Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

Not surprised with the ban...very surprised with Liverpools reaction...I would have thought considering the sensitivity of the subject that they would have just accepted it.

Lost a lot of respect for the club.
 
Another journalist reacts to the verdict:

OllieHoltMirror Oliver Holt
I have nothing but respect for LFC as a club and I think Suarez is a fantastic player but I totally support the FA's decision
18 minutes ago

OllieHoltMirror Oliver Holt
No good condemning racist language in abstract if we are not prepared to act when confronted by the reality of it.
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OllieHoltMirror Oliver Holt
Understand feelings of LFC fans but this is bigger than allegiance to a club. It's about statement that racist language not acceptable here
38 minutes ago
 
KM said:
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Suarez should let it go.
 
NewDawnFades said:
This outcome was inevitable from the minute Kenny Dalglish asked for Evra to be held accountable for his accusations. Agree though, with their great history and tradition Liverpool were previously a club I had much more respect for than either of the oil clubs. Dalglish has disappointed me the most though, I thought he and Fergie were on good terms.
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although I have no love for them, I have always respected their two managers...Shankly and Paisley...just because of their passion for the game.

this must be terribly hurting to proper fans who have followed the club over the years.


...an object leasson in how to destroy a club's history overnight.
 
sammsky1 said:
Seriously, they could end up alienating themselves from the rest of the Premiership if they don't sort their act out
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Well, that'll make it easier for their Chief Executive to sell Liverpool's games exclusively to tv companies abroad. ;)
 
"It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations."

ignoring the fact that its known Evra has not actually made prior allegations how can you possibly say this players accusation is not credible when your defense is based on the interpretation of the term negrito. I mean they admit he actually said it right? to a black man? who then made a complaint. how is his complaint not credible? what a shower of arseholes
 
Will be interesting to see how their fans react next time we meet. I suspect it'll make LFC look even classier.
 
The only logical conclusion is that the LFC press officer is a RAWK poster.

Sounds like a bitter rant from a 12 year old.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
No, only by racists and folk still living in the 70s. Societies evolve...the people who think like that(re cry babies comment) are stuck in the past.

Do you think he's a cry baby?
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No, I think he is a hot head and I suspect from what I've seen of him not a stranger to wind-ups and heated discussions on the pitch.

I.e, I don't think Suarez was the only guilty party in what was going on in that game.
 
"negro" in Portuguese is not racism and when I lived in Portugal we would not use the word "preto" - <black> in front of black people but the word "negro", but that guy's Hispanic and on top of that he plays for pool so...:lol::lol::lol:
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
Liverpool've been ill advised. They should've asked Suarez to clear the air with Evra, and admit publically he used the term and that he was displeased with himself for losing control in the heat of the moment. They've basically screwed this up good and proper...and consquently made themselves look like an amatuer organisation. But yeah...the fact that the commision found him guilty should lead everyone to believe the evidence was compelling....however, I suspect had he been from this country...the punishment would've been harsher.
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Completely agree.

If they really wanted to rebel against the FA, a simple:

" We are dissapointed with the decision and will continue to support Luis" type of short statement would have sufficed and it would have given them time to think properly about their actions.

I'm confident Kenny wrote that crap. It sounds bitter.

They've opened a can of worms with that statement it's just going to carry on putting more pressure on them from the media and the fa.

After that I hope Fergie doesn't bother with them. It really isn't worth getting into a slanging match with the scousers. Same when Rafa had his facht rant. I can't remember what Fergie said but I'm pretty sure it was hardly more than a couple of sentences and he knew he won that battle.
 
Piara Powar, executive director of Football Against Racism in Europe (Fare), believes the governing body's decision is a landmark judgement.


He told BBC Radio 5 live: "This is the first time we seen an insight in to what is said between players on the pitch, and what may have been commonplace between players in the past.

"This is a big moment and I would say that FA have dealt with this in the right way. They have taken their time and taken independent advice.

"No one takes any pleasure from seeing him found guilty like this but it is an interesting judgement."

Powar said Kick It Out has taken advice on the abusive word used by Suarez and the context of similar words in South American dialect.

He added: "If it is used in a friendly fashion then it is acceptable, it turns immediately to a hostile meaning if it used as an offensive word.

"Taking the context of that game, it is difficult to see how he would have used it in a friendly way."
 
Lacking in numbers for a while, we can now expect Liverpool to make a perfectly reasonable £30 million bid for Grant Holt in January.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
Bloke on Liverpool's website created some rumours...all proven to be bollocks, yet LFC seem to keep peddling them. Makes them look cheap. Class eh? Evra can sue. I think he should.
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Liverpool's official website? :confused:

And nothing in it?

If that's the case, I don't think he should sue. He should make a press release with the facts documented, and then let it be.
 
Where the lies come from:

In the 2006 case of claimed racial abuse by Steve Finnan, the accusation was levelled at Finnan by a deaf fan who claimed he lip-read the racial slur. Evra declined to complain. A rather odd thing to do for a man with a supposed inclination to play the race card, I’m sure you’ll agree.
In the case with involving Chelsea groundsman, Tony Bethell, it was Mike Phelan and Richard Hartis of Manchester United’s coaching staff who claimed they heard the abuse. As the FA report says “The two witnesses who say they heard those words directed by Mr Bethell at Mr Evra are the Manchester United first team coach Mr Mike Phelan and the goalkeeping coach Mr Richard Hartis.” It later goes on to say “Even if we disregard the fact that Mr Evra has never claimed to have heard such a remark on that day, it is notable that there were several other people far nearer to Mr Bethell at the critical point in time than were either Mr Phelan or Mr Hartis.”
So in reality, Evra accused neither Finnan nor Bethell of a racist remark. The claims were made by others. These are the cold, hard facts.
 
8 Matches is about the Maximum I would have expected them to give him.

Surely now if they have found him guilty of racism, they have found him guilty of a criminal offence and the next step should be to pass the evidence over to the police? Since when has a Football Ban been the punishment for a criminal offence?

In the words of Sports Minister Hugh Robertson:

"Racism is a criminal offence in this country and anybody who is caught will face criminal sanctions. What Sepp Blatter has said, in this country, is just completely wrong as well as morally indefensible."
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CnutOfAllCnuts said:
No, I think he is a hot head and I suspect from what I've seen of him not a stranger to wind-ups and heated discussions on the pitch.

I.e, I don't think Suarez was the only guilty party in what was going on in that game.
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God you've got a weird view on this. If giving each other some shit makes them "guilty" then every player ever to play football, apart form Gary Lineker, is guilty. It's irrelevant.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
No, I think he is a hot head and I suspect from what I've seen of him not a stranger to wind-ups and heated discussions on the pitch.

I.e, I don't think Suarez was the only guilty party in what was going on in that game.
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An independent commision found him guilty of using racist language. I suspect it was compelling evidence. Saying he deserved it...is similar to lawyers defending rapists using 'the woman deserved to be raped for wearing provocative clothing' as a defence.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
No, I think he is a hot head and I suspect from what I've seen of him not a stranger to wind-ups and heated discussions on the pitch.

I.e, I don't think Suarez was the only guilty party in what was going on in that game.
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Wind-ups and heated discussions are in an entirely different bracket from racist abuse and for good reason.

Not the only guilty party in what way, do you believe he was provoked into making racist comments?
 
Sir A1ex said:
God you've got a weird view on this. If giving each other some shit makes them "guilty" then every player ever to play football, apart form Gary Lineker, is guilty. It's irrelevant.
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It's irrelevant in terms of what Suarez has been found guilty for.

But if people think Evra is a saint, I think they are wrong.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
An independent commision found him guilty of using racist language. I suspect it was compelling evidence. Saying he deserved it...is similar to lawyers defending rapists using 'the woman deserved to be raped for wearing provocative clothing' as a defence.
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No, not comparable whatsoever.

I am not saying that Evra deserved it and that Suarez should be excused because of whatever Evra did or say, I am just saying that Evra in the public eye will not come out of this squeeky clean either.
 
Glad for Evra. He deserved it.

Who cares what the deluded scouse cretins think anyway. They, as always, feel the victims, even if it's clearly their fault. It's beyond team loyalty. Pathetic club, pathetic fans.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
It's irrelevant in terms of what Suarez has been found guilty for.

But if people think Evra is a saint, I think they are wrong.
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I don't think Evra is guilty of acting any different to how every single other footballer out there acts. Within the moral etiquette of the game. Suarez on the other hand stepped way away from that etiquette and has been punished for it. I honestly can't believe what a warped view you have on this.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
It's irrelevant in terms of what Suarez has been found guilty for.

But if people think Evra is a saint, I think they are wrong.
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Think? what does it matter what people think? the truth is one person's been found guilty of racially abusing a footballer - whether you think Evra's some sort of wind up mastermind has nothing whatsoever to do with anything. Sounds like...well he deserved it because he's probably a bit of a cnut....based on nothing other than me not liking his awful chin beard that he seems to be have issues with growing properly.
 
NewDawnFades said:
Wind-ups and heated discussions are in an entirely different bracket from racist abuse and for good reason.

Not the only guilty party in what way, do you believe he was provoked into making racist comments?
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Not the only guilty part in terms of using abusive language.
 
sure, Evra is not a saint, but the fact is that the other side are using the Chelsea and Fulham incidents as some kind of proof that he makes these things up. Someone needs to, as Rafa would say, "check the fachts"

Evra can hold his head up, Suarez and Liverpool should on the other hand be mighty embarrassed tonight.They really should digest the findings before making further comment
 
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