Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

It seriously reads as though it was written by a riled up fan.
 
In the middle of a debate with a Liverpool fan, can someone help me out on the following points:

1. Trying to find quotes from Suarez where he admits to using the word negro/negarito. All I can find are the "I called him something all his team mates call him" quotes, but no direct reference to negro/negarito. Has his admission only come from sources and journos? Any official source confirming his admission?

2. Why hasn't there been a police investigation, a la Terry, in this case?
 
Liverpool fc : Evra's accusations LFC are not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations. So Evra must be wrong.

Liverpool fc : But Evra himself says Suarez is not racist. So Evra must be right.

Decide first, you dumb cnuts
 
Mockney is right about the irresponsible and potentially dangerous nature of the statement as regards the sections aimed at Evra, the Liverpool hordes already had their pitchforks out and now the club has officially endorsed their voices and lit the pitchforks.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Liverpool fc : Evra's accusations LFC are not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations. So Evra must be wrong.

Liverpool fc : But Evra himself says Suarez is not racist. So Evra must be right.

Decide first, you dumb cnuts
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Don't understand the scouse logic here. Apparently Evra is a liar who shouldn't be trusted at all because of his previous unfounded allegations. So Evra's statement about Suarez not being a racist must be a lie too, because, well, Evra apparently is not credible at all. So that means that Suarez must be a racist, because Evra's word can't be trusted. :wenger: Either way, LFC are not helping their case.
 
Raoul said:
:lol: Liverpool.
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They're going to have to start slowly weaseling their way out of this. First step would be Daglish showing some humility and class when he's asked about this. Next would be the player himself. I suspect all this will happen if they are unsuccessful with their appeal. Until then its just more posturing to try and gain an edge with the appeal.
 
peterstorey said:
They can't do either of those things and have made what was an embarrassing episode a complete corporate clusterfeck.
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Liverpool's statement strongly suggests Suarez hasn't admitted to using whatever derivative of the word he's accused of; otherwise why does it matter whether anyone other than Evra heard it? In fact I'd say their comments re Evra are pretty appalling if Suarez does accept he said what is alleged.

But every piece of press in the last few months has reported that his defence is that of a cultural misunderstanding. Perhaps the official findings of the commission will shed some light on it.
 
ruddevil said:
Good precedent, this. Firestarter should be and must be punished heavily.

Kenny, you're a legend yet you're a sore loser. Just accept the fact, the only fact, that Suarez was the one to incite this. Any man, including you I believe, would not take being taunted without retaliating. Especially if you're taunted a dozen times in such a short span of your life.

Just get on with it, Kenny. Let Suarez walk alone, otherwise everyone would be a racist as him.
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not long ago I would of agreed with you , but his action over this have tainted everything he has ever done IMHO.
To defend a racist they way he has done is wrong and to be honest shows a flaw in him that is just wrong.

Kenny should of told Liverpool to suspended Suarez has soon as the allegations were raised , pending the outcome of the hearing.
Now that he has been found guilty he should be sacked.
That's what would happen to anybody on here found guilty of the same offence.
But clearly they are not going to do the right thing , but defend him to the hilt.

If it was a United player and found guilty , I would not want him to play for the club again , no matter who that player was.
 
Edmeiste said:
Probably not. I've heard a lot of talk now that if the coin was flipped, we'd be doing the same thing. That's easy to say but how much of that is true, I dont know. I sincerely doubt the club would submit a statement like that. I'm not trying to make it a MUFC v LFC thing but we're better than that and I dont think we would stoop to such a level.
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But this has been an MUFC v LFC thing right from the outset. The racism aspect has simply been a mere by-product of our hatred/rivalry. A stick to use in our ongoing, long-running, feud.

I seriously doubt that if Luis Suarez had still been an Ajax player, & had the same altercation with Evra during a United v Ajax match, we'd have seen, or heard, your man claiming he was racially abused - Someone alluded to this point earlier on in the thread. But Evra was being 'arsey' well before the Suarez incident. He even got stroppy at losing the toss prior to the kick-off. So all this stuff about our guy winding up Evra is absolute bollocks.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
not long ago I would of agreed with you , but his action over this have tainted everything he has ever done IMHO.
To defend a racist they way he has done is wrong and to be honest shows a flaw in him that is just wrong.

Kenny should of told Liverpool to suspended Suarez has soon as the allegations were raised , pending the outcome of the hearing.
Now that he has been found guilty he should be sacked.
That's what would happen to anybody on here found guilty of the same offence.
But clearly they are not going to do the right thing , but defend him to the hilt.

If it was a United player and found guilty , I would not want him to play for the club again , no matter who that player was.
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But you were quite happy to support Cantona for attacking an opposition supporter.

Oh do feck off with your moral superiority complex. If the shoe was on the other foot you'd be backing your man to the hilt on this one.
 
redman5 said:
But this has been an MUFC v LFC thing right from the outset. The racism aspect has simply been a mere by-product of our hatred/rivalry. A stick to use in our ongoing, long-running, feud.
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I dont agree.

By all accounts its Evra that has pursued this, not United.

redman5 said:
I seriously doubt that if Luis Suarez had still been an Ajax player, & had the same altercation with Evra during a United v Ajax match, we'd have seen, or heard, your man claiming he was racially abused - Someone alluded to this point earlier on in the thread. But Evra was being 'arsey' well before the Suarez incident. He even got stroppy at losing the toss prior to the kick-off. So all this stuff about our guy winding up Evra is absolute bollocks.
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Had Suarez been playing for any other Premier League club, Evra would have taken this to the FA.
 
redman5 said:
But you were quite happy to support Cantona for attacking an opposition supporter.

Oh do feck off with your moral superiority complex. If the shoe was on the other foot you'd be backing your man to the hilt on this one.
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Show me anybody on here that doesn't accept Cantona deserved a ban. However, what he did (kicking a bigot) was nowhere near as reprehensible as racism.
 
redman5 is having an absolute nightmare here! If Suarez still played for Ajax and racially abused Evra, Evra would have kept his mout shut? feck right off you simple cnut.

You're actually defending what Suarez has said - that makes you just like him.

Re: Cantona kicking that Palace fan - of course we stood by him because that was another racist person insulting Eric and his mother. What a fecking prick you are.
 
redman5 said:
But this has been an MUFC v LFC thing right from the outset. The racism aspect has simply been a mere by-product of our hatred/rivalry. A stick to use in our ongoing, long-running, feud.

I seriously doubt that if Luis Suarez had still been an Ajax player, & had the same altercation with Evra during a United v Ajax match, we'd have seen, or heard, your man claiming he was racially abused - Someone alluded to this point earlier on in the thread. But Evra was being 'arsey' well before the Suarez incident. He even got stroppy at losing the toss prior to the kick-off. So all this stuff about our guy winding up Evra is absolute bollocks.
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This is the thing for me... If LFC and their supporters were saying "look, the guy made a mistake, we think the punishment is a bit too harsh, he's not actually a racist and he's learned a head lesson, we will support him going forwards" I could understand that.

But instead they are acting disgracefully.
 
redman5 said:
But you were quite happy to support Cantona for attacking an opposition supporter.

Oh do feck off with your moral superiority complex. If the shoe was on the other foot you'd be backing your man to the hilt on this one.
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shut it you dick head , did I mention anything about Cantona EVER.
Attacking a fan was wrong and he got what he deserved.
You dont know me and I can tell you now that you are wrong and NO I would not be backing him to the hilt , racist abuse is wrong and who ever is found guilty of it should be sacked on the spot.
Now feck off and peddle your racist supporting shit somewhere else.

I did actually think you was one of the better Liverpool fans , ho fecking wrong I was , you are no better than the idiots on RAWK
 
redman5 said:
But this has been an MUFC v LFC thing right from the outset. The racism aspect has simply been a mere by-product of our hatred/rivalry. A stick to use in our ongoing, long-running, feud.

I seriously doubt that if Luis Suarez had still been an Ajax player, & had the same altercation with Evra during a United v Ajax match, we'd have seen, or heard, your man claiming he was racially abused - Someone alluded to this point earlier on in the thread. But Evra was being 'arsey' well before the Suarez incident. He even got stroppy at losing the toss prior to the kick-off. So all this stuff about our guy winding up Evra is absolute bollocks.
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Congratulations, you're an idiot.
 
The collective kopite mental breakdown over this is a wonder to behold. I had someone on facebook last night claiming that Cantona should have been banned for life because he "almost killed a fan". fecking mentalists.
 
Mockney said:
Things that statement does wrong.

1. Refuses to accept or respect the decision of an independent inquiry. - This is the least of its crimes, and probably expected. Most Liverpool fans will see this as bullishly and passionately standing up for themselves. Most other clubs would've probably added at least a conciliatory "we respect this, but disagree" not to mention be at pains to defend a player found guilty of racist abuse a little less fervently & bit more diplomatically...If only for PRs sake...But it's a minor issue compared to what else it does wrong.

2. Ignoring the actual charge - Which was of using racially motivated/abusive language (in this case "negrito" or "negro") in one instance, which he's allegedly admitted, and instead mounted a long and rambling defence of the player via his background and history in an attempt to clear his name of a wider accusation. This is a bit like trying to fight a drink driving charge by saying you once took your mate's keys away when he was drunk. It's sort of not really relevant to the charge that's been brought.

3. Accusing Patrice Evra of making previous unfounded accusations - From a club issued statement, this is a massive clanger. Especially considering this myth was brought up and dispelled several times during the build up to this decision.

4. Insinuating Patrice Evra's statement is not to be trusted...And then using it to bolster the claim that Suarez is not a racist. Also again failing to acknowledge the actual charge against him in favor of the wider defence of his character.

5. Insinuating the blame of, and inciting a hatred of Patrice Evra amongst it's already riled fanbase - Attempting to villify the supposedly abused player in an attempt at a straw man argument based mainly on an incorrect promotion of previous allegations he hadn't made is a hugely irresponsible thing for a club to "officially" do. It also draws the line in the sand between the two clubs and it's fans. It's inflammatory at best, dangerous at worst.

6. Upholding the stereotype of Liverpool & it's fans - Whatever jokes you might make about scousers, it's always unfair to stereotype an entire section of people. The self pity city victim mentality image of Liverpool is really not helped by a club statement that complains everything is completely unfair and tries to blame it on someone else. Especially in such a delicate topic such as this.

7. Making diplomacy and damage limitation far harder - Bullishness may appeal to riled up fans, but practically makes the situation far harder for all concerned. It certainly leaves them open to looking very stupid if they don't get their way and they may even end up making his ban longer.

I'm sure there are more tbh...
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Do we have any lawyers on this board?

Given the FAs decision, how does the LFC statement further break the law?

Is there further action the FA could take for breaking any more of their rules?
 
Liverpool and the self pity thing...they're certainly living up to stereotypes. They had a great chance to come out of this with some credit but hilariously ballsed it up David Brent style. I can't decide whether it's funny or cringeworthy.
 
I still dont see why anyone can argue against this, other than possibly the size of the sentence?

I mean, at the end of the day, 3 independant people, including a QC, decided that there was enough evidence to decide that Suarez was guilty as charged. They have obviously heard or seen something that we are not privy too. They wouldn't commit to something that they couldn't stand over legally.
 
redman5 said:
But you were quite happy to support Cantona for attacking an opposition supporter.

Oh do feck off with your moral superiority complex. If the shoe was on the other foot you'd be backing your man to the hilt on this one.
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I don't think many would to be honest and it's not just a Liverpool/United thing either. Dalglish has really shot himself in the foot here. Fair enough you can support your player but the way Liverpool have gone about it really is shocking.

They simply should of refused to comment all along, I don't think I've heard Fergie or anyone at United mention it once since it was brought up originally and I don't even think Evra has. Any press conference Kenny Dalglish does he seems to somhow come to the defence of Suarez.

Whilst I don't agree with some reactions such as he should of been suspended immediatley (as that pretty much confirms his guilt) I seriously think the statement and how Kenny Dalglish has handled all this is really poorly done.

The simple fact is they've got someone who is charged with racism on their books. I don't expect him to be sacked or anything like that but the fact they come across as condoning the whole think and actually pitying Suarez is pretty shocking from a club of that size and reputation. They've actually seemingly gone for an attitude that people are picking on them (and that's something Dalglish has done all season with his them and us attitude towards refs etc) and questioned why Evra isn't banned for a couple of insulting words...isn't this the same club who's same manager told another (and one who is hugely respected) to "feck off" about 6 months ago and was caught on TV? Hardly a saint himself really. If you're banning people for harmless name calling then I imagine 22 players would be banned every game.

Finally that desperate attempt they do to make out he's not racist cos he knows black people is just a brilliant form of ignorance. Next they'll be defending Collymore for not beating up his wife years ago cos he's got a mum who's a woman.
 
To be honest, I'd be upset too I we were relying on Carroll to bring in the goals in the next 8 games.
 
redman5 said:
But you were quite happy to support Cantona for attacking an opposition supporter.

Oh do feck off with your moral superiority complex. If the shoe was on the other foot you'd be backing your man to the hilt on this one.
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Every United fan I know backed the club with its IMMEDIATE ban on Cantona for 4 months (announced within 16 hours of the event occurring). I don't remember one fan at all, or indeed any Manc publication thinking the ban was unfair or the club had done the wrong thing. In fact we were all rater proud our club had acted so swiftly and responsibly. Even when the FA then hit us hard with a tonne of bricks, whilst their was outrage at the severity of the FA charge, nobody tried to defend Cantona. And neither did the club issue such a provocative, irresponsible, utterly ridiculous and inflammatory statement spiced with lies as your club did yesterday.

Yes, we fans loved Cantona and supported him to come back to the side after he has served his time for his crime but no one defended him for his crime. (I was in my final year at Manchester University at the time and had a season ticket so remember every bit of it very vividly)

Just take a deep breathe, take a step away from the matter and look at this objectively .... as alot of United fans have done on this whole case since it stared.

Debate fact, not fantasy. If you can't, then you really are a blind, disingenuous fool. And if thats the case, I urge you to stop polluting this board with your bile and go join your mates on RAWK and don't come back - you're all a bunch of closet racists if you are still backing this gnome halfwit cheat from Uruguay.


Anyway Liverpool fans are only pissed off as he'll be at home for those 8 games which is 8 chances fewer for your 'fans' to rob his house.
 
redman5 said:
But this has been an MUFC v LFC thing right from the outset. The racism aspect has simply been a mere by-product of our hatred/rivalry. A stick to use in our ongoing, long-running, feud.

I seriously doubt that if Luis Suarez had still been an Ajax player, & had the same altercation with Evra during a United v Ajax match, we'd have seen, or heard, your man claiming he was racially abused - Someone alluded to this point earlier on in the thread. But Evra was being 'arsey' well before the Suarez incident. He even got stroppy at losing the toss prior to the kick-off. So all this stuff about our guy winding up Evra is absolute bollocks.
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redman5 said:
But you were quite happy to support Cantona for attacking an opposition supporter.

Oh do feck off with your moral superiority complex. If the shoe was on the other foot you'd be backing your man to the hilt on this one.
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I wanted to post a laughing smiley but I think he is being serious?

If so, I feel sorry for the deluded cnut
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
Liverpool and the self pity thing...they're certainly living up to their stereotype. They had a great chance to come out of this with some credit but hilariously ballsed it up David Brent style. I can't decide whether it's funny or cringeworthy.
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It was funny yesterday.

But this morning, I don't even thinks its cringeworthy ... I think its far more sinister.

Thousands of scousers now wound up to the hilt and intent on 'battle'. This could lead to the mother of all football related violence that we saw back in the 80s at our next fixtures and all around the most dangerous of subjects: race.

He may not realize (or maybe he does) but King Kenny has just become a pin up boy for the BNP & EDL .... I'd imagine every BNP & EDL office in the country will be using Liverpool's 'fighting spirit' as a tool of motivate its members into further inspired action at their next event. Maybe King Kenny see's a lucrative side income on the 'lecture circuit' inspiring this mob up and down the country?
 
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