He's guilty...unless 'negro' is a term of endearment. I suspect it's not.
I hope he's sent to the gallows...he's a fecking despicable human being.
We both know it.
And you're still a wanker.
Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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He's guilty...unless 'negro' is a term of endearment. I suspect it's not.
I hope he's sent to the gallows...he's a fecking despicable human being.
We both know it.
And you're still a wanker.
"They are expected to point out that Suárez made a video in South African townships during the 2010 World Cup called “From the Streets to the Fields”. He hails football’s “tremendous power of joining people, without any skin, religion and social discrimination”.
It looks exactly that - it's Liverpool's defense. And you have to keep that in mind when you read the article, that this is not a neuteral view of the incident, but more like Liverpool's side.
What time is the verdict tomorrow, does anyone know? I think he'll be found guilty, they may just be working out what severity of punishment he gets.
Also, that bit about Evra saying to the ref "Is it because I'm black". Is that something Winter made up? That's a pretty serious accusation the FA won't be able to ignore as its basically libel against the ref now. Separate issue to Suarez though so maybe for another thread.
Also, that bit about Evra saying to the ref "Is it because I'm black". Is that something Winter made up? That's a pretty serious accusation the FA won't be able to ignore as its basically libel against the ref now. Separate issue to Suarez though so maybe for another thread.
Libel against the ref? 
Brilliant. How often do you think that happens in any game of football?
Brilliant. How often do you think that happens in any game of football?
Libel against the ref?
Brilliant. How often do you think that happens in any game of football?
Zero.
But you know that bitter manager of LFC will pursue any crumb of comfort to get one over Sir Alex Ferguson.
It's not a matter for the FA at all, if the referee wants to pursue an accusation of libel he should do so through the courts. The FA can't act as he obviously saw and knew about the incident.
With the risk of repeating myself I don't understand Dalglish and Liverspool's stance in this. Make's no sense. They have cornered themselves in to a lose and lose situation.
Let's say we accepts Suarez explanation. His intention wasn't to be racial and his using of the word "negro/negrito" wasn't meant to abuse Evra.
I understand that after a tense game it isn't so easy to do the right things. Off course both Dalglish and Suarez had the possibility to offer Evra and apology, face to face, or just explain that his intension wasn't racial abuse. Maybe not the easiest route to go but I'm quite sure that Evra, after a little thoughts, would accept the apologize. A smart manager like Dalglish could end the story right here if he used this opportunity. Win and win.
Another route for Liverpool to take would be to after a few day's release a official statement where they explain Suarez intentions, made their view clear regarding racial abuse and what his club stands for, and finally offer Evra some sort of apologize. Another public win and win situation for Liverpool. Whatever the outcome would be of this they would have their back free.
Now they took the third route. Total backing of Suarez. Denials of every bit of the story. Counter attack and accusing Evra of using "the race card". Not the wisest move in the world. Not only do they rely on a others to decide the outcome who's right or wrong. They will face endless of speculations, badwill in the media and worst of all. A possibility to come out as liars and semi racists. And on top of that the club have put their reputation in one mans actions. Talk about guilty by association. Lose and lose situation of epic proportions.
Whatever the outcome will be they have nothing to win. The FA could clear Suarez but the public view will be no smoke without fire. It could be a half measure from the three man jury, quite possible. Suarez did use a racial word but no racist intention could be proved. No winners only losers.
United took the safe road and kept quite. Liverpool didn't and this will haunt them whenever a new incident blow up. Such a mess. Every sensible and wise person who are misunderstood, especially if it's racial abuse involved, will directly apologize to clear the air. Take five seconds. Liverpool had up till today to understands this, still they don't get it and they continue to ignore that who's right or wrong is secondary, probably irrelevant.
Stupid is what stupid does.
Let's say we accepts Suarez explanation. His intention wasn't to be racial and his using of the word "negro/negrito" wasn't meant to abuse Evra.
I understand that after a tense game it isn't so easy to do the right things. Off course both Dalglish and Suarez had the possibility to offer Evra and apology, face to face, or just explain that his intension wasn't racial abuse. Maybe not the easiest route to go but I'm quite sure that Evra, after a little thoughts, would accept the apologize. A smart manager like Dalglish could end the story right here if he used this opportunity. Win and win.
Another route for Liverpool to take would be to after a few day's release a official statement where they explain Suarez intentions, made their view clear regarding racial abuse and what his club stands for, and finally offer Evra some sort of apologize. Another public win and win situation for Liverpool. Whatever the outcome would be of this they would have their back free.
Now they took the third route. Total backing of Suarez. Denials of every bit of the story. Counter attack and accusing Evra of using "the race card". Not the wisest move in the world. Not only do they rely on a others to decide the outcome who's right or wrong. They will face endless of speculations, badwill in the media and worst of all. A possibility to come out as liars and semi racists. And on top of that the club have put their reputation in one mans actions. Talk about guilty by association. Lose and lose situation of epic proportions.
Whatever the outcome will be they have nothing to win. The FA could clear Suarez but the public view will be no smoke without fire. It could be a half measure from the three man jury, quite possible. Suarez did use a racial word but no racist intention could be proved. No winners only losers.
United took the safe road and kept quite. Liverpool didn't and this will haunt them whenever a new incident blow up. Such a mess. Every sensible and wise person who are misunderstood, especially if it's racial abuse involved, will directly apologize to clear the air. Take five seconds. Liverpool had up till today to understands this, still they don't get it and they continue to ignore that who's right or wrong is secondary, probably irrelevant.
Stupid is what stupid does.
He can't pursue him for libel over a fecking conversation!
Probably not, and he certainly won't, it's irrelevant to the FA's enquiry into Suarez in any case.
People need to stop using and confusing libel/slander as they clearly have zero concept of the terms.
When you say "people" you actually mean Dumbstar and, believe me, he regularly gets confused over much simpler concepts than that.
Very good post. Thats what The Telegraph SHOULD HAVE printed today.
Suarez's defense is along the lines of "well I didnt mean to rob that bank. I didn't realize it was a crime, in my country we do it all the time".
If he used the n-word he should be punished.
If he used the n-word he should be punished.
great post.You'd make a good PR
Thanks.
We can support whoever we will but in some case's human value's are who we are and what we stands for. Liverpool is also a fantastic club with a great history. There is no reason to believe that their value's are so much different to ours. That's why I find their stance so strange.
You know, there are areas of Argentina with 'white' looking guys named 'Heinze' and other German names, where Nazi war criminals hide out. You can say 'negro' all you want there.
/defense
/defense
"“Don’t touch me, you South American,’’ Evra is alleged to have said." That's absurd.
Anyway, what's going on with the Anton vs Terry case? It always seemed more clear cut, but I haven't heard anything about it for a good while now.
That 'article', and I don't think I've ever used the term so loosely, is appalling.
This whole ordeal reminds me of the 'Niggerguy' South Park episode. Mostly the arguments between Token and Stan.
Suarez will be shocked when he has public sex in Saudi Arabia.
Luis Suárez racism hearing: reputations at stake as panel attempt to unravel most complicated of cases - Telegraph
I just read the Henry Winter article (same as posted earlier). It ends up sounding like a defence for the accused.
I know Henry Winter ghost-wrote the autobiographies of Kenny Dalglish, John Barnes and Steven Gerrard but that doesn't mean he should let LFC write his Telegraph column in return LOL
I just read the Henry Winter article (same as posted earlier). It ends up sounding like a defence for the accused.
I know Henry Winter ghost-wrote the autobiographies of Kenny Dalglish, John Barnes and Steven Gerrard but that doesn't mean he should let LFC write his Telegraph column in return LOL
Winter writes: "In defending Suárez, Liverpool are expected to mention the incident between Evra and Chelsea’s groundstaff in 2008 which culminated in an FA hearing which concluded that “we find Mr Evra’s account exaggerated and unreliable”." Nothing about Evra wrongly accusing anyone of racism.
Winter's conclusion is mental. In essence, is that FA ought to be reluctant to find Suarez guilty because if they do they will tarnish LFC's reputation.
Henry Winter should stick to writing fecking rubbish overly florid match reports.
I normally consider Winter to be, if anything, a United admirer. In this case, I'd question the 'impartiality' of his sources because much of that article reads like it's been 'fed' to him.
What do you guys think the punishment will be?
1) 6+ game ban for Suarez and a fine for Suarez and Liverpool
2) 2+ game ( but not more than 3) ban and fine for Suarez and no fine for Liverpool
3) No punishment for Suarez, but a heavy warning (maybe a suspended ban) for the player
4) No punishment for Suarez due to inconclusive evidence
5) No punishment for Suarez but a 4 game ban for Evra
Or Eboue?
1) 6+ game ban for Suarez and a fine for Suarez and Liverpool
2) 2+ game ( but not more than 3) ban and fine for Suarez and no fine for Liverpool
3) No punishment for Suarez, but a heavy warning (maybe a suspended ban) for the player
4) No punishment for Suarez due to inconclusive evidence
5) No punishment for Suarez but a 4 game ban for Evra
Or Eboue?
1)
I reckon a four game ban with two suspended for Suarez, plus a fine. It'd mean that he'd miss Villa away and Wigan away, unless the ban was appealed in which case it's likely they'd add another game for frivolous appeal unless they had new evidence.
I'm not sure how it would work re a suspended ban in light of him being charged over the Fulham incident - would a ban for that gesture automatically mean that any suspended ban here would be triggered? If so, they'll probably not suspend any part of the ban so that it'll look tougher on the racism issue.
As far as I'm aware, Liverpool haven't been charged with anything here so can't be fined for anything.
I'm not sure how it would work re a suspended ban in light of him being charged over the Fulham incident - would a ban for that gesture automatically mean that any suspended ban here would be triggered? If so, they'll probably not suspend any part of the ban so that it'll look tougher on the racism issue.
As far as I'm aware, Liverpool haven't been charged with anything here so can't be fined for anything.
It's difficult to understand just what in the feck is going on.
But with these sudden lines of "don't touch me south american" and "you're booking me because im black" it seems to me that Liverpool will be attempting to assassinate the character of Evra and will probably rely on the false claims of previous.
Because it doesn't make any sense as to what the feck has been going on for the last two months otherwise.
But with these sudden lines of "don't touch me south american" and "you're booking me because im black" it seems to me that Liverpool will be attempting to assassinate the character of Evra and will probably rely on the false claims of previous.
Because it doesn't make any sense as to what the feck has been going on for the last two months otherwise.
Nah he trys his best to come off impartial but Winters known for his liverpool connections, he ghost wrote dalgleishs, barnes and gerrards autobiographies!
Winter writes: "In defending Suárez, Liverpool are expected to mention the incident between Evra and Chelsea’s groundstaff in 2008 which culminated in an FA hearing which concluded that “we find Mr Evra’s account exaggerated and unreliable”." Nothing about Evra wrongly accusing anyone of racism.
Winter's conclusion is mental. In essence, is that FA ought to be reluctant to find Suarez guilty because if they do they will tarnish LFC's reputation.
It's what he leaves out that speaks volumes about his bias. The FA investigation noted that Evra specifically stated he could not support any accusation of racism, as he had not heard any racist language. If he's going to insist on mentioning Evra's past controversies (note that he ignores Suarez' chequered past) the least he can do is include the most pertinent facts.
Today the interesting part is if the clubs have any media strategy after the verdict. This is just not only a case between Suarez and Evra, there are also lots of other aspects on stake. Both clubs have a world wide fane base, is supported by all kinds of ethnical people with different backgrounds. This reflects why the clubs have a broad wide of multi national sponsors with customers from all over the world.
To be associated with any form of racism, direct or indirect could easily damage reputation, relations, goodwill and future incomes and results. As a side note it can also damage future transfers. That's why I find Liverpool's strategy naive and involving a bit of amateurism.
Every respected media consult would recommend, as first step after the verdict, a little bit of damage control. Especially Liverpool who have everything to lose if the verdict goes against Suarez. Btw. This goes for the FA to if the verdict is unclear or without consequence's. Another thing would be to approach eventual critical reports regarding their weird stance in this issue. Sometimes I gets the feeling that they don't understand the relevance of this subject, it's a little bit of rude awakening when the storm starts to blow over their heads.
Finally I hope both clubs learns something from this saga. Recruit more staff on key positions with different ethnical and genus background. Make a handling plan how to approach ethical and moral problems. Establish a public club code regarding all sorts of value's, not only sport relating things.
Whatever the verdict will be I find this incident as a proof of some public key persons ignorance and incompetence. We are enter year 2012 but in some quarters the coin still hasn't drop. The naive approach we witness from some involved is a little entertaining, but also shocking, but unfortunately not unexpected.
To be associated with any form of racism, direct or indirect could easily damage reputation, relations, goodwill and future incomes and results. As a side note it can also damage future transfers. That's why I find Liverpool's strategy naive and involving a bit of amateurism.
Every respected media consult would recommend, as first step after the verdict, a little bit of damage control. Especially Liverpool who have everything to lose if the verdict goes against Suarez. Btw. This goes for the FA to if the verdict is unclear or without consequence's. Another thing would be to approach eventual critical reports regarding their weird stance in this issue. Sometimes I gets the feeling that they don't understand the relevance of this subject, it's a little bit of rude awakening when the storm starts to blow over their heads.
Finally I hope both clubs learns something from this saga. Recruit more staff on key positions with different ethnical and genus background. Make a handling plan how to approach ethical and moral problems. Establish a public club code regarding all sorts of value's, not only sport relating things.
Whatever the verdict will be I find this incident as a proof of some public key persons ignorance and incompetence. We are enter year 2012 but in some quarters the coin still hasn't drop. The naive approach we witness from some involved is a little entertaining, but also shocking, but unfortunately not unexpected.
Christ, you really are a PR man, making up your own words and such
Aside from that, I think you're pretty much spot on with your post.
Christ, you really are a PR man, making up your own words and such
ethnical - definition of ethnical by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Well I'll be damned.
It does look that this is what they are trying to do, as a big part of the whole this is 'he said, he said'. They accepted Suarez said that once and are trying to explain it, but Evra claims he said it ten times.
The fact Winter had brought these 'quotes' from Evra without claiming what the source is - the referee report? Liverpool's claims? - is terrible journalism. I'm surprised about that.
Is there a timescale on the verdict for this?
I think it was the Guardian or the Telegraph that said it was expected today, these hearings normally only last a few days.
nail meets head....