pogba is smart enough to figure that out himself?
Poor people advising him is a handy excuse but surely a ridiculous one if its club likes City and Arsenal that are potential suitors. midfields he'd never get into. Surely pogba is smart enough to figure that out himself?
I expect every promising young footballer is told the same thing by their agents: "You're a brilliant player, you'll play no matter where you go". Add that to their innate self-confidence and it's not hard to see how they end up making the decisions that they do.
Anyone think Rooney's agent Stretford has set a precedent?
The Premier League paid circa £75m in agent fees last year - thats a huge amount that encourages this bad behaviour by agents.
The Premier League paid circa £75m in agent fees last year - thats a huge amount that encourages this bad behaviour by agents.
15K a week is still too much for an 18 year old with 2 underwhelming first team appearances.
At that age he should be happy to get 5K. Heck even then that's a lot of money but atleast he has potential.
Yes, the agent would say that. Its what they do, their job. But surely you'd need to have an IQ < 10 to actually believe your agent when he says that you'd have a better chance of making the city midfield or even arsenal's than us?
Refusing a 15k wage deal at 18 is ridiculous if true. Reports of him wanting 40k are surely untrue though, i dont think anybody could be that thick to think pogba deserves that, not even him or his agent.
Agents are sometimes to blame, for sure, but not always. I know of one young player on the books at a top PL team who was advised by his agent to take a move to play in Scotland to raise his profile but the kid thought he was too good for that and refused anything other than PL or Championship. Needless to say he's been offered neither and has been plying his trade on various loans, his contact is nearing its end and doesn't look like being replaced.
At the end of the day, some of these young lads just they are far better than they really are.
At the end of the day, some of these young lads just they are far better than they really are.
Pogba, like most young players, probably believes he's ready to play every week for a top team. He is, I'm sure, utterly convinced that it's an injustice that he doesn't play every week. He'd feel just the same if he went to City. He probably has a few dozen people around him telling him how much better than this player and that player and how if he is going to be a reserve, why not do it on £20k p/w instead of whatever he's on now.
I get where you're coming from. But, i'd expect players to be smarter than that. Specially so when he's hardly set the world on fire when given the chance. And that was against teams like palace.
He's 18 and has his entire career ahead of him. Poor priorities is what it is. He'd rather take a fatter pay cheque than develop himself as a player under the best manager in the world.
With regard to the first paragraph, I'm not sure you're right. It is going to be easier to give a youngster playing time in a three man central midield rather than a two. I think he'd definitely get chances at Arsenal and perhaps City too.
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