What bullshit. Easy on the exaggeration. In that game alone there were at least 7 players worse than him.
You always use youtube as some sort of proof. Look up videos of Lindegaard saves with United. He hasn't made 1
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What bullshit. Easy on the exaggeration. In that game alone there were at least 7 players worse than him.
You always use youtube as some sort of proof. Look up videos of Lindegaard saves with United. He hasn't made 1
Those in italics are not won by Barcelona!! Arsenal contributed a lot of French players when they won the WC & Euro, did they win those?
2, 4, 6 have all been done by plenty of other sides before. Real in the late 90s- early 00s, Milan in the late 80s, some have won multiple CL/ECs to go with multiple titles.
No one is denying they are a great side and ONE of the best teams ever, but to outright call them the best ever, it's just stupid.
First, Barcelona didn't only contribute a lot of players. The core of the Spanish team AND the system they play was created and developed in Barcelona. The players didn't only "play" for Barcelona, they were Barcelona's products, playing Barcelona's system, and achieving the same success on another stage.
I'll give you the EURO trophy, even though Xavi and Iniesta played a crucial part in it, but the world cup trophy was purely Barcelona's, despite missing the best player in the world.
Second, if you read my post well I said:
Even though I personally believe they are the best, but I said "probably" out of respect for the people who might disagree. Next time read what others have to say carefully before calling them stupid. I'll just leave it at that.
What bullshit. Easy on the exaggeration. In that game alone there were at least 7 players worse than him.
You always use youtube as some sort of proof. Look up videos of Lindegaard saves with United. He hasn't made 1
Hmm I've thought it is a universal opinion.
Don't really need YouTube on this one tbh.
He's not the same player he was the first seasons with us than he is at Madrid. He doesn't look for a dive. He gets kicked around a lot. He's no different from Messi.
Puyol, Alves, Busquest, Iniesta, Sanchez, Villa, Valdez, Marcelo, Ramos, Pepe, Coentrao, Di Maria, Higuain, Alonso. All of them go down easier than Ronaldo does most of the times.
Him, along with Messi, Xavi and Iniesta, are players that are purposely fouled just because. Iniesta seeks it out more than the other three but it's hard to call them three diving cnuts, nevermind one of the biggest cheater in world!!! Silly exaggerations like that take all credibility out from a post.
Puyol, Alves, Busquest, Iniesta, Sanchez, Villa, Valdez, Marcelo, Ramos, Pepe, Coentrao, Di Maria, Higuain, Alonso. All of them go down easier than Ronaldo does most of the times.
Him, along with Messi, Xavi and Iniesta, are players that are purposely fouled just because. Iniesta seeks it out more than the other three but it's hard to call them three diving cnuts, nevermind one of the biggest cheater in world!!! Silly exaggerations like that take all credibility out from a post.
Why do you and others continue to ignore all the perfectly reasonable explanations from people as to why they comment that Barca are a bunch of cheats?
There's feck loads of comments on here about what a cheating, diving cnut Suarez is, does that make everyone that says it bitter about him and Liverpool? Does it hell. Just because Barca are also a fantastic team doesn't make everyone who points out they cheat a lot 'bitter'.
This constant throwing around of the term is almost as childish and petty as that horrific word 'fanboy' (shudder).
When was the last time he tried to continue his run after being kicked??
Out of curiosity, do you watch Ronaldo play now? He is now worse than his last two years with us. In fact, I rarely see him lose possession while still on his feet these days..
I still can't believe you are comparing Ronaldo to Messi when it comes to diving and staying on their feet.. Talking about being silly and lacking credibility...
I think there's a bit of delusion in that post snow. When it comes to diving he's in a whole other league to Messi who's known for riding challenges even in the penalty box. The number 10 does it once in a blue moon, so it stands out, a bit like Wayne Rooney. Ron still goes down at the slightest touch, it was visible at the weekend.
This is despite being built like a tank.
This is despite being built like a tank.
Well said that mate. I guess we're all bitter and jealous of Liverpool's recent success.
To the idiots out there, yes Barcelona is a fantastic team and out of the world but that doesn't mean that a person can't say that they're cheating team. And just for the good measure, Madrid is a team full of divers too. Both are highly despicable teams when it comes to play acting.
Agreed.
Love the way you disregard people with a differing opinion to yourself.
He wasn't referring to people with a different opinion, he was referring to people who continually ignore people's posts and just label everyone who disagree with them as bitter.
Good.
That is correct. Some people here have just waded into this, not bothered to read the whole of it, label people here as bitter and jealous and then wade out of the whole argument.
Firstly, you're completely ignoring the part that Casillas & co played. If Casillas hadn't won the penalty shootout against Italy in the Euro QF, history might be completely changed.
To claim that Barcelona won the World Cup is just a ridiculous idea. Did Chicago Bulls win the Olympics for the US?
As for that stupid part, it wasn't directed at you, I can't be bothered to go look for the quote, but someone in this thread somewhere did say they are "the best team in the world ever".
I said best in my life time. Why is that such a stupid statement.
Would it be better if I said one of the best teams?
When was the last time he tried to continue his run after being kicked??
Out of curiosity, do you watch Ronaldo play now? He is now worse than his last two years with us. In fact, I rarely see him lose possession while still on his feet these days..
I still can't believe you are comparing Ronaldo to Messi when it comes to diving and staying on their feet.. Talking about being silly and lacking credibility...
Messi is more about quick turns and short sprints. Ronaldo is more sprinting down the flank or sprinting inside from the flank directly. Doesn't turn much and relies more on his speed and strength than Messi. Therefor he often goes down whilst sprinting because it's harder to keep balance. His first thought isn't to get a free kick and he doesn't dive without being touched.
It's nothing like Di Maria or that sort.
I don't find it being harsh comparing it to Messi. Ronaldo was a big big diver but he cut it out a lot. Don't remember a single dive from him his first season with Madrid. Messi is a whole other person this season than before. He's moody and more aggressive. Therefor I find them two very much comparable because of this sudden attitude change.
I'm not talking going down without a contact. Haven't seen that from Messi.
I'm also not talking career wise here. I'm talking about the now. Since this summer I haven't seen Messi play one game in a challenging game where he doesn't look annoyed and grumpy. Only Dani Alves has committed more fouls and he's already on three yellow cards (should have gotten twice as many and a red). He's been talking back to ref, kicking the ball away, fouling people from behind. It's like reverse maturity.
I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that in way, it's just unlike him. Been like this since Copa America. He was really annoyed there and was acting like a cnutish Fabregas.
He still is man, and he was at it at the weekend.
I can't be fecked to watch the rest of the vid, but 19 seconds in he's at it
There's a lot more where that came from this season, you'd have to be blind to think he's cut it out, it's integral to his game.
Tbf he is fouled there. You know it's a foul when a Spaniard doesn't protest.
I can't be arsed to watch it either. He had a crap game so the video is crap as well.
I also don't believe I said he cut it out of his game. I said he doesn't go down as easily as most and he doesn't go down without getting slightly fouled or touched. I said he's cut it a lot our from his game. Not completely. I don't believe that of any footballer. Every footballer is capable of going down easy but he at least doesn't do a Suarez or Busquets and goes down without there being no touch or foul what so ever.
Is it just the best or worst, all or nothing with you? I don't believe you've heard at all what I was saying and you're mostly upset because Messi is human and I pointed that out. Some people take it real seriously when you point out that Messi isn't perfect or that Ronaldo isn't completely unlikable.
I can't be arsed to watch it either. He had a crap game so the video is crap as well.
I also don't believe I said he cut it out of his game. I said he doesn't go down as easily as most and he doesn't go down without getting slightly fouled or touched. I said he's cut it a lot our from his game. Not completely. I don't believe that of any footballer. Every footballer is capable of going down easy but he at least doesn't do a Suarez or Busquets and goes down without there being no touch or foul what so ever.
Is it just the best or worst, all or nothing with you? I don't believe you've heard at all what I was saying and you're mostly upset because Messi is human and I pointed that out. Some people take it real seriously when you point out that Messi isn't perfect or that Ronaldo isn't completely unlikable.
Probably the best post of this thread, bravo sir! This thread just sums up what is wrong with people in general, despite being thankful for what they have they are bitter for others having it better than them.
Oh look, another one who can't read.
The original one was better.
It's really strange to see such good posters turn into spastics when the topic is either Messi or Ronaldo to be honest. Is it so hard just to admit that both Messi and Ronaldo tends to dive when it suits them? None of them are the worst in their league, though Ronaldo used to be alot worse then he currently is. Both are great players, both have different attributes that sets them apart and people might have different opinions about who's the better player. This post is a great example:
This is where the answer is to the extreme to prove a point. We all know that both Messi and Ronaldo have 'riding challenges even in the penalty box' when they know they can get a goal, whilst other times they dive. It's not a 'either or'-situation. Sometimes Ronaldo goes down at the slightest touch, but so does Messi. Why the need to look foolish when arguing a case? It just looks outright stupid to some. Just like the midfield issue in our team. Some posters talks sense, and is able to see the problem/solution from both sides, whilst most posters are either in the 'our midfield is totally rubbish' camp, or in the 'we got one of the best midfields in the world' camp.
Sorry for the rant, but my biggest issue with some people is the fact that they have to look at the extreme sides of things when a middle way is the better way to go.
Boss said:
This is where the answer is to the extreme to prove a point. We all know that both Messi and Ronaldo have 'riding challenges even in the penalty box' when they know they can get a goal, whilst other times they dive. It's not a 'either or'-situation. Sometimes Ronaldo goes down at the slightest touch, but so does Messi. Why the need to look foolish when arguing a case? It just looks outright stupid to some. Just like the midfield issue in our team. Some posters talks sense, and is able to see the problem/solution from both sides, whilst most posters are either in the 'our midfield is totally rubbish' camp, or in the 'we got one of the best midfields in the world' camp.
Sorry for the rant, but my biggest issue with some people is the fact that they have to look at the extreme sides of things when a middle way is the better way to go.
It really is, one is a much bigger diver than the other, it shouldn't be up for debate tbh. This is well known to most footy fans.
Ronaldo riding challenges in the box is rare indeed, he usually buckles as soon as he feels contact
Why admit to something that isn't true
all this talk of stupidity..
Come on. We both know that they both dive when it suits them, and they both stay on their feet even if they suffer a bad challenge at times. Both are guilty of cheating the ref, and both are able to do some great stuff on the pitch. Why even try to state that one are worse then the other at diving, when the fact is that both do it on a regular basis? If anything, Messi might seem to dive less due to the fact that so many of the Barca-players are doing it aswell, while Ronaldo might seem to be one of the main offenders at Real Madrid due to less players trying to cheat the ref ?(they have divers aswell, but not the same amount of play actors as Barca)
Come on. We both know that they both dive when it suits them, and they both stay on their feet even if they suffer a bad challenge at times. Both are guilty of cheating the ref, and both are able to do some great stuff on the pitch. Why even try to state that one are worse then the other at diving, when the fact is that both do it on a regular basis? If anything, Messi might seem to dive less due to the fact that so many of the Barca-players are doing it aswell, while Ronaldo might seem to be one of the main offenders at Real Madrid due to less players trying to cheat the ref ?(they have divers aswell, but not the same amount of play actors as Barca)
How is this a fact? One does it on a regular basis and he wears the number 7, that is fact. Messi seems to dive less, because that's what exactly what he does....dive less.
kin bizarre stuff you're coming out with.
Right, I think I know what I'm getting myself into. I'm out
Now you're trying to sugar coat it, it's a dive plain and simple. He's a tank going down like that....and he does it all season, so it's bizarre you claim you haven't seen him dive this season then again I understand why.
Suarez basically is to Liverpool what Ronaldo was for us, let's be real.
Burrow vs Boss.
Get in.
Get in.
This last line shows me that you are incapable to debate this subject with a neutral view. That's OK. We all have our weak spots.
In terms of diving of course! I'm more objective than y'all! Haha I mean he's no longer at United so it's easy to reflect on these things. The same hate we feel for Suarez' diving antics is the same annoyance most of the country felt for Ronnie's.
So you're telling me Suarez is a bigger diver than Ronnie ever was?
Again, you didn't read correctly. I said his first season with Real. Not this season. I have see him diving this season. Fact his, guy comes at him hard from behind. Goes at his foot. He loses his prime balance and goes down easy. He could have stayed up but he probably wouldn't have gotten the free kick. You don't get free kicks anymore unless you go down. That's thanks to years and years of diving from players around the world.
Ronaldo was really bad his first season. True. Perhaps the 2nd season as well. But he was 18 years old. Not a 3rd placed medalist at the WC and former Ajax captain who bites people.
I thought you made good points. Nothing wrong with what you said. It was never about either or for me or that this guy dives and this guy doesn't. I even said as much but I've been misquoted every time I try to make a point.
Hardly surprising though. Boss is a huge Messi fan and defends him to death (even though I wasn't slating him at all). Fair enough. And Danny jumps in and defends Barcelona a lot. Either it's because he's a fan (I genuinely thought he was a Barcelona fan until recently and not a Man Utd fan) or perhaps because he likes to take up the glove for the one getting slated a lot or perhaps he feels people speak wrongly. Perhaps it's little of each.
Fact of the matter is that Ronaldo has hugely cut out his unsportsmanship conduct out of his game since his early seasons with us and he's not one of the biggest cheats in football. That and Messi isn't perfect is all I've been saying.
Yes!?
Is this little sub discussion dabatable? What have I missed? Btw Boss. Suarez? You can't be serious. I must say I admirer your stubbornness. feck man that was an odd choice to come out clear.
The one thing I dislike about this thread is that if anyone defends Barca then they're automatically seen as Madrid fans, and the same vice versa.
I hate both clubs. I think that there's far too much about both clubs to dislike for me to ever be in a position to like either one. Both clubs are packed full of cretins of the highest order, and while they admittedly play great football (which I do watch every week I can), that doesn't make them any more likeable in my opinion.
I hate both clubs. I think that there's far too much about both clubs to dislike for me to ever be in a position to like either one. Both clubs are packed full of cretins of the highest order, and while they admittedly play great football (which I do watch every week I can), that doesn't make them any more likeable in my opinion.
Haven't read any more than what was on this page but I will say is that Ronaldo appears to look for the foul ... he doesn't have the ability to beat players with 'skill' but instead knocks it on and runs ... on many occasions he simply runs into the defender and tumbles. Frankly I think he's a bit pish.
Ronaldo a bit pish? I've heard it all now
Because you just can't prove that. How can you be sure that legendary Milan defense with Baresi and Maldini wouldn't handle Messi and co?
It would be much better if you said "one of", because their record proves that...
Indeed (not the pish part, he's a sensational player)if he could beat more players directly he wouldn't need to tumble when they come near him. For example, here he tries to round the keeper, kicks the ball too far and then decides to stack.
Diving is integral to his game, always has been, always will be.
I think burrow made some horrible points. He just tried to ram it down ones throat, no homo, that they both dive as much as each other. That one must accept his version of events or you're foolish/spastic etc. For me that's bullshit by some distance having watched these players their whole careers. I know who dives more. 90% of football fans do. I'm well capable of drawing my own conclusions without his bizarre rants.
Being a Messi dickrider really has nothing to do with me thinking Ronaldo is one of the biggest divers of all time. I'm not sure what rock you've been under but most fans think this. I know that shit is painful to swallow, no homo but it's how it is. It's pretty much a universal opinion. If not the one of the biggest he's certainly the most high profile diver of all time.
When you think Ronaldo, you think of many key words. Tall, strong, scoring machine, handsome, great header, free kicks and diving.... It's key to his game, at times it can be an asset for any team.
Go on to any forum, any random one pick one. Try a wigan one for example, do a poll on whether Ronaldo is one of the biggest divers ever, the results will be very conclusive.
Even Iniesta, a massive diver at the time was telling Ronaldo in the first real camp nou clasico not to accuse him of diving seeing that Ronnie's got the biggest reputation for it.
'Yeah I'm a massive diver but son.....you're cristi-fecking Ronaldo!....so shhh yeah, or I'll go upside your head with my polka dot manbag after the game'
Word.....?
Anyways going down easily is a dive, especially when you're built like a tank. Maybe this is why you're not seeing what many others do.
Anyway this convo is stupid, it's just me pointing out the obvious repeatedly.
My original point in this thread was, I believe a lot of the hate attributed to Barca, not by everybody of course as Barca are despicable in their own right but quite a few on here is because Ronaldo moved to Spain. It's why in my opinion certain posters show bias to Real, shout hala madrid and want them to win etc.
For me it's no coinscidence that many of the most vocal haters of Barca on here.......................just happen to be huge fans of Ronaldo. From Lailiani to whoever. I remember being attacked by one poster pre season for suggesting Real are still behind Barca during the supa copa.
Pretty innocuous comment, but the personal attacks had to do with the lad being a huge Ronnie fan.
and like I said, it's very understandable. When Beckham moved to Real quite a few United fans started liking Real and wanted Becks to win with them. It's no different with Ronaldo, it's just people are too ashamed to admit that this is the case but there you go! There's nothing to be ashamed of.
You see Pogue likes to beat around the bush with this point, I just go in and say it.....it's obvious!
Maybe I am tripping! are we not talking about Ronaldo? Just as Suarez is the biggest diver in the prem now, Ronaldo was when he was in England. What's the difference? The baton has just been passed on. Are you going to tell me Suarez is a bigger diver than Ronaldo ever was?