Evra should bring a case against LFC for defamation of character.
Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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I don't blame Liverpool fans for their reaction. They're taking their cue from the club they support. Hard not to get riled up and all siege mentality like when the club puts out such a loaded, "we're the victim" statement. Blame lies solely on the irresponsible statement put out.
I couldn't find a direct quote from Suarez but here's his countryman Gus Poyet defending him, which would mean that there was an admission somewhere along the line. As far as Terry and the Police investigation goes, I'm puzzled by it as well. As Pexbo said last night, this is a criminal case and should be treated as such.
Quite. They will have had high profile barristers checking out every possible scenario.
The Terry incident was also reported to the police by a member of the public. The Evra incident was not.
What are these other incidents Evra was reportedly involved in?
There was the Chelsea one at Stamford Bridge, but it was Mike Phelan that reported that iirc.
There was the Chelsea one at Stamford Bridge, but it was Mike Phelan that reported that iirc.
I doubt Suarez is going to try and wind any other black player up by calling them a "negrito" so job done by the FA I'd say. Now just throw the book at Terry and that should do plenty to stop other players trying similar shit in the future.
They way they've dealt with this is a fecking embarrassment. I still can't believe how laughable the official statement is. Mockney's post on it is brilliant.
I've never liked Dalglish but had a deal of respect for him for what he's done in his career but he's come out of this looking a complete twat. The club have let themselves down massively with this whole thing.
Oh, and can someone just ban redman, the cnut.
Why don't you blame them? Surely they can see that racism isn't acceptable, no matter what shite the club issue on a statement?
I doubt LFC's American owners are happy... How can they be? see that's what I can't quite fathom, did they let Kenny shoot his mouth off? and didn't they see Liverpool's ignominious statement? They look bad...not sure if it's even possible to repair the damage, but a bit of backtracking...then subsequently holding their hands up and giving Suarez a fine or something would be the way to go. Kenny did say whoever's found quilty should rightfully be punished or words close to that. Time for him prove his words weren't hollow.
Indeed. They've made it impossible to do a meaningful apology. They can't claim now that it was a heat of the moment slip into a way of speaking that wouldn't have caused offence in his own country. There's no attempt to say he was wrong, or that he's "learned his lesson" or that he'll never do it again. An appeal for mitigating circumstances and talk about anti-racism training might have given them a chance to argue the length of the ban.
As it is is, they've done Suarez no favours and if the FA backs down in any way now, it'll be seen as an act of weakness.
I'd say the main potential breach made by that statement is accusing Evra of bringing similar (false) accusations before. I'd say that Evra could pursue a personal compensatory claim for libel. Liverpool have made a statement that it could be argued would make a "reasonable man or right-thinking member of society" lower their estimation of Evra. I could see him being successful tbh. There are many reasonable people who would read an official club statement and take the word of it as absolute fact and by definition what they have said could and would lead to many thinking less of Evra (we have already seen many, many fans attempting to portrait Evra as a serial "boy-who-cried-wolf", this will hugely perpetuate the issue).
Liverpool could argue that they believed this to be true based on true "facts" published previously, but this wouldn't hold any water imo as even if it were the case, they were negligent in not researching the truth.
The only way they can backtrack on this is blame an internal guy for publishing the official statement on his own accord, and shift him/her. Something similar to what the CEO had tried at the Coms, before being sacked by the Mansour.
That wouldn't explain Daglish's stance throughout the affair. They have to hold their hands up...and admit to making a balls up.
'I think people and media can be forgiving to those who are looking for redemption' - Sultan.
That would make sense for them as their next step, but what would the implications be as far as their "saviours of LFC" reputation with the Liverpool fans is concerned? They'd be accused of bottling it, 'The Liverpool Way' will be referred to and some might go as far as saying they've sold the soul of the club.
They wont backtrack.
They'll have to appeal and insist innocence to the hilt. They've given themselves no choice with their behaviour throughout, which is daft as their defence is based on the reliability of Evra's testimony, and on whether what Suarez said was actually racist in context...both of these arguments cancel out the credibility of the other.
It's astonishing how thick people involved in football are.
They'll have to appeal and insist innocence to the hilt. They've given themselves no choice with their behaviour throughout, which is daft as their defence is based on the reliability of Evra's testimony, and on whether what Suarez said was actually racist in context...both of these arguments cancel out the credibility of the other.
It's astonishing how thick people involved in football are.
They don't exist.
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Makes it all the more annoying that I've just heard Steve Staunton on the radio shouting his mouth off stating that Evra has a 'chequered past'.
I'm actually annoyed more by Liverpool and it's fans reactions to this than what Suarez said in the first place. We expect Suarez to be a cnut and he had reason to try and wind Evra up, I find the views of Liverpool FC and it's many fans to be utterly shameful and irresponsible.
They'd done damage to their reputation with this as it's seemingly not just us United fans that find this deplorable.
They'd done damage to their reputation with this as it's seemingly not just us United fans that find this deplorable.
Amazed so far by the lack of direct criticism of Liverpool's approach. Particularly so, given how we got slammed for our handling of the Rio incident which was far less inflammatory.
Some Liverpool fan on Facebook:
Terry did exactly the same thing! Not that Suarez did anything at all!
Lets get ranting. F.A, lets hope u carry on your strict anti racism bollocks by banning that prick terry for the same time. and evra, lets describe u u ******* ***** ****** ****, how dont u **** off **** ** **** *** ******* and die quietly. fill in the missings as u see fit.
A scousers reply:
Very True, Terry Did exactly the same thing..not that suarez did anything at all
Terry did exactly the same thing! Not that Suarez did anything at all!
Yep. Surprised no one in the press has taken up Liverpool on their statement.
'anti racism bollocks', brilliant. Then wishing death on Evra, they're a classy bunch.
And there's the Finnan case, where the accusations came from some supporters in the stadium. Evra even stated never hearing the alledged racial abuse.
and besides, I've got it on good authority that Suarez qualified his remarks with "I'm not a racist but...", which as we all know makes everything ok.
Haven't 'the guy' and your club admitted Suarez said what Evra claimed and only disputed the intention?
I don't think it's been a Liverpool vs Utd thing at all, well not from our side anyway, Utd haven't said much bar Evra feeling he had to make a complaint and that the club would support him. Your club on the otherhand have been and continue to be a bit of an embarrassment.
As Boris Johnson once so elegantly put it, Liverpool is a self-pity city.
liverpools statement shows the club up as a vile, bitter and self obsessed pack of hypocrites.
disgusting from them, though expected no better or less.
disgusting from them, though expected no better or less.
Sepp Blatter might have been on to something. Maybe they should have shook hands because Liverpool and their fans now seem intent on turning this into a war. It won't end well when they see us as the enemy. I agree with those who say they wouldn't have reacted like this if it had been a player from any other club.
Oh well, there's nothing we, the FA or anyone else can do in the face of such stupidity. They just have to be left to get on with shaming themselves. Nothing's gonna change the fact that Suarez has admitted to what the FA has found him guilty of.
Oh well, there's nothing we, the FA or anyone else can do in the face of such stupidity. They just have to be left to get on with shaming themselves. Nothing's gonna change the fact that Suarez has admitted to what the FA has found him guilty of.
From the Telegraph today.
That our BG?
It wasnt that. Some deaf dude said he lipread Finnan on the TV.
Evra dismissed this immediately, like everyone else did apart from the scousers
Evra dismissed this immediately, like everyone else did apart from the scousers
Didn't OUR CLUB, the players OWN CLUB ban him instantly for NINE months?
Good comparison nobby!
I can't help but feel Liverpool or Dalglish should be punished in some way, as a clear message that riling people up like this is dangerous. As a public figure he's held to a higher standard, because of the influence, just like Rooney swearing.
If the FA want to preempt and negative effect of Liverpool's actions, they need to make a clear statement that their approach here was not okay.
Dalglish put himself in a difficult position when he immediately backed Suarez. He has continually tried to defend his man and put pressure on Evra's credibility and it's reached the point where he has the club and the fans towing the same line.
Dalglish has dragged both his own and the clubs reputation down, and unfortunately, I can't see either Dalglish or the club backing down because they've gone too far.
It's a sad situation!
Dalglish has dragged both his own and the clubs reputation down, and unfortunately, I can't see either Dalglish or the club backing down because they've gone too far.
It's a sad situation!
No wonder the likes of Benetiz and Queen Kenny get you lot under the thumb so easily. You're all thick as shit!
Racists too going by the fine display you've all made of yourselves.
Daniel Taylor from the Guardian last night said he had unequivocal information that the epithet used by Suarez was 'negro', not 'negrito', for whoever was arguing the point with a scouser
i hope terry is found innocent today. it would take this, into epic overdrive proportions.